Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Quatrewolf · Coadjutor Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 72

And that would be if the person was forging their name on your work and was selling it to a business without you getting any profits for it one bit.

Now,I'm not talking crap like vore,scat,multi penises or badly drawn five second scribbles,but the good-quality art that is very rare. Of course,people who have their noses high in the air just because their hot shit artwork got them fans,they begin to act like gods. God forbid,you wanted to use the artwork for a journal layout because it looked nice. To them it's just 'OMGART THEFT!!111' and they're little toadies be reminding you to ask for permission just for something idle like an icon or wallpaper. It's not like they're selling it or anything.

I have no idea why so many idiots go around screaming about somebody stealing their artwork and then going to threaten them with the law(aka internet service).

I believe that the artist shouldn't go around doing such when they were the ones who decided to upload it online in the first place. That's just like a green light for people to 'save as'.

And it's not just in the furry fandom,it's in the anime fandom also,which in case is stupid since most of the shit is fanart based on copyrighted characters they don't own.

Point being,don't yell out 'theif' when noones not making money off of it.

Hope that made sense. :roll:

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

It doesn't matter that no-one's making money off it, you wouldn't want someone taking your new sports car for a spin and using it to pick up girls would you?

I generally don't mind people using my art but it is only polite to ask first, I for one would like to know where my art is going and how it's being used as well as credit, it's not too much to ask is it?

Quatrewolf · Coadjutor Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 72

I generally don't mind people using my art but it is only polite to ask first, I for one would like to know where my art is going and how it's being used as well as credit, it's not too much to ask is it?

Well,I wouldn't care much,even though my artistic skills suck ass,but if I were better and it was being used for something like a layout,icon,wallpaper or even parody. I wouldn't care and will probably be happy that atleast someone noticed it.

Although,if used for blackmail or such related things,then I would be angry.

Charisma · Venter Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 234

I've always with held my own opinion on art theft as I don't know how I'd feel until it actually happened to me, whether money was involved or not.

Chris Baird · Prattler Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 133

I've always with held my own opinion on art theft as I don't know how I'd feel until it actually happened to me, whether money was involved or not.

It happened to me, 'and it was great' ... I used to be an editor and writer of the alt.tv.simpsons Episode 'Capsules'/Synopses that you'll find these days on snpp.com. Large swathes of the stuff I wrote were used in the book 'The Simpsons: A Complete Guide to Our Favorite Family', which made Ray Richmond rather rich. I and the other capsule writers got strip-mined, but Richmond did something I consider as 'postive-sum wealth'-- our loss was more than way offset by the benefit to the millions of other Simpsons fans who bought the book. Lawsuet Richmond for damages^H^H^Hmoney, or get the copyright-infringing book pulled and pulped? Why? Writing the Capsules was very much a self-indulgent hobby with no real value (*cough* does that remind you of anything?), but by 'chance' it became useful to other people. Sweet.

Another bit of self-indulgence of mine that paid-off was a simple text editor ('Ersatz Emacs') I put together from ages-old public domain code. I guess I've spent about 300 hours working on it. (If any ignorant tard here wants to argue that artistic creatively is totally different from programming creatively, go fuck yourself with the prismacolors you don't know how to use properly.) Of course it (remained) open-source. Now, it's being used as a basis for other better editors on hardware like Psion PDAs (http://dbrechalov.narod.ru/library/Soft4Psion/english.htm, http://sourceforge.net/projects/eemacs/) ... Thanks to Dimitri open-sourcing his code as well, if I ever find the motivation to work on Ersatz again, one of the first things I'll do is roll in his internationalization handling. Win.

imho, the Hysteria over Copyright is just one of those Furry Artist meme things, that, like, you're supposed to do, just like all the other Real Furry Artists... zOMG!

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

Another bit of self-indulgence of mine that paid-off was a simple text editor ('Ersatz Emacs') I put together from ages-old public domain code.

...great. Am I going to be assraped for taking your public domain code and making an OSX build with braindead installer, or worse, for extending cdplay?

...if so, we'll spar at dawn!

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

Well,I wouldn't care much,even though my artistic skills suck ass,but if I were better and it was being used for something like a layout,icon,wallpaper or even parody. I wouldn't care and will probably be happy that atleast someone noticed it.
.

Yeah, that's what people who suck usually say.

Quatrewolf · Coadjutor Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 72

Yeah, that's what people who suck usually say.

No,really! I mean for an icon or wallpaper,I don't see what the fuss is all about. :? And online,most people couldn't give a fuck about copyrights.

Why do you think people get away with fanfics and fanart of somebody else's work without permission? Plus let's not get into 4chan while we're at it! :lol:

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1030

I've always with held my own opinion on art theft as I don't know how I'd feel until it actually happened to me, whether money was involved or not.

It happened to me, 'and it was great' ...

I'd agree with just about all of this, however the only difference is its one thing if someone used your work, makes money off it and cites you as the source and; using your work, claiming its thiers, and making money off it. Cause typically you have to have your name out all the time so that people start knowing who you are.

This is why for ex. its good for a band to get on a compilation even if they dont get much money for it, because people get to hear them and potentially like them. You can apply this to mp3s, also. I download lots of music, I also buy lots of music, buy merchandise, and go to lots of shows.

If the creator doesnt care, like in your case, thats cool. You never intended making money off of it, and Im sure its nice to sit back knowing to yourself that quite a few people are reading your stuff. But I can't exactly blame people for feeling otherwise in that particular type of situation.

Furry artists and all this other stuff there really isnt money to be made, but making money off work that isnt yours without permission is fucked up regardless. Granted a creator can rarely do anything about it (or so it seems).

If a corp. like Disney ripped you off or something and its very clear thats what happened - that doesn't really mean shit, cuz they'll fight you tooth and nail in court dragging thier heels till they've made thier money on it and it doesnt affect them heavily if they lose later on.

People bitching about personal use like wallpaper, icons, etc... that is just fucking dumb.

Chris Baird · Prattler Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 133

...great. Am I going to be assraped for taking your public domain code and making an OSX build with braindead installer, or worse, for extending cdplay?

Err... I actually wrote one of the first cdplays, as a debugging tool...
(See http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-bugs/1997/12/11/0001.html)

As for assraping, David Lawrence went on to do that with 'microemacs' anyway. :P

No,really! I mean for an icon or wallpaper,I don't see what the fuss is all about

I remember a while back that some kid-artist on the VCL discovered their drawings had been made into a 'mainstream' WinAmp skin (with attribution, too). Oh Noes! You've Gotta Delete It Now!!!111 It would've been a plus a few points for popularizing their art to a general audience, but instead went minus 20 for demonstrating how idiotically whiney furry artists over something most normal people would've accepted as a good thing, particularly since their work was definitely in the 'worthless self-indulgent' category..

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

Why do you think people get away with fanfics and fanart of somebody else's work without permission? Plus let's not get into 4chan while we're at it! :lol:

They get away with it because copyright, at the end of the day, is about protecting the economic interests of the copyright holder. Someone copy your art without your permission? Clear copyright violation. Do something about it other than maybe ask whoever did it not to do it again? Nope, there won't be any lawsuit happening unless there's an actual (and relatively speaking big) economic loss involved.