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Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

Ah, for the heck of it. Never started a post myself, so I'll just make a general notice.

For those who liked the series, the first season of Disney's (to I'm sure everyone's suprise that something like this made for tv came from them) Gargoyles has been released this week on DVD.

13 episodes and with commentary by the creators and voice actors on the first 5 shows. :!:

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

Ah, for the heck of it. Never started a post myself, so I'll just make a general notice.

For those who liked the series, the first season of Disney's (to I'm sure everyone's suprise that something like this made for tv came from them) Gargoyles has been released this week on DVD.

13 episodes and with commentary by the creators and voice actors on the first 5 shows. :!:

I'm amazed at the amount of DVD releases. It seems like any TV series ever aired on TV is getting its own DVD release, regardless of how good or bad it was.

I guess it's a new phenomena... back on the VHS times, the only TV series you could collect were those you'd record on your own VCR.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

Ah, for the heck of it. Never started a post myself, so I'll just make a general notice.

For those who liked the series, the first season of Disney's (to I'm sure everyone's suprise that something like this made for tv came from them) Gargoyles has been released this week on DVD.

13 episodes and with commentary by the creators and voice actors on the first 5 shows. :!:

I'm amazed at the amount of DVD releases. It seems like any TV series ever aired on TV is getting its own DVD release, regardless of how good or bad it was.

I guess it's a new phenomena... back on the VHS times, the only TV series you could collect were those you'd record on your own VCR.

I'm not complaining. Lots of toon shows of the past I'd love to have recorded when I was little, but we didn't have a vcr back then.

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

Ah, for the heck of it. Never started a post myself, so I'll just make a general notice.

For those who liked the series, the first season of Disney's (to I'm sure everyone's suprise that something like this made for tv came from them) Gargoyles has been released this week on DVD.

13 episodes and with commentary by the creators and voice actors on the first 5 shows. :!:

I'm amazed at the amount of DVD releases. It seems like any TV series ever aired on TV is getting its own DVD release, regardless of how good or bad it was.

I guess it's a new phenomena... back on the VHS times, the only TV series you could collect were those you'd record on your own VCR.

I'm not complaining. Lots of toon shows of the past I'd love to have recorded when I was little, but we didn't have a vcr back then.

Which were your favorite shows? Myself, I love Tom & Jerry. The shorts they did for the theatre, those from before the 60s.

In general, I love animation from before 1960. :)

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 631

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Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

UHHHHHHHHHHH

:?:

Anyway, I'm a fan of a lot of late 70s and 80s shows myself. There are some I'd love to see collected like Thundar The Barbarian or even the animated ALF shows.

They've already started doing some of the older Loony Toon stuff on dvd.

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Venter Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 258

I think he means that this topic should be in the "Off Topic" section of the forum.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

I think he means that this topic should be in the "Off Topic" section of the forum.

Exactly what is considered 'on-topic' in a forum labled Chit-Chat? I don't have anyone with big breast or uncontrolable unstoppable anger which can not be defeated to talk about.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Sorry, Ebony... YUO LOZ3 AT T3H INTARW3B!

Seriously, if you pay a little more attention in class, you'll see that Chit-Chat is for discussions about furrydom and, typically, it's horrors. Chit-Chat is basically the main posting area for all things relevant to the nature of CYD. Off-Topic is for anything else. Bear in mind, the general definition of "furry" is not as loose around here. I don't think I'm out of place in saying that most here would not consider Gargoyles to be furry. So, to educate by examples:

Chit-Chat: OMG! I just saw a post on SheezyArt where someone bought the new Gargoyles DVD set and took webcam pics of them fapping along with it while drawing Brooklyn/Bronx spooge!

Off-Topic: The Gargoyles DVD set just came out.

Get with the program, kid. You're making this harder than it is. Somewhere in imaginary space, your CYD counterpart is sitting there, trying to make his VCR clock stop blinking "12:00" while talking for the sake of hearing his own voice.:D

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

Sorry, Ebony... YUO LOZ3 AT T3H INTARW3B!

Seriously, if you pay a little more attention in class, you'll see that Chit-Chat is for discussions about furrydom and, typically, it's horrors. Chit-Chat is basically the main posting area for all things relevant to the nature of CYD. Off-Topic is for anything else. Bear in mind, the general definition of "furry" is not as loose around here. I don't think I'm out of place in saying that most here would not consider Gargoyles to be furry. So, to educate by examples:

Chit-Chat: OMG! I just saw a post on SheezyArt where someone bought the new Gargoyles DVD set and took webcam pics of them fapping along with it while drawing Brooklyn/Bronx spooge!

Off-Topic: The Gargoyles DVD set just came out.

Get with the program, kid. You're making this harder than it is. Somewhere in imaginary space, your CYD counterpart is sitting there, trying to make his VCR clock stop blinking "12:00" while talking for the sake of hearing his own voice.:D

First of all, Zen, I don't appreciate how your tone of replying had suddenly become more on a personal level than it has been before, which has been un warranted since I've done nothing but treat you with respect regardless of the topics that are being discussed. So, if you wouldn't mind canning the sarcasim and if there's something you feel that was done in violation ot his little club, then simply state what it is and I'll comply, without the smart ass digs added to it.

Secondly, since you all discuss topics about anthropomorphics in one fashion or another, then I'd figure just mention a show that has many anthropomorphic characters would be of some interest as a heads up. Frankly, after reading most of the post you all do post, I have no idea waht the hell 'definition' you give 'furry', would I know if Gargoyles would be considered so or not. m_estrugo and myself were capable of discussion shows that had anthro characters in them that we liked and commented on what era of shows we prefered, which tended to have anthro characters in them as well. But if you all can define just what FURRY can be talked about here, then fine, I'll follow that.

If you mean by being on-topic I have to find someone or something in furry to bring up in a child like manner for thrashing, then that's not my style, nor my interest. Frankly I feel it's childish. So if being on topic means making an ass of myself by seeking out crap that I'd be disturbed by then coming back here, posting about how disturbed I was buy it, then subjecting others to also be disturbed by it, so that we all like a butch of morons can talk about how disturbed we are by something we didn't want to see int he first place, then I'll refrain from starting treads and just continue to reply to them. (And if you can't see how stupid doing something like that is, then frankly what's the difference between the people who create the weird ass crap and the people who seek it out to copmlain about it?)

SLaitila · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 408

I dink in dis case soon will happen de dreadlock.

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

Gargoyles is not furry, you can barely consider the anthro characters in it big enoughto the plot to mandate it being 'furry' admittedly the fandom is very nearly as blimmin bad as the 'furry' fandom I've got some pretty jaw dropping tales to tell about them but no I agree, this should have been posted in off topic.

GoManVanGogh · Vociferator Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 365

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First of all, Zen, I don't appreciate how your tone of replying had suddenly become more on a personal level than it has been before, which has been un warranted since I've done nothing but treat you with respect regardless of the topics that are being discussed. So, if you wouldn't mind canning the sarcasim and if there's something you feel that was done in violation ot his little club, then simply state what it is and I'll comply, without the smart ass digs added to it.)

Awww, did da big, bad ZenZhu hurt da poor widdow puddy-tat's feewings?

Wayd Wolf · Vociferator Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 588

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First of all, Zen, I don't appreciate how your tone of replying had suddenly become more on a personal level than it has been before, which has been un warranted since I've done nothing but treat you with respect regardless of the topics that are being discussed. So, if you wouldn't mind canning the sarcasim and if there's something you feel that was done in violation ot his little club, then simply state what it is and I'll comply, without the smart ass digs added to it.)

Awww, did da big, bad ZenZhu hurt da poor widdow puddy-tat's feewings?

While Ebony himself was out of line in his swipe at me, he DOES have a point.

Is it necessary for CYD now to attack people who post here as opposed to furry freakery? Is it inevitable that CYD become SA with its own goonish behaviour?

I thought better of CYD. I hope I wasn't wrong.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

Gargoyles is not furry, you can barely consider the anthro characters in it big enoughto the plot to mandate it being 'furry' admittedly the fandom is very nearly as blimmin bad as the 'furry' fandom I've got some pretty jaw dropping tales to tell about them but no I agree, this should have been posted in off topic.

Well, the fact that the DVD had a well known "fursuiter/costume maker" in it and that it has conventions that in appearance pretty much mirrors furry conventions was really the main point of making the announcement, because I figured it'd have been to some interest for some, particularly those who probably would have known the suiter or found the similarities interesting for discussion.

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

Gargoyles is not furry, you can barely consider the anthro characters in it big enoughto the plot to mandate it being 'furry' admittedly the fandom is very nearly as blimmin bad as the 'furry' fandom I've got some pretty jaw dropping tales to tell about them but no I agree, this should have been posted in off topic.

Well, the fact that the DVD had a well known "fursuiter/costume maker" in it and that it has conventions that in appearance pretty much mirrors furry conventions was really the main point of making the announcement, because I figured it'd have been to some interest for some, particularly those who probably would have known the suiter or found the similarities interesting for discussion.

Who? I will probably know them if you wish to bring this back on topic.

GoManVanGogh · Vociferator Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 365

Who? I will probably know them if you wish to bring this back on topic.

Oop! Careful, D, I think you stymied him.

Quantum Coyote · Venter Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 221

Ebonyleopard wrote:

I'm not complaining. Lots of toon shows of the past I'd love to have recorded when I was little, but we didn't have a vcr back then.

Yeah same here. Back when Nickelodeon(SIC?) was a poor network, all they had pretty much were these really cool foreign cartoons. Some asian, but also Aussie, Kiwi, and Brit.. an' who knows what else. They even had Dangermouse and Bananaman!

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

First of all, OMG, CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!!?!?!?!? Really, though, it's great to see the resident pacifist finally showing some spine.

Seriously, I was hoping a little sarcasm would inspire you to get on the ball with the ins and outs of posting and RTFM (read the freaking manual). You haven't violated anything in "this little club" other than spam it with posts that, while valid contributions, are annoyingly clueless with respect the mechanics of the site. I've tried explaining to you how posting works, and that didn't seem to work. Getting snippy because Computholio called you to the carpet for your cluelessness made me figure a little sarcasm, where usually I have reserved it, would give you a wake up call to actually figure out how this place works.

First, it is not necessary to include EVERYTHING quoted from the post you are responding to. Keep the text that is pertinent, and weed out that which isn't. Second, I encourage you to learn how to respond to all of the responses in a thread you wish to reply to in ONE post. Finally, don't get pissy with the mods because you messed up. Look at the kinds of threads in each area and figure out what's appropriate where.

Sorry if my tactics hurt your feelings. While your views are sometimes hypocritical, your presence here helps keep everyone on their toes a bit. It would just be nice if you could start streamlining your posting mechanics and be a little less like a n00b. If you wanna dance with the chorus line, you gotta learn the steps.

Charisma · Venter Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 234

I was aware of gargoyles but I dont remember ever seeing it.

I'm looking for Fairly Odd Parents or Foster's home for Imaginary friends at the moment.
The only actual 'series collection' I own is Family Guy and Excel Saga.

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

I was aware of gargoyles but I dont remember ever seeing it.

I'm looking for Fairly Odd Parents or Foster's home for Imaginary friends at the moment.
The only actual 'series collection' I own is Family Guy and Excel Saga.

I was a huge fan, until it's fandom start showing furry like tendencies. At the point I told them where to stuff it. I still draw the occasional bit of fanart but I will probably never go to the gathering.

Charisma · Venter Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 234

what has gargoyles got to do with furries anyways? were they like animals?

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Nothing much.. the thread got perpetuated over the debate as to whether or not Gargoyles was sufficiently furry to be in Chit Chat.

Survey says... X.

So... hmm.. topic.. topic.. how about that Lindz and his penis, eh?

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

what has gargoyles got to do with furries anyways? were they like animals?

No but there were some minor characters who could be considered anthro in it. The gargoyles themselves were living grotesques so the show was actually misnamed since real gargoyles are rain spouts, they'd wake up from their stone sleep after the sun went down and generally protect the city from trouble. There was quite a bit a heavy moralising in it, general disney tactics.
But they also had things like the egyptians gods showed up, the mutates one of which was the main human female Elisa's (who just happened to be the main gargoyle Goliath's love interest :roll:) Brother Derek were sorta half human, half big cats with a bit of electric eel thrown in for good measure. But still I don't think it qualifies as 'furry'.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I followed a few episodes of it when it started out. The animation had a nice crispness to it, and the colors were nicely cohesive and not overstated while having a good saturation to them. The theme of it quickly started to feel like a goth-chick's attempt at crossing Batman with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. It also tended to fall into the pitfall of stereotyped stories wherein the ragtag bunch of flat-footed cops and misunderstood outcasts were the good guys and anyone with two nickels to rub together and a taste for technology were the bad guys.

In other words, misunderstood outcasts = good, corporate executives = bad.

From the times I did see it as the story progressed, they did actually evolve the characters.. which many cartoons don't do. One recurring villain.. Xanatos or something... became less villainous and actually something of a hero after a while. I believe he married some other villain, they had a kid, and then were suddenly all good and lovey and stuff.... I think they regularly sent the gargolyes gift baskets and e-cards.

I picked back up with it for a few weeks while working on my thesis. You'll watch just about anything in the wee hours. There seemed to be some story involving Goliath.. the main gargoyle.. and his daughter that they added at some point.. taking a slow boat to China.... er... I mean they were lost in time or something.

Aside from not having much more than a passing interest in it in the first place, the series really lost me in that it seemed to borrow from far too many disjointed literary works and historical myths while severely dicking around with the separation between the average joes, and all of the super duper gods and heroes and villains and such. It apparently turned out that Xanatos' rather straight-laced assistant (think Smithers with an even BIGGER corn cob up his butt) was Puck from Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream. King Arthur and his ilk seemed to pop up a lot. Norse gods, Egyptian deities and, for all I know, Hindu demigods and Aboriginal hoodihahs kept popping up or hooking up with the gargolyes at Starbucks or something. It seemed like everything out there was fair game, and there was no real cohesive element to describe what was canon and what wasn't. It's like the writers just flipped through the Pyramid Collection catalog for inspiration.

The result was that it ceased to become a story about extraordinary beings in the ordinary world, but extraordinary beings having scavenger hunts and revealing to the ordinary world that it wasn't ordinary. If we actually lived in the Gargoyles universe, there'd be a 99% chance each of us would wake up one day to discover we're really from Atlantis, or Avalon, or the offspring of Thor and Bast. In the Gargoyles universe, there'd be a 50/50 chance that I'd wake up tomorrow and realize that I was Jesus until I crashed while test-piloting a superdimensional jet fighter, and now I'm the Son of God with a bionic leg and a particle cannon for an arm.

It started to seem like the series just couldn't make up its mind what it was. In bringing so many extraordinary characters and elements, it made the uncommon seem overly commonplace. Most of the characters would register surprise for about two second upon waking up to see Cthulu raiding their fridge, and then point out where the milk was and offer to let him crash on their couch for a few hundred years.

Anyway, that's my impression of it. It also seemed like an exercise in figuring out how many actors from Star Trek: The Next Generation they could give voice-acting work to so they could keep paying their rent. Overall, it could be counted as furry in that involved nonhuman characters, but I wouldn't really count it as any more furry than anime cat girls.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

It's a fucking cartoon meant to amuse eight year olds to the point of getting their parents to buy plastic replicas of said... stop intellectualizing it, twit.

Mastertran · Prattler Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 174

The show had cool action figures. And in a dark way I thought the evil Gargoyle was hot. Why did I say that out loud.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

The show had cool action figures. And in a dark way I thought the evil Gargoyle was hot. Why did I say that out loud.

..admitting your sins... on CYD.

*tosses hot acid*

REPENT! REPENT!

Shmeckopolis · Vociferator Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 314

I'm just amazed ZZTop could make such a thesis about the show after, admittedly, only catching it sporadically.

Mastertran · Prattler Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 174

I REPENT!!!!!!!! I REPENT!!!!!!!!!!!! Please father it burns. Yes I will never think of her again ever....She had nice hair. AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! STOP PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Like I said, I followed a few weeks of it while thesis writing (my actual thesis) in the wee hours on Toon Disney.. so I got a good 3 week dose of it Monday through Friday.

Besides, what don't I write a thesis about?

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

Besides, what don't I write a thesis about?

"Things which are amusing, Alex?"

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Nice try, but it's not gonna work. Go back to heckling Wayd if you're that desperate for some luvin'.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

Hey, I does only says it as I sees it, Suh..

D.T. · Qualificator Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 18

ZenZhu is certainly entitled not to like the show. It wasn't for everyone, and I understand that while some people found all the literary, historical, and mythical references to be "cool", others just wanted to see, I dunno, Killer Croc throwing a big rock at Batman.

But Zhu did get some facts wrong (unsurprising since he barely watched it, not being a fan), so I'd like to correct that. No offence meant Zen.

It also tended to fall into the pitfall of stereotyped stories wherein the ragtag bunch of flat-footed cops and misunderstood outcasts were the good guys and anyone with two nickels to rub together and a taste for technology were the bad guys.

There was initially one rich businessman enemy in the show. Later he had a big chunk of his money stolen by his "son" who was programmed with his "father's" twisted ethics. But it's a serious overstatement to say that anyone with money was evil. There were a few rich good guys too (Halcyon Reynard had a major axe to grind about people taking responsibility for their actions). It's just that the main bad guy happened to be rich.

In other words, misunderstood outcasts = good, corporate executives = bad.

Maybe in the first season you could make that kind of generalization, but it'd cover maybe 10% of the episodes overall.

From the times I did see it as the story progressed, they did actually evolve the characters.. which many cartoons don't do. One recurring villain.. Xanatos or something... became less villainous and actually something of a hero after a while. I believe he married some other villain, they had a kid, and then were suddenly all good and lovey and stuff.... I think they regularly sent the gargolyes gift baskets and e-cards.

Hardly (unless you count the craptacular and universally reviled third season, made after Disney fired all the original writers).

I picked back up with it for a few weeks while working on my thesis. You'll watch just about anything in the wee hours. There seemed to be some story involving Goliath.. the main gargoyle.. and his daughter that they added at some point.. taking a slow boat to China.... er... I mean they were lost in time or something.

For a while some of the main characters were stuck visiting various locations around the world, because a magic spell/plot device refused to send them where they wanted to go, and instead sent them where they "needed to be". One of those places was Japan.

It was a total plot device though, an excuse to meet Cuchulain, Anubis, Odin, Anansi and other mythological folks from around the world.

Aside from not having much more than a passing interest in it in the first place, the series really lost me in that it seemed to borrow from far too many disjointed literary works and historical myths while severely dicking around with the separation between the average joes, and all of the super duper gods and heroes and villains and such. It apparently turned out that Xanatos' rather straight-laced assistant (think Smithers with an even BIGGER corn cob up his butt) was Puck from Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream. King Arthur and his ilk seemed to pop up a lot.

Okay, TWICE is not "a lot". They did one story where they woke him up, and one story where he got back Excalibur.

Norse gods, Egyptian deities and, for all I know, Hindu demigods and Aboriginal hoodihahs kept popping up or hooking up with the gargolyes at Starbucks or something.

One Norse god (Odin, who only tracked them down because they had something of his), one Egyptian (Anubis), no Hindu or Aboriginal demigods, hoodihods, or muckamucks. And they only met these folks because an enchantment was sending them to meet these important people. Yeah it's a plot device, but it IS an explanation. It's not like it just happened randomly.

It seemed like everything out there was fair game, and there was no real cohesive element to describe what was canon and what wasn't. It's like the writers just flipped through the Pyramid Collection catalog for inspiration.

With a few rare and necessary exceptions the writers kept mythical characters pretty close to their original form (not in Ireland mind you), just saying that all gods and most legends are actually a single race. They were also, with rare exception, very accurate in their historical flashbacks. They told the story of Macbeth way closer to what historically happened than Shakespeare did, even with gargoyles thrown in.

The result was that it ceased to become a story about extraordinary beings in the ordinary world, but extraordinary beings having scavenger hunts and revealing to the ordinary world that it wasn't ordinary. If we actually lived in the Gargoyles universe, there'd be a 99% chance each of us would wake up one day to discover we're really from Atlantis, or Avalon, or the offspring of Thor and Bast.

That's a very jaded way of looking at the show. When it did turn out that someone was more than an average human, there tended to be a good explanation. Owen = Puck for instance. Titania, Puck's queen, is attracted to powerful men. So she married a powerful mortal when she and the other gods were kicked out of their home. Puck found her, and was interested in watching them for a bit, but then became more interested in Titania's daughter and her boyfriend, Xanatos. So he became Xanatos' assistant, for shits and giggles. Puck was essentially banished for 1000 years, he had to find SOME way to pass the time.

Aside from that story, and Macbeth, the only people they met that turned out to be "more than human" were a few folks they ran into while being sent all around the world to meet important people. Off the top of my head I'd say there were 3, maybe 4. I'd also say they never just "happened" to meet these people, there was always a logical explanation (even if that explanation was an overstretched plot device it was still an explanation).

In the Gargoyles universe, there'd be a 50/50 chance that I'd wake up tomorrow and realize that I was Jesus until I crashed while test-piloting a superdimensional jet fighter, and now I'm the Son of God with a bionic leg and a particle cannon for an arm.

You're thinking of really bad furry fanfic (or original fic for that matter). In episode 8 of the series a main character got shot. And fell down, and bled a big pool of blood and had to be rushed to the emergency room. And the person that carried her ended up with bloody hands from picking her up. And she ended up walking on crutches for a bit after that episode. So frankly I'd say you had much better chances of being just a non-bullet-proof mortal in Gargoyles than any other animated show to come out in America.

They also had no bionic mythological characters, and one alien (on Easter Island, explaning those damn heads). No superdimensional jet fighters I'm afraid.

It started to seem like the series just couldn't make up its mind what it was. In bringing so many extraordinary characters and elements, it made the uncommon seem overly commonplace. Most of the characters would register surprise for about two second upon waking up to see Cthulu raiding their fridge, and then point out where the milk was and offer to let him crash on their couch for a few hundred years.

Cthullu never showed up. They stuck to real legends, folklore, people, and mythology. And if they swallowed the "extraordinary" readily, maybe it's because the main characters came from the year 994 A.D. back when they assumed magic and monsters were real. Plus the whole turning to stone during the day bit might have made them more accepting of weirdness than you might be.

Anyway, that's my impression of it. It also seemed like an exercise in figuring out how many actors from Star Trek: The Next Generation they could give voice-acting work to so they could keep paying their rent. Overall, it could be counted as furry in that involved nonhuman characters, but I wouldn't really count it as any more furry than anime cat girls.

There were different breeds of gargoyles around the world, and many of them were animal-like in appearance, so I understand why some folks might try to categorize it as furry. I don't. I just categorize it as a hell of a lot better than any other action show animated in the U.S..

Hope this doesn't come off as too aggressive Zen - don't want to get into a fight with you, simply because you seem to have way more patience for fights than me. Heh. But since some folks might be deciding whether or not to give the show a chance, I figured a democratic response wouldn't be inappropriate.

21st Century Digital Boy · Prattler Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 131

ZenZhu is certainly entitled not to like the show. It wasn't for everyone, and I BLOO BLOO A BLOO BLOOOO

Jesus Christ, SHUT UP.

Nobody fucking cares about the delicate mythological intricasies of a little kid's show you happen to jack off to, go away.

D.T. · Qualificator Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 18

ZenZhu is certainly entitled not to like the show. It wasn't for everyone, and I BLOO BLOO A BLOO BLOOOO

Jesus Christ, SHUT UP.

Nobody fucking cares about the delicate mythological intricasies of a little kid's show you happen to jack off to, go away.

Ever notice how Mr. Mean is shaped kinda like a dick?

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

HEY GUYS! I LIKE PIE!

This pie is pregnant.

D.T. · Qualificator Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 18

HEY GUYS! I LIKE PIE!

Pie's all right I guess. But I think tart's way better than pie.

Mmmm... tarts.

Shmeckopolis · Vociferator Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 314

Ah, the pattern stays true and alive!

Person 1:

Person 2:

Person 3 not into interest (usually Rankin): SHUT UP YARGHLE HARG FLAM!

S'a shame so many folks never mastered using that handy-dandy scroll bar to skip posts they don't like. With that there, really, there's little excuse in ze bitching.

Quit whining and SCROLL DOWN!

21st Century Digital Boy · Prattler Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 131

Ah, the pattern stays true and alive!

Person 1:

Person 2:

Person 3 not into interest (usually Rankin): SHUT UP YARGHLE HARG FLAM!

S'a shame so many folks never mastered using that handy-dandy scroll bar to skip posts they don't like. With that there, really, there's little excuse in ze bitching.

Quit whining and SCROLL DOWN!

Oh, I did; I only bothered to skim across D.T.'s bloated abortion post enough to get the general gist of it. To be honest, I was (okay, still am) in a pissy mood today, and his post was just too perfect a target to pass up. It's a master's thesis on a goddamn CARTOON ABOUT TALKING RAINSPOUTS ferchrissakes.

Bah, I'm going to bed.

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

D.T. dude I was a big gargoyles fan but even I wouldn't write a major thesis on it.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

All I can say is THANK YOU, D.T., for diverting attention away from me as the one expending way too much thought in deconstructing the series. Seriously, I was poking fun at it, not making literal claims about its content.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

Gargoyles was a cool show. Not as genuinely great or trancendant of the medium as Batman, but it was certainly one of the best offerings of the 90's.

But these 'fandoms' can all choke on my dick.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

If they could get their mouth around it, BECAUSE IT'S SO BIG, IT IS!

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

If they could get their mouth around it, BECAUSE IT'S SO BIG, IT IS!

Are you kidding? You should see Rankin's.

Gargoyle · Vociferator Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 387

Notice I'm not even saying anything. I'll only say teh fandom introduced me to teh furry, which was quite traumatic indeed. Though I'm certainly gonna download DVD rips anyway.

Also, this website's main page art is laughably bad. And... no.

Once again the Gathering of the Gargoyles proudly presents the work of its talented fandom artists! And again this year, not only will we be having the traditional GARGOYLES art show, but what we call the "Othercon art show" designated for the more mature members of the fandom. Only those 18 years and older may enter art or view this room.

Othercon

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

If you don't write dumbass mythological plots, Eisner gets ya fired like the first batch of writers.

Heck, I can't say anything more bout the man without being anti-semite...

When ya dig for reasons why some disney thing sucks, atta bottom ya always find the money! =)

Who sets the price on what an animated whateverthing should cost?
I haven't found any other standard as long as it's always less then the previous one.

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

Also, this website's main page art is laughably bad. And... no.

I notice with a sigh of relief that some people have been dropped from staff, unfortunately I know those people are gravitating into the furry fandom, as if it didn't have enough morons. I don't think the arts so bad, I've seen worse from some of the so-called popular gargoyles artists. I shudder to think what it would look like if they let demona may do it.

Gargoyle · Vociferator Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 387

I don't think the arts so bad, I've seen worse from some of the so-called popular gargoyles artists. I shudder to think what it would look like if they let demona may do it.

It's just FUCKING bad. Bad enough to rescue a president. Look at it. Don't look at a crotch.

And what Demona?

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

If you don't write dumbass mythological plots, Eisner gets ya fired like the first batch of writers.

I didn't account for that in poking fun at the cartoon seemingly drawing haphazardly from almost every literary and mythological work out there... that that's what Disney does..... rob from the written to give to the rich. Hell, if they were still making the series today, they'd probably be defending Redwall alongside Harry Potter.

Gargoyle · Vociferator Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 387

If you don't write dumbass mythological plots, Eisner gets ya fired like the first batch of writers.

I didn't account for that in poking fun at the cartoon seemingly drawing haphazardly from almost every literary and mythological work out there... that that's what Disney does..... rob from the written to give to the rich. Hell, if they were still making the series today, they'd probably be defending Redwall alongside Harry Potter.

I don't really think Shakespeare some 10 years ago was really as popular as Rowling is today.

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

And what Demona?

http://www.nightstoneunlimited.com/ That's Demona May, the fruit loop who thinks she really is Demona.

SLaitila · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 408

I doubt he was even as popular as Billy Idol back then.

REBEL YELLLLL!

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

I doubt he was even as popular as Billy Idol back then.

REBEL YELLLLL!

HEY LITTLE SISTER, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?

Gargoyle · Vociferator Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 387

And what Demona?

http://www.nightstoneunlimited.com/ That's Demona May, the fruit loop who thinks she really is Demona.

Oh yes, noticed the e-mail adress. Please tell more.

Edited for:
Move the cursor over "the winged Gargoyle" .gif (it's Blood I alright), and read the message... it's Kimmaugh's missing EVIL twin! From Hell! And Yea she's Insane! You BASTERS!

Sweet Evil Jesus, DA, just tell us everything you know about this fine lady.

Edited again:

Webmaster:Margaret D. Stephens
Characters On here are Range From Cartoons To TV Shows.
All Other artworks is copyright by Night Stone Unlimited 1970-2000 beyond.

HOW OLD IS SHE?

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

Where to start, well Demona May thinks she is the real demona, and claims she was using the character before Gargoyles even aired.

At one con I'm told she sat down on another person who goes by the nickname CrzyDemona's bed in a wet swimsuit. Apparently Crzy went mental. Her antic's have apparently nearly got her banned from the con several times including jumping out on people. She's done things like swan into people's rooms while they were standing there in underwear preparing for the masquerade, understandably no-one really likes her. She also has a bad habit of turning up when she's mentioned usually by someone who tells her she's being discussed to stir things up.

She also thinks my more highly of her art abilities than most other people like KAK. Edit: I have no earthly idea of how old DM is, probably in her 30's at least.

CrzyDemona isn't much better though, she was on the gathering staff for a while and kept a con 'diary' that read like a whose who of the fandom, literally if you're not well known she doesn't want to know you. She's also apparently got a feud going on another artist over something so minor it's untrue. Plus she's selling anime Fanart on T-shirts over at her site:

http://www.artchicks.org/JLAnderson.html

I've had tangles with the latter after she started screaming at me for 'scaring of a n00b' on a board for telling them the truth, there wasn't much anyone could say to a head drawn on lined paper to help them. *shrug*

See also http://www.geocities.com/~crzy_demona/ for the diaries I mentioned. Edit: scratch that they've vanished. shame they were funny to read.

The intricacies of the fandom are many but there's a lot of people I've got good solid reasons to dislike in there. But those are the two who most stick out, May for being a whack job and Crzy for being an ass kissing synophant.

Gargoyle · Vociferator Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 387

Where to start, well Demona May thinks she is the real demona, and claims she was using the character before Gargoyles even aired.

Awesome... and "Yea Insane". I guess it's called "otherkin" nowadays. (It's a lot like teh furry, just even more retarded... think Ebon Lupus.)

Also, I don't see any diaries on the Crzy's site. (And I don't believe selling anime fanart t-shirts is anything wrong. I'm THAT nerdy, you know.)

Edited for: I was wrong on Ebon being an otherkin. He would really like to be a wolf, but he knows he's a mere hy00man... "weak genetics" and stuff. He's just a zoophile suicidal/homocidal furry fag, and not even a werewolf ;)

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

Edited for: I was wrong on Ebon being an otherkin. He would really like to be a wolf, but he knows he's a mere hy00man... "weak genetics" and stuff. He's just a zoophile suicidal/homocidal furry fag, and not even a werewolf ;)

Actually he is otherkin technically, he thinks he was a wolf in a previous life and thinks he has the soul of a wolf still and is sure when he dies he'll wake back up as a wolf.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Edited for: I was wrong on Ebon being an otherkin. He would really like to be a wolf, but he knows he's a mere hy00man... "weak genetics" and stuff. He's just a zoophile suicidal/homocidal furry fag, and not even a werewolf ;)

A.K.A. someone that found it easier to wish themselves into a delusional state where their "enlightenment" at the human condition and their "true" nature gives them an excuse to not have to put down the remote and burritos and pick up a barbell..... obsessing on what they can't do and be rather than developing what they can do and be.

As they say, where there's a will, there's a way. Folks like Ebon find it easier to concoct a concept of reality wherein there is no way to obtain their goals as a means of justifying their lack of will to change their lives. They're not in the positions they're in because they can't attain their goal. They set their goals and ideals on something impossible.... like transforming into a wolf... to rationalize their lack of drive to take their life by the reigns.

D.T. · Qualificator Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 18

ZenZhu: I totally understood that you were just making fun of the series for shits and giggles (In defence of my elephant-sized reply, damn that was long post just to make fun of a show you'd barely watched). But I didn't think it would piss some people off so much that I'd say "nah nah, he's exaggerating, the series isn't really like that, give it a try". Guess some people can't stand being told there are different opinions.

See my tagline.

As for CrzyDem and Demona May... I've had a lot of online artist friends over the years, and I've had the unfortunate distinction of being introduced to both "Demona"s in chats.

Jesus Christ.

May's pretty much out of her gourd, but in a harmless "eccentric uncle" kinda way. It's hard for me to dislike her - she's kinda like a smurf that lost it after being on the recieving end of life's crap one too many times.

Crzy, on the other hand... I only met her a few times, and she managed to leave me with the impression that she's one of the the most rabid mouthbreathing bitches I'd ever meet in my life.

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

Crzy, on the other hand... I only met her a few times, and she managed to leave me with the impression that she's one of the the most rabid mouthbreathing bitches I'd ever meet in my life.

An impression, I can assure you that is not wrong, lots of people in the fandom think she's a bitch, the only reason she got on con stuff or anything else I heard was that she's one of the 'artchicas' or rather she's managed to kiss ass enough to get elevated to 'friend of artchica' so is 'artchica' by default.

She's also anxious to ensure everyone knows she knows famous people, if we have ask greg you can bet she's in there talking to him like he's her bosom pal or something, so she interrupts that fans questions with information and questions she could easily deal with in private correspondence rather than geniune questions about the show.

Mastertran · Prattler Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 174

You let me just say this. Any member of any fandom is nuts period. This includes me for being a movie geek, and A Lord Of the Rings geek. But these people they need a life or need to be forced to live in Ethiopa in the hot sun with rebel miltias who want to hunt them down for meat.

Sorry I'm a little angry today. I also got the Dvd today not so bad..not great either.

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

You let me just say this. Any member of any fandom is nuts period.

My personal nutdom is ssslloowwwllly growing in my shelf... expandling quietly, like a tumor on an tissue....
Look at it now...

But beware...in a few more weeks, it will be larger... and larger... and larger... until it spreads beyond the shelf... and invades the rest of my room... and my house... and the adjacent piece of street....

I'm scared to think that, in 1998, I only owned one of these diecast cars. And now, they're over 100.

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

OMG! a Fan! -Kill it, kill it! =)

Gargoyle · Vociferator Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 387

You let me just say this. Any member of any fandom is nuts period. This includes me for being a movie geek, and A Lord Of the Rings geek. But these people they need a life or need to be forced to live in Ethiopa in the hot sun with rebel miltias who want to hunt them down for meat.

I thought the only cannibal rebels in a recent Africa were RUF in Sierra Leone (or maybe some guys in Congo area?)... and Ethiopia's only "rebels" are now Erithreans?

As club-wielding mobs surged through Ivory Coast’s largest city hunting for foreigners, national figures urged them on: "Rise up against French imperialism." "Sever the umbilical cord." "If I find my French man, I will eat him."

But they're the government.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

C'mon, kids.. it's a children's cartoon. Let's gain a little perspective here. Do I need to bring out the boobie pics for focus?

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

C'mon, kids.. it's a children's cartoon. Let's gain a little perspective here. Do I need to bring out the boobie pics for focus?

If you do I'll retaliate with hot naked Asian lesbians kissing, and I know you don't want that.

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

C'mon, kids.. it's a children's cartoon. Let's gain a little perspective here. Do I need to bring out the boobie pics for focus?

If you do I'll retaliate with hot naked Asian lesbians kissing, and I know you don't want that.

Hmmmmm... how about a preemptive strike?

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Here you go.. a couple of big boobies.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

You were warned... and yet you still took your foolish course. Now everyone must suffer Not Work Safe real life pics of hot Asian lesbians kissing.

WELL I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY NOW

Quantum Coyote · Venter Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 221

It's a fucking cartoon meant to amuse eight year olds to the point of getting their parents to buy plastic replicas of said... stop intellectualizing it, twit.

Aw your just sore 'cause he's beating you to 1000 posts, and they ain't one liners :) joo hyperkinetic coon-thing... !

But, yeah, your right, that marketing gets to me.. Have you seen that stupid cartoon where they actually fight against each-other MagicTheGathering/PokemonCardgame style?? And of course they are selling the cards, I saw some the other day in some vending machine. How much more blatent can you get?!

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

You were warned... and yet you still took your foolish course. Now everyone must suffer Not Work Safe real life pics of hot Asian lesbians kissing.

WELL I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY NOW

You know, for two Japanese chicks pressed butt naked against each other, that is an exceedingly prudish kiss they're sharing.

SLaitila · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 408

I just don't like when the girls are hairy down there.

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Venter Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 258

I just don't like when the girls are hairy down there.

AMEN!

Mastertran · Prattler Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 174

I just named Ethiopia because I like the name anything is more funny with Ethiopia.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

Sorry, Ebony... YUO LOZ3 AT T3H INTARW3B!

Seriously, if you pay a little more attention in class, you'll see that Chit-Chat is for discussions about furrydom and, typically, it's horrors. Chit-Chat is basically the main posting area for all things relevant to the nature of CYD. Off-Topic is for anything else. Bear in mind, the general definition of "furry" is not as loose around here. I don't think I'm out of place in saying that most here would not consider Gargoyles to be furry. So, to educate by examples:

Chit-Chat: OMG! I just saw a post on SheezyArt where someone bought the new Gargoyles DVD set and took webcam pics of them fapping along with it while drawing Brooklyn/Bronx spooge!

Off-Topic: The Gargoyles DVD set just came out.

Get with the program, kid. You're making this harder than it is. Somewhere in imaginary space, your CYD counterpart is sitting there, trying to make his VCR clock stop blinking "12:00" while talking for the sake of hearing his own voice.:D

Uh, why is an off topic thread gone 6 pages (to my surprise from the last time I was on here) and received a series of very long Theses?

Way to turn dumb random shit into really long winded stupid shit.

Get back on topic. :roll:

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Uh... why are you even digging that up? I already stated I was pissy because you have a talent for preying on my pet peeves and admitted I was out of line. Get over it, man... that post is sooooooo last week.

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 631

Belongs in Off-Topic.