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DA
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Posted: 11/29/2004 1:55:22 PM     Post subject: Living throwrugs.  

http://www.sheezyart.com/view/103063

Interested description...the wolves look like throw rugs gone wrong.
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Posted: 11/29/2004 2:28:57 PM     Post subject:  

ROFL!

Who's the troll? I love that guy! Telling it like it is, and look at all the freaks defending that guy's "art" / wolf fetish!
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Posted: 11/29/2004 2:48:40 PM     Post subject:  

No idea but I love how they're saying don't like it don't look at it, as the other person says, they don't like his comments then why are they reading them?
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Posted: 11/29/2004 2:54:08 PM     Post subject: Vunderba  

I've roamed this world for forty-one years
In grotesque human form
A thousand years my Wolf has howled
In twine a soul was torn

On another world this Wolf was slain
For his fur they took his life
A mate was stolen with loss of breath
A spirit drowned by strife

So deep.

People like him should be shot on sight. Sick fuckers. Also, I did a double take when I saw someone with the username 'pinkbananas'.. wtf.

It's too bad that they might never have the 'I'm so pathetic/What the hell am I doing' epiphany. I almost feel sorry for these freaks. Though I still wouldn't waste my spit on them.

More power to the 'troll'
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Posted: 11/29/2004 3:14:56 PM     Post subject:  

I love how "Snowolf," who has always appeared to be an alt account of Ebon's, proclaims himself to "nod sagely." Can you get any more pretentious than declaring yourself to be sagely?

Yes, the poetry is truly.. uhm.. well... there's no way to "sagely" put it, so I'll just say it sucks ass. Furry poetry has never really evolved beyond the high school angst stage, wherein the author pretty much writes something out as they would in a diary or on LiveJournal, but makes it all DEEP by breaking the sentences up with the key and sometimes tries to make it rhyme. If not, then it's just free verse. Anyone can make crap look deep and poetic with liberal use of the key. Take what I've just written, for example:

I love how "Snowolf,"
Who has always appeared
To be an alt account of Ebon's
Proclaims himself to "nod sagely."

Can you get any more pretentious
Than declaring yourself to be sagely?

Yes, the poetry is truly..
Uhm..
Well...
There's no way to "sagely" put it,
So I'll just say it sucks ass.

Furry poetry has never really evolved
Beyond the high school angst stage,
Wherein the author pretty much writes something out
As they would in a diary or on LiveJournal,
But makes it all DEEP by breaking the sentences up
With the key
And sometimes tries to make it rhyme.

If not, then it's just free verse.
Anyone can make crap look deep
And poetic
With liberal use of the key.

Take what I've just written,
For example.


Groovy, daddie-o.
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Posted: 11/29/2004 9:50:20 PM     Post subject:  

Brrr... *shivers* It's just like I said before on a topic addressing Pokémon porn.

That's what I hate about online communities for weird fetishes like that. People that have strange fetishes ("I love my dog in more than one way") go online, find a variety of people that love what they love and spout out a deluge of pornographic artwork. Then the people encourage each other. "Oh there's other people out there that like rubbing beanie babies on their gentitals, then it must be normal!" When anyone tries to say that the fetish is strange, or speak out for the objects in the fetish ("Your dog does not want to have sex with you") they immediately are silenced and derided by the community.


That guy was obviously trolling, up the the point where he was getting even abrasive for a person like me that thinks the artist that makes that kind of stuff should be shot into the sun. But geez, do the people that comment postiviely on these types of artwork really think about what they're viewing?

And of course, leave it for Pink (the girl that made herself a sexualized Care Bear character) to show up there and give a positive comment.
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Posted: 11/30/2004 12:16:04 AM     Post subject:  

Sublimesteve is an island of sanity in a sea of craziness. Meanwhile, about a dozen other people are commenting on how beautiful and detailed it is. Yecch. Then they make little actions like "wags" and "nuzzles warmly and murrs".

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but it still amazes me when so many people line up to declare a picture of wolves giving blowjobs beautiful.
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Posted: 11/30/2004 12:29:31 AM     Post subject:  

And of course, leave it for Pink (the girl that made herself a sexualized Care Bear character) to show up there and give a positive comment.

She's had more fanart done of her than anyone I can imagine, so you know she's good at telling other people how nice their art is. I doubt she even has to think when she does it anymore. If she did, she might understand Ebon not doing her fursona anytime in the near future (it's not quite his forte).

In the end, EbonLupus is one of the few people I'd seriously wish real life harm too. All vitriol aside, I just think he's a worthless failure as a sentiant entity, and deserves to be torn apart, devoured and done away with.
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Posted: 11/30/2004 12:31:41 AM     Post subject:  

All vitriol aside, I just think he's a worthless failure as a sentiant entity, and deserves to be torn apart, devoured and done away with.


Careful...if you mention torn apart and devoured to him, he might get aroused instead of ashamed.

Edit: This guy's a comedy goldmine! Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool that follows him?
He's upset that SA deleted his poem with strong bestiality overtones in a verse, and he keeps on pumping out the drama.
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Posted: 11/30/2004 3:03:17 AM     Post subject:  

Jesus fucking Christ. He rants and raves about how his "freedom to speak has been usurped". A few nod their heads stupidly and agree, saying SA is playing favorites. Thankfully, it seems a few people have a few brain cells left as they point out it was inappropriate material and that bestiality is not allowed. Ebon Lupus is persistent and continues to point fingers at everyone, calling them bigots and control freaks.

I read the poem. I have no idea what he was trying to get across here. He constantly talks about how his dog can't consent so its a slave or some such goofy shit. It's so pumped full of shit I'm surprised my computer didn't start to smell. When I got to the part that had the bestial overtones, my brain began to melt. How the fuck can he not think people would be offended by this? His brain is just so submerged in the poison in his head that he thinks whenever someone complains about his godforsaken art or poems or what have you, they are bigots that are taking away his freedom of speech. What a fucking degenerate.
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Posted: 11/30/2004 5:32:07 AM     Post subject:  

I was reading and thinking, "hahahaha, is he banned yet?", and then he's... threatening teenage owners of this site to close THEM down?? WFT?

Also:
This is going to end up just like DA, a facist dictatorship that refuses to justify it's rulings with any logical or realistic basis.

A new sig for me? :)


Edited for:
From what I've read seen and understood. No one seems to be kissing and Admin Ass. You just like to think so. Your poem though very well writen does seem a bit too ..... sexual.... even if it is simply about you and your dog in play....

AND NOW HE GOT A SHITS FROM YIFF!!!!!!
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Posted: 11/30/2004 7:04:06 AM     Post subject:  

Ebon and his little gang of idiots have moved from DA to another art site? And now they're being perse.. excuse me, FURSECUTED over a poem about being screwed by a dog? No way, I am in disbelief.

*gag*

I think the worst part is how something so glaringly awful and disgusting gets comments like "That poem was really really good". And then he goes on about how the admins are control freaks and about how his freedom of speech has been violated and how they're all bigots. Gee... the people running the site should really bend over backwards for him.

I then go to DeviantArt to see if he was banned and find this:

I would like to thank all those who enjoyed my drawings and writings for the support and kindness you gave me. You may email me for info about where I'll be inflicting my creations on the public in the future… if I choose to do so.

The haphazard way SleezyArt has been put together and is managed, I don't expect it to remain much better than deviantFart for very long. There are already petty fuckwit moderators who put their ego before propriety working to screw up the place. Anyway… I'll likely be leaving there soon too.

To those of you who get off on being rude fuckwit trolls, for example, the type of people deviantFart is made of and likes to side with. I'd like to tell you to please consider doing your part to improve the human condition… by fucking yourselves to death with sharp objects. Try to be considerate of those who will have to clean up your worthless remains and put down some plastic or do it in a bath tub. But then you've never been considerate of anyone in your waste of lives.

I can no longer, in good conscience, support a website or community of people who so oppose what I believe in: honesty, fairness, and freedom to express yourself… to be yourself. Since I don't want the freaks of deviantFart benefiting, in any way, from my creations, I'll be removing them.



DeviantFart owes me some money for some prints that recently sold, but I expect they'll find justification somewhere to rip me off… because that's the kind of humans they are. Well whatever, I've had enough of fighting with retards.
It's all so very.. very ironic.

So all this over his wolf/dog fucking art/poetry isn't accepted. Big fucking deal. What a drama queen, as if 99.9% of people want to see or read his garbage anyways. There's nothing deep, spiritual or artful about anything he does, it's the product of a sick mind.

If 'Ebon' is reading this, I'd like to let him know this is my official request for him to 'set his wolf spirit free' with a 38 special.

Get the fuck off my planet.
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Posted: 11/30/2004 7:07:38 AM     Post subject:  

Well, that was a bit more disturbing that I was in the mood for.

Photoshop dies whever you airbrush a rather human looking wolf penis. :cry:
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Posted: 11/30/2004 7:16:39 AM     Post subject:  

Giver and Taker


I THINK YOU MEAN GIVER AND RECIEVER OH JESUS CHRIST FUCKING DIE ALREADY
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Posted: 11/30/2004 4:10:51 PM     Post subject:  

It always amazes me how these folks continually forget that they are not on some kind of federal website. If DA or SA were a federally-hosted website, then the whole concept of the freedom to express yourself might be defensible. But, pretty much every website out there is privately owned and operated by a person or group of people. As such, it is the online equivalent of a private organization... and subject to the discretion of its owners and operators. Unless a website states that any and all forms of expression are tolerated and protected, posters will always be at the mercy of the owners and operators of a site. As such, material that is deemed unacceptable by the owners and operators of a site is always subject to scrutiny and/or being removed at their discretion. Regardless of their intentions to promote most artistic expression, many operators will still remove material that could get them into hot water - such as sensitive topics such as pedophilia, rape, and bestiality. Folks like Ebon are quick to waggle their fingers and shout cries of bigotry, never stopping to think that maybe the site operators just don't want the kind of trouble such material might bring on them.

Think of all of the stuff that gets left out of shows like South Park. While there is much they can get away with... there is still much they cannot. No matter how much the creators of the show would probably like to put some things in, there are some topics even they won't touch, simply because they don't want the kind of trouble it would bring down on them. Ebon is so blindly fixated on his own wants and desires (exhibiting some of the worst traits of the species he hates so desperately) that he apparently cannot see that it's not an issue of bigotry. Dogs and humans doing the mattress mambo is a topic most people have a problem with. As such, material depicting or describing or even inferring such acts could bring heat on SA that they don't want. Regardless of Ebon's views and wishes, and even regardless of SA operators views, not removing such material is just asking for trouble.

But, folks like Ebon stamp their little feet and cry bigotry. I couldn't bring myself to read the WHOLE thread, as it dragged on for an amazing number of posts for something so inane, so I didn't see if the mods/operators/owners made any comment on the quality of the poetry (though I don't know if anyone could really call his poetry good in any sense other than your average mediocre prose spewed out by a high school English student). For all he knows, someone there may have thought it was a decent poem. But, regardless, felt it necessary to remove it to avoid trouble. Somehow, they never quite understand that it is totally within the scope of the owners' and operators' perogatives to do so.

At my workplace, I have gashapon of Godzilla and a guges armored suit from the Masamune Shirow comic Appleseed. I do NOT have any of my half-naked figures of characters from Dead or Alive, Guilty Gear X, or other anime/games. Why? Because such things would be inappropriate at work. I have a picture of my wife. I do NOT have a naked picture of my wife. Do I select my decor out of fear of suffering the reprocussions of closed-mindedness and bigotry? Of course not! An office is simply not the appropriate place for sexy gashapon figures and naked pictures of my wife. Likewise, it is the feeling of many art sites that portrayals of behaviors that are considered by many to be harmful and illegal, such as rape, pedophilia, and bestiality, are not appropriate.

After getting the boot time and again, it's pretty amazing how it fails to sink into Ebon's very human egotism and self-centeredness that his material isn't welcome in most circles. He has his own bloody website, what more does he want? Is he on some crusade for external validation by seeing which sites he can successfully host his photomanipulations on? How many times can he get bitch-smacked for screaming "fire" in a crowded theater before he gets a freaking clue? It's also pretty amazing, though hardly surprising, that he fails to see that this is not a case of a handful of "bigots" removing material the masses want to see. It's a handful.. a very small handfull... of supporters arguing against the removal of somethng the masses don't want to see.

Basically, it all boils down to one thing. THEIR SITE - THEIR RULES.

Don't like it? Tough. You have your own website where you're free to post anything you like. Be happy with that. You want to expand beyond the bounds of your site in some kind of doggie-humping form of Manifest Destiny? Find zoo-friendly sites where you know your work will be enjoyed and protected. But stop walking into the middle of a virtual Denny's and expeting your little wolf dick photomanip arthaus to be protected.
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Posted: 11/30/2004 5:32:20 PM     Post subject: Re: Living throwrugs.  

http://www.sheezyart.com/view/103063

Interested description...the wolves look like throw rugs gone wrong.

My first drawing in over three months. It was hell finding a photo to manipulate for this one... but if one is patient.

Hang on, when DA and I brought up the "accusation" in this disaster area of a thread, didn't EbonLupus' compadre Snowolf tell us that Ebon doesn't use photomanipulation? Oh well.

And yes, the fur does look very rug-ish, as if Ebon overdid the paintover thingie, but seriously DA, how the hell did you manage to concentrate on the look of the fur? My first reaction was AAAAARGHHHH! That pic was PATENTLY DISGUSTING urk
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Posted: 11/30/2004 7:10:27 PM     Post subject:  

If I remember, the thread was largely an exercise in conflicting semantics. Snowolf and company were insisting the images were only reference. I think I brought up the idea of the photomanipulations being a form of collage, and viable art in their own right, but I don't recall if anything along those lines was ever admitted to as he has admitted here. And, honsetly, I can't bring myself to bear witness to the horrors of that thread again to look it up.
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Posted: 11/30/2004 7:25:51 PM     Post subject:  

What I hate the most about that whole "issue" he had with his poem on SheezyART is that they actually changed their TOS for him.

Now beastiality is allowed on sheezyART as long as it isn't too explicit.

I believe that this is partially due to Snowolf being a mod there.
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Posted: 11/30/2004 7:34:51 PM     Post subject:  

Ughh... more of the modern mindset of the wants of the few outweigh the needs of the many. Just once it'd be nice to see one of those sites use a little backbone.

I'm all for tolerance and open-mindedness, but you still have to draw the line somewhere. I draw it with sexually abusing animals... and while I know a dog will hump your leg if given the chance.. and as much as I hate the whole "slippery slope" argument... there are some slopes that are still too slippery to be danced along. Maybe someday when a dog can unmistakably verbalize, "Yes, I would welcome the opportunity to partake of having your cock in my ass."... but that day ain't coming any time soon.
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Posted: 11/30/2004 8:16:32 PM     Post subject:  

Ebon and his little gang of idiots have moved from DA to another art site?


They didn't move, he and several others were banned for harassment. In other words Ebon went around harassing someone, one of his little followers was banned for harassing mods and general asshattery. So they got the boot for the very behaviour he accuses others of.


Hang on, when DA and I brought up the "accusation" in this disaster area of a thread, didn't EbonLupus' compadre Snowolf tell us that Ebon doesn't use photomanipulation? Oh well.

And yes, the fur does look very rug-ish, as if Ebon overdid the paintover thingie, but seriously DA, how the hell did you manage to concentrate on the look of the fur? My first reaction was AAAAARGHHHH! That pic was PATENTLY DISGUSTING urk


Yes Snosheep swore blind black and blue they weren't manips as did Ebon. My first reaction was wtf is it? I just looked and thought it was a mishapen blob at first, then I got to the yuck part. Though the fur makes me nearly as sick as what is being depicted.
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Posted: 11/30/2004 9:07:26 PM     Post subject:  

Looking at the pic, it still strikes me how much human behavior is depicted in his little wolfy paint-by-numbers. For someone who claims to hate the species so much, he can't seem to bring himself to give up all of the benefits it offers. You don't see money shots like that in nature.

Apology accepted. I take so much crap for the kind of art I draw my fuse tends to be a bit short.

And he probably continues to wonder why he takes so much crap. I wonder if Maplethorpe is this thin-skinned.

Looking at the comments on his page, it's interesting how many of those kids think he left DeviantArt, rather than getting kicked out. I particularly like the one recommending he dodge around the ban by getting another account.

And why always goddamn wolves? Every socially impotent trenchcoat mafia wannabe hoo-hah that thinks he's a misunderstood outcast that could take down any linebacker if he wanted to glomps onto wolves like burs on a sheepdog. It's never aardvarks or armadillos or possums or something. Always stinkin' wolves. Unless they tend to be practical jokers. Then it's coyotes. Ooooh... trickster spirit yaddah yaddah. It's like wolves are the totems for geeks that aren't even cool enough to rank up at goth-level geekdom. Wolves are like the perpetual Hot Topic pick of the week for avatars.... chic, trendy, and a dime a dozen.

Incidentally, out of.. I dunno.. masochistic curiosity I clicked on his Wolfsoul.org website. Any credibility I might have ever lent him as a semi-sane and intelligent person flew right out the window with the use of the term "humanimals."

Other fun stuff from his site:

Self-sufficiency - a want to do things yourself - the urge to kill for meat and eat it raw.

Mmmm.. nothing like salmonella to get you going in the morning. Wolves aren't the only thing that kill something and eat it raw. There's sushi lovers, too.

Independence - unconcerned with the dogma of others - conscientious of and loyal to friends.

Being unconcerned with the dogma of others, of course, is closely related to having a short fuse when dealing with negative comments on one's doggie-humping photomanipulations.

Empathy - the ability to relate to another's emotions: especially with regard to canines and other animals.

Cuz they's cute and fwuffy.

Lunacy - powerful mood swings often dictated by lunar phase.

Any police officer or emergency medic will tell you this ISN'T limited to people harboring the delusion that they're a misplaced wolf spirit.

Need for solitude - in order to achieve inner peace one must often spend time alone.

Something all people need.. not just misplaced wolf spirits.

Love of the natural world and outdoor places - hiking, camping, and outdoor recreation are favored pastimes.

So... lumberjacks are misanthropic wolf spirits?

A passionate love of Wolves and/or other canines - it's simply impossible to ignore them.

CUTE, POWERFUL, AND FWUFFY!

Enjoyment of listening to howling and/or a desire to howl - a joy of stargazing and watching Luna.

I didn't know he was a Bear in the Big Blue House fan.

Outrage with regard to the way typical humanity treats animals - especially Wolves and other canines.

Because, of course, wolves and other canines are more deserving of protection than, say geckos, bees, moths, owls, eels, or fish..... because they're cute and fwuffy... and eels are not.

If you peruse the site, also note how it's aparently impossible for him to utilize a full body shot of a wolf that DOESN'T show it's balls or butthole. Further suggesting that most of this spirituality is rationalization for sexualizing the animals... almost like they're not so much something he respects, but views as a would-be fucktoy. For someone who claims to love wolves so much, everything he does seems to degenerate them into little more than sexual objects. In all the wolf images I've ever seen, it's very rare to see such distinct genitalia. Most of it is obscured by fur, and what you do see is no more outstanding than what you see on the family dog. The genitals on these ones, however, have not only been carefully singled out, but emphasized as well.

I particularly love how the wolf that is strung up by its hind leg has very prominent balls showing. Apparently, it's not enough to show a wolf in an unfortunate circumstance.. you have to turn him into a sexual object as well. It's almost like furry Guro art without the entrails.
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Posted: 11/30/2004 9:27:01 PM     Post subject:  

Ebon must have a tremendous envy of CNN personality Wolf Blitzer.
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Posted: 11/30/2004 10:14:23 PM     Post subject:  

Open mindedness should not be confused with non-judgementalism or for that matter with brains falling out on the floor, as they have with the majority of furry fandom. It's one thing to like animals. It's another to have sex with them. It's still another to advocate it. It's even further afield to defend it so passionately.

But furry being what it is, no one will judge things in degrees and say, "I'm a little eccentric but that's just plain perverted."

I don't care if all-male orgies are your thing. Underage participants are wrong.

I don't care if animals turn you on. Making sexual contact with them is wrong.

I don't care if you like stuffed animals as sex toys. More than a once-in-a-while kinky use is wrong.

I don't care if people in mascot outfits get you hot. Wrapping your life around sexually and anatomically correct fursuits is wrong.

There are limits in life. Most people understand these things innately. This lack of understanding is one of furry's faults. Ancillary to this would be their encouragement of this lack of understanding.
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Posted: 11/30/2004 11:23:57 PM     Post subject:  

Thank you, Wayd, for that much-needed breath of fresh air. It's just nice to see SOMEONE make a stand.

The way I always say it... it's good to be open-minded enough to let new ideas in. It's bad to be open-minded enough to let your brains spill out onto your shoes.
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Posted: 12/1/2004 4:19:52 PM     Post subject:  

There was a time not too long ago, as the earth counts time, when Wolves and humanimals were bound in close union - a union of respect and love. For it was through observing Wolves that humanimals learned much of their social organization and predator skills. So close was this union that humanimals fed on the kills of Wolves and visa versa.

So intimately was the bond between humanimal and Wolf that not only did we bring them into our homes, but into our hearts as well. Without Wolves, humanimals may have never come to realize their potential as a predator species or gain the mental capacity to create tools - develop technology. Canis lupus familiaris, the domestic dog, is a Wolf. We made the Wolf our friend and servant - incorporating them so firmly into our lives that even their physical characteristics conformed to suit us.


So let me get this right...apparently if wolves didn't exist we humans would have never have made any progress at all? oh that's okay then, I'll just blame all humanity's flaws on those nasty awful wolves getting us started.

Yeah right, like domesticating wolves made us smarter...:roll:
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Posted: 12/1/2004 5:02:07 PM     Post subject:  

I didn't read the whole side... couldn't stomach the drippage. But, it's all so clear now.....

So intimately was the bond between humanimal and Wolf that not only did we bring them into our homes, but into our hearts as well. Without Wolves, humanimals may have never come to realize their potential as a predator species or gain the mental capacity to create tools - develop technology.

So.... who is to blame for us having the capacity to create guns and planes so that we can aerially hunt wolves? THE WOLVES! Payback's a bitch, ain't it? That's just how great we are... not only do we have the capacity to bite the hand that feeds us, we can eradicate the whole arm. HAW HAW HAW. I must stand with my arms akimbo and laugh mightily. See, that shows how dumb they are. If they were so wise and noble, they would have realized we'd eventually blow up the planet. I guess they were too busy giving each other blowjobs to take the time to eradicate us before we got too big for our britches.

Canis lupus familiaris, the domestic dog, is a Wolf. We made the Wolf our friend and servant - incorporating them so firmly into our lives that even their physical characteristics conformed to suit us.


BEHOLD, THE PINNACLE OF LUPINE EVOUTION!


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Posted: 12/1/2004 5:25:05 PM     Post subject:  

I don't like my fellow man much myself, but then I have to work up close and personal with them every day installing their cable and satellite so I have good reason to be jaundiced towards humanity.

That DOESN'T mean I advocate fucking animals.

I don't like mankind having a hard-on for wiping out everything it comes in contact with in nature before realizing it is wrong and they need to stop and think twice about what they do.

That DOESN'T mean I advocate animals as being superior to humans.

People can be stupid. Frequently are. So can animals be. But ONLY HUMANS can raise it to an art form. In example, I give you furrydom.
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Shmeckopolis
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Posted: 12/1/2004 5:30:55 PM     Post subject:  

True stuff...


Why aren't you president yet?

So.... who is to blame for us having the capacity to create guns and planes so that we can aerially hunt wolves? THE WOLVES! Payback's a bitch, ain't it? That's just how great we are... not only do we have the capacity to bite the hand that feeds us, we can eradicate the whole arm. HAW HAW HAW. I must stand with my arms akimbo and laugh mightily. See, that shows how dumb they are. If they were so wise and noble, they would have realized we'd eventually blow up the planet. I guess they were too busy giving each other blowjobs to take the time to eradicate us before we got too big for our britches.


I seriously hope Ebon manages to stumble upon this thread for that excerpt alone.
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ZenZhu
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Posted: 12/1/2004 7:50:57 PM     Post subject:  

Heh... well, it's not like I actually would encourage the eradication of wolves or anything. I was just being glibly contrary. I am an environmental consultant, after all (though hopefully not much longer :P). I actually used to contribute to the Sawtooth Pack fund.

I agree that humanity is a source of endless stupidity, but it doesn't mean animals are to be lauded over us, or that our gifts make us better than them. I see the evidence of our deteriorating social standards and general intelligence level on a daily basis.. not just in work, but in just obvserving the world around me. Still, I figure you can look at things two ways... to assume we will eventually blow ourselves up (taking about every creature, including wolves, with us)... or to see that many people are trying to circumvent that fate... promoting greater understanding between peoples and such.

Of any animal, Man has the greatest potential to affect the world around us for the better. While we are still trying to get our act together to do that with a measurable degree of proficiency, I choose to focus on our undeveloped potential for good, rather than our immeasurable potential for stupidity. That's not to say my outlook is perpetually rosy. I'm actually quite cynical. On an almost daily basis, I avoid traffic accidents because I expected the person beside me or ahead of me to do whatever stupid thing they did. I anticipate the unexpected by expecting the stupid. Then, when it happens, I'm not caught by surprise.

Still, rather than obsessing on such things to the point where I wish I could just abandon the human race all together, I reflect on the potential we all have to not do the stupid stuff we do.... and hope that someday, we'll live up to that potential. Is the glass half empty, or is it half full?

Hell, it took us 2004+ years to get to THIS point. Environmental awareness and recognition of how we hurt ourselves when we hurt the world around us hadn't taken a big foothold until about 40 years ago. We still have a ways to go. But, I remain hopeful we can press on.

Namu Amida Butsu... Namu Amida Butsu.... Namu Amida Butsu....
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Posted: 12/1/2004 8:26:45 PM     Post subject:  

So intimately was the bond between humanimal and Wolf that not only did we bring them into our homes, but into our hearts as well. Without Wolves, humanimals may have never come to realize their potential as a predator species or gain the mental capacity to create tools - develop technology.


Yeah, right, wolves tought us to use tools. Not our heritage in apes like chimpanzees who were already tool-users and our need to protect ourselves from predators without effective claws.

Canis lupus familiaris, the domestic dog, is a Wolf. We made the Wolf our friend and servant - incorporating them so firmly into our lives that even their physical characteristics conformed to suit us.


It's Canis familiaris, not Canis lupus familiaris. Dog's aren't wolves. That's why they have their own species. They are taxonomically different enough to afford that. Also, while wolves and other canids may have been domesticated, the reason dogs now look like they do is not because they evolved to suit us, it's because we bred them to have special characteristics. Labs that had longer hair were bred together to make, say, the golden retriever. Dogs that had flatter faces were bred into bulldogs and pugs. It wasn't natural evolution, and it wasn't their choice.

There was a time not too long ago, as the earth counts time, when Wolves and humanimals were bound in close union - a union of respect and love. For it was through observing Wolves that humanimals learned much of their social organization and predator skills. So close was this union that humanimals fed on the kills of Wolves and visa versa.


Predator skills? Our predator skills were far, far different from those of wolves. Protohumans, I believe starting with Homo sapiens cro-magnon, weren't fast runners like wolves. No, they were endurance runners. Even if a deer took off twice as fast as we could run, it would tire out in a quarter of the time the human could. We just ran down our prey and hit it with sticks and axes. Later we developed missiles like spears and arrows, and we had to develop stealth, another thing that wolves don't rely on. We never hunted like wolves (a fast attack from all sides). I'd also like to see any evidence that humans formed a bond with a dangerous predator and ever did anything close to sharing food other than stealing carcasses and throwing away scraps.

Nice try, EbonLoser, but no cigar.
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Posted: 12/1/2004 9:35:31 PM     Post subject:  

Yeah, right, wolves tought us to use tools. Not our heritage in apes like chimpanzees who were already tool-users


What?

Chimps are a whole different humanoid species. Like gorillas.

Also:
Despite the fact that chimps use tools for a wider variety of tasks, such as foraging and grooming, they don't appear to pass on tool-building knowledge in the same way that people, and possibly New Caledonian crows, do.

Chimps don't share precise details about the manufacture of tools, rather they attempt to come to the same end point—a branch stripped of bark and leaves perhaps—through a trial-and-error process, said Hunt. Design innovations caught upon by individuals are therefore often not transmitted to the next generation, he added.

In contrast, these crows exactly mimic manufacture techniques learned from other birds, and therefore are able to make use of rare innovative new designs.
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Posted: 12/1/2004 9:44:51 PM     Post subject:  

Take things literally, much?

You know what he meant.
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Posted: 12/1/2004 9:47:51 PM     Post subject:  


So.... who is to blame for us having the capacity to create guns and planes so that we can aerially hunt wolves? THE WOLVES! Payback's a bitch, ain't it? That's just how great we are... not only do we have the capacity to bite the hand that feeds us, we can eradicate the whole arm. HAW HAW HAW. I must stand with my arms akimbo and laugh mightily. See, that shows how dumb they are. If they were so wise and noble, they would have realized we'd eventually blow up the planet. I guess they were too busy giving each other blowjobs to take the time to eradicate us before we got too big for our britches.


You are awesome. I really hope that EbonLupus himself has to read this snippet of text someday.
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Posted: 12/1/2004 9:53:07 PM     Post subject:  

Take things literally, much?

You know what he meant.


Ebon? ;)

I like his usage of a Borg-like "the Wolf", and the "humanimal", which I think is borrowed from this book of this guy who created scientology.

Also, I request for EbonLupus real-life photo, too.
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Posted: 12/1/2004 9:56:41 PM     Post subject:  

In contrast, these crows exactly mimic manufacture techniques learned from other birds, and therefore are able to make use of rare innovative new designs.

The lesson here? There are birds that are more clever than wolves. :D

Of course, blue jays have a greater capacity to remember where they store items than humans. Blue jays tend to raid food sources and hide much of their booty away. In a test with jays hiding foods like peanuts and stuff in trees versus humans hiding marbles, the jays had a greater percentage of recovery from their hidden stashes than the humans.

So birds are smarter than wolves and humans put together. Har har har.
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Posted: 12/1/2004 10:26:02 PM     Post subject:  


So.... who is to blame for us having the capacity to create guns and planes so that we can aerially hunt wolves? THE WOLVES! Payback's a bitch, ain't it? That's just how great we are... not only do we have the capacity to bite the hand that feeds us, we can eradicate the whole arm. HAW HAW HAW. I must stand with my arms akimbo and laugh mightily. See, that shows how dumb they are. If they were so wise and noble, they would have realized we'd eventually blow up the planet. I guess they were too busy giving each other blowjobs to take the time to eradicate us before we got too big for our britches.


You are awesome. I really hope that EbonLupus himself has to read this snippet of text someday.
You've gotta realize, Ebon is so insane that he's immmune to 90% of what anyone says. I'd have better results screaming "Get up! Grow legs and dance! And talk like Donald Duck too." at this soda can in front of me. Than getting the idea that "You're sick and need ALOT of help" to Ebon.

So birds are smarter than wolves and humans put together.
BIRDS ARE SO MAJESTIC AND INTELLIJUNT. WAY MORE THAN STUPID WOLVES OF HYOOMANS. P.S. My inner bird is telling me to shit on cars and eat seeds. :(
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Posted: 12/1/2004 10:28:26 PM     Post subject:  

My inner bird tells me to fly. I shall go to the top of the bank and take wing.

FLY! BE FREE! FLY!

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Posted: 12/2/2004 12:37:15 AM     Post subject:  

My inner bird tells me to fly. I shall go to the top of the bank and take wing.

FLY! BE FREE! FLY!



Now, if only there were more bird otherkin... :twisted:

Sorry for sounding a bit like a broken record...but seriously though, like you said before, it's terribly ironic how this jerk tries to lionize wolves ("They're more intelligent, have better morals, encouraged human beings to grow, and are noble creatures!") yet shows them rather...sexually, which would go against all of this preaching that "Wolves are people too! In fact, they're better than people!"

Because there's no reasoning with him, I sincerely wish he would get devoured by poodles. Hey, a girl can dream, can't she? :wink:
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Posted: 12/2/2004 11:57:18 AM     Post subject:  

Take things literally, much?

You know what he meant.


Ebon? ;)


No, I meant your nitpicking of MagKnightX.
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Posted: 12/2/2004 12:15:08 PM     Post subject:  

Last night I saw a dream that ebon lupus was on ricki lake or oprah or something. He looked and talked like jerry seinfeld and admitted that he pooped his pants as a kid too, because of eating so much shit.
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Posted: 12/2/2004 1:41:40 PM     Post subject:  

Last night I saw a dream that ebon lupus was on ricki lake or oprah or something. He looked and talked like jerry seinfeld and admitted that he pooped his pants as a kid too, because of eating so much shit.

And now he poops in his pants because of taking too much dog cock up his bum. FULL CIRCLE!
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Posted: 12/2/2004 3:20:27 PM     Post subject:  

Sorry for sounding a bit like a broken record...but seriously though, like you said before, it's terribly ironic how this jerk tries to lionize wolves ("They're more intelligent, have better morals, encouraged human beings to grow, and are noble creatures!") yet shows them rather...sexually, which would go against all of this preaching that "Wolves are people too! In fact, they're better than people!"

It's kind of like a bra-burning feminazi selling Swank and Hustler.
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Posted: 12/2/2004 3:23:42 PM     Post subject:  

Quick note, don't you just love Ebon's fantards, one of them is trying to shout abuse at me on another board because I said I didn't like his work.

This is why furry will never get anywhere because way too many of the artists have these fantards who tell them they're perfect just the way they are and attack anyone rabidly who disagrees.
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Posted: 12/2/2004 4:44:57 PM     Post subject:  

Not only that, in the case of Ebon, you get 20 people telling him he's sick, and 3 people telling him he's great.... which does he listen to? The 3 people. Anyone's fantards are just that... retarded fans. By those I'm referring to the folks that don't think ANYONE should dislike their idol's work, and is an uncultured bohemian if they don't. You find this among music snobs more than anything... like the people that figure you have to be a complete moron to not like Linkin Park or something.

Of course, that's a slippery slope. So many of our great artists have been against the norm.... but there's a big difference between a Picasso or a Dali and howling wolf blowjobs or spoogey erections during disembowelment.

Or take his picture with wolves tearing a person apart. If you didn't know about Ebon, you could say it was no different than something Wes Craven would produce. But, the difference is Wes Craven is expressing a morbid kind of creativity, but doesn't actually want the stuff he creates to happen. Ebon, on the other hand, produces imagery that, while gory, pales compared to some of the stuff Craven has done.... but he'd really like to see this happen. That's where you start to draw lines between a Hollywood horror producer, and someone who has the makings of a potential serial killer.

Of course, then there's his "poetry." You could write the phonebook out in free verse and someone would think it's beautiful and deep. So, just because he expresses his thoughts in rather lame prose, a handful of people think he's all spiritual in deep... and that you just don't understand his "beautiful spirit" for thinking his poetry is utter drek.
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Posted: 12/2/2004 9:43:39 PM     Post subject:  

Or take his picture with wolves tearing a person apart. If you didn't know about Ebon, you could say it was no different than something Wes Craven would produce. But, the difference is Wes Craven is expressing a morbid kind of creativity, but doesn't actually want the stuff he creates to happen. Ebon, on the other hand, produces imagery that, while gory, pales compared to some of the stuff Craven has done.... but he'd really like to see this happen. That's where you start to draw lines between a Hollywood horror producer, and someone who has the makings of a potential serial killer.


Never thought about it that way before. I suddenly have an image of Ebon tearing apart somebody with his teeth and then raping the corpse while wearing a wolf suit.
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Posted: 12/2/2004 11:20:29 PM     Post subject:  

And if I heard of that on 20/20.... it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
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