Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Banrai · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 314

...At first, I thought this was some huge joke or something, along the lines of the furries4jesus movement thing. Then I went to the site, and realized these people are serious:

http://furrsfurchrist.com/

...WTF? Haven't we got enough people out there that are all "NO YIFF" and whatever? I mean, I can understand completely liking clean art. But dragging religion into it so that everything is 'JESUS LOVES YOU"? Uhm, no. I'm just waiting to see a page pop up that says "You must convert to look at this art" or something.

And I only say that because I know one of the people that are admining that site. That's how I found out about it.

...But then again, I want to post this link to KAK and let her have some fun with them. :)

~edit~

As a note, I'm not saying I HATE anyone. I just blame Christians for a lot of crap.
After all, one of my good freiends (well.. ex-freidns, something like that) is a member. *shrugs* I don't know. Whatever.

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

"Furrs Fur Christ." I cannot say that phrase out loud with a straight face. I feel the need to add an umlaut over one of those u's. (That and I seen "furs" and "furres" but never "furrs.")

As for a clean furr art gallery with a Christian theme, it doesn't surprise me. Hey, I'm Christian. Maybe I should join this gallery and draw nothing but bloody furry pics of Jesus and other martyrs. I'm sure it would fit right in.

Anencephalic Baby Jesus · Rasophore Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 69

Maybe I should join this gallery and draw nothing but bloody furry pics of Jesus and other martyrs

So what kind of cute, yiffy animal would Jesus be, then? An otter? How about the disciples?

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

It's funny to hear of furry religion.

It's almost sad to hear of "furry pride."

I'm not sure what it is when you decide being Christian and furry are inseperable.

Looking at the archive, however, being Christian apparently doesn't stop you from uploading you're typical scraggly furry images of emo teen furs.. the only difference between this and VCL being that you don't have giant hermcocks and dicknipples.

Seriously.. it looks like pretty much any other furry community.. only're they're listening to Songs 4 Worship instead of Insane Clown Posse or something. Instead of being condescending to folks because they're not in touch with their animal spirits, they just get to be condescending to folks not as in touch with the word of God or something.

Still, if you gotta do something furry, I guess furry Christians >> Diaperfurs any day.

Still, when did it cease to be enough to simply be a furry fan? Now you gotta be a burned fur, or a gayfur, or a diaperfur, or an Xianfur, or a footfur, or a macrofur, or an applefur. There was a time when getting together because you liked anthro animals was enough. Now you can't just get together for that... you've gotta be all furry, AND into playing Counterstrike on a LAN... or into knitting... or Civil War reinactments or crap.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

I think it's kind of sweet.

Don't get me wrong, it's just that given the odd association I have to give them respect for even existing. If it were yet another site devoted to fetishes? Sure. More fetishes? Okay. Christianity? Uhh... ummm... wow. Now that's alternative to alternative.

My only observation is that there can't be much in the way of overwrought angst art on there; if they've accepted Jesus into their heart as their Lord and Saviour, so that he may fill them with an everlasting peace and comfort in the knowledge that his love is always with them in even the most trying times, then why would they be so down?

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

Maybe I should join this gallery and draw nothing but bloody furry pics of Jesus and other martyrs

So what kind of cute, yiffy animal would Jesus be, then? An otter? How about the disciples?

Duh, he'd be a lion. I suppose his disciples could then be a cornucopia of other animals which furrs consider attractive.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

What.. not the sweet, succulent Lamb of God?

Xarai · Apocrisiary Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 44

Still, when did it cease to be enough to simply be a furry fan? Now you gotta be a burned fur, or a gayfur, or a diaperfur, or an Xianfur, or a footfur, or a macrofur, or an applefur. There was a time when getting together because you liked anthro animals was enough. Now you can't just get together for that... you've gotta be all furry, AND into playing Counterstrike on a LAN... or into knitting... or Civil War reinactments or crap.

That's simple to explain sociologically. Furry fandom is well past the Law of 150, so in order to use the fandom as a social net furries had to make subcommunities.

It just so happened that these communities formed mostly around fetishes. Draw your own conclusions.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Hmmm... maybe that's part of what we're seeing with furrydom on the whole. Instead of furrydom drawing in fetish freaks that have little to do with furry stuff... and becoming largely populated by the folks that are there for the fetish and not so much for the fur...... maybe what we've seen is such a subdivision among people that are into furries that the different subgroups become more prominent than the thing that originally brought them all together.

So, instead of the "true" furries being outnumbered by the freaks... you have a large mass of furry fans that have become so involved with their respective subgroups that the whole furrything is simply taken for granted... almost forgotten.

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

The way I see it, people will have more than one interest or lifestyle. By finding others who have a similar collection of interests (even if these interests don't relate to eachother) people feel even more of a sense of belonging. Therefore, it's only a matter of time before these combine into a group.

Let's say two people come together and find that they both enjoy the winter sport of Curling and both happen to be Methodist. They form a group and it's the formation of the Methodist Curling Association.

This is why today we see Christian Kinglons, Mormon hockey teams, Babyfurs, lesbian writers, and whatnot. But someone does not easily get brought into another interest if they don't like it. I for example am an SNK fan but I also like anthropomorphics. I know I'm not going to drag a fellow SNK fan into the furry scene if they don't like it, but we can still talk about King of Fighters.

I think if a "true" furry is involved in a subgroup such as SNK Furs or whatever, I think it would be hard for said furry to forget furry itself since it has been established as a subgroup of an equally prominent if not more prominent interest.

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

OK, a fandom develops subdivisions according to other interests that can be coupled with that fandom... but why did so many furry subcommunities define themselves according to sexual kink? Yeah, sex is good and important and all, but you'd think there'd be more things like model train builder furries, or tennis playing furries or whatever... there's not that much of that type of thing around AFAIK. And there's just so many totally wigged-out kinks (vore, macro, taur etc) in furrydumb that you don't see much in other art-based fandoms (again, AFAIK).

RailFoxen · Venter Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 251

The iPod that displays pictures. The Pepsi with the taste of lemon. The cake with the ice cream inside. We like to glue our favorite things together. With mixed results. So it was natural this had to come to pass.

But if they speak out against homosexuality or sexual deviancy... they're in the wrong goddamned fandom.

Fugitive · Qualificator Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 4

OK, a fandom develops subdivisions according to other interests that can be coupled with that fandom... but why did so many furry subcommunities define themselves according to sexual kink?

Perhaps it was simply for lack of anything else to act as a subdivider.

Even if you go back to the mythical Golden Age when it was all about the comics and art, what would separate any particular fan from any other? Dividing by comics titles and artist wouldn't really work since individually they're too narrow and there's a a lot of overlap (people usually like more than just one title or artist) that doesn't really subdivide well.

Dividing by genre just boils down to a small handful of specific titles and artists again, and overlaps with standard SF/soap-opera/fantasy/etc. genres enough to lose some distinctiveness. This one might have had a chance in the long run as more material was produced and if more subgenres had arisen (something along the lines of anime's 'giant robots' and 'geek with harem' and so on), but the fetishists simply got there and grabbed all the attention first.

Xarai · Apocrisiary Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 44

OK, a fandom develops subdivisions according to other interests that can be coupled with that fandom... but why did so many furry subcommunities define themselves according to sexual kink?

How about Mark Merlino?

This is the way the group of people that Merlino wanted to recruit were already divided. It'd make sense that when furrydom became too large (passing the so-called Law of 150 that dictates the upper bound of community size) the new recruits simply split off into "their personal fetish + furry" subcommunities.

The only thing I'm wondering about is Ken Sample. Perhaps someone can answer this. Did he start doing his macro furry art before or after Mark Merlino arrived?

AngryPuritan · Vociferator Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 399

I think he has been filling that niche for a good while before Merlino. In fact, it's a theory that on the east coast, macro things came before the less weird furry stuff.

Gargoyle · Vociferator Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 387

http://www.godhatesfurries.com

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I think his cock ring is too tight.... peepee turned bloo.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

...At first, I thought this was some huge joke or something, along the lines of the furries4jesus movement thing. Then I went to the site, and realized these people are serious:

http://furrsfurchrist.com/

...WTF? Haven't we got enough people out there that are all "NO YIFF" and whatever? I mean, I can understand completely liking clean art. But dragging religion into it so that everything is 'JESUS LOVES YOU"? Uhm, no. I'm just waiting to see a page pop up that says "You must convert to look at this art" or something.

And I only say that because I know one of the people that are admining that site. That's how I found out about it.

...But then again, I want to post this link to KAK and let her have some fun with them. :)

Wow, pardon the pun, but, Heaven forbid anybody interested in this anthropomorphic stuff could actually be, gasp, a (Christian) too.

What is this world coming to.

But seriously (to be fair), what bother's you more the fact they are furry, or the fact that they are Christians. Either way, it seems to be in fashion today to make fun of either.

Frankly, I see no harm if people want to combine common interest as a source of internet socialization. Afterall, this joint wouldn't exist if there weren't people in need of like minded yammering.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

Still, when did it cease to be enough to simply be a furry fan? Now you gotta be a burned fur, or a gayfur, or a diaperfur, or an Xianfur, or a footfur, or a macrofur, or an applefur. There was a time when getting together because you liked anthro animals was enough. Now you can't just get together for that... you've gotta be all furry, AND into playing Counterstrike on a LAN... or into knitting... or Civil War reinactments or crap.

Furry or all anti furry. Seriously, I frankly don't see the difference between nuts like you describe and the whole point this group was created for in the first place. Think about it? What keeps everyone here, here?

Me, amusement to see what pointless topic people feel the need to point out in a train wreck fashion. But I frankly see little difference of any other furry community or any anti-furry community since the common thread that seems to keep them together is, FURRY (Man, what a stupid word that is).

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

Hmmm... maybe that's part of what we're seeing with furrydom on the whole. Instead of furrydom drawing in fetish freaks that have little to do with furry stuff... and becoming largely populated by the folks that are there for the fetish and not so much for the fur...... maybe what we've seen is such a subdivision among people that are into furries that the different subgroups become more prominent than the thing that originally brought them all together.

So, instead of the "true" furries being outnumbered by the freaks... you have a large mass of furry fans that have become so involved with their respective subgroups that the whole furrything is simply taken for granted... almost forgotten.

Wow, that's like, a lot of thought put towards something that is basically centered around cartoon talking animals.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

OK, a fandom develops subdivisions according to other interests that can be coupled with that fandom... but why did so many furry subcommunities define themselves according to sexual kink?

How about Mark Merlino?

This is the way the group of people that Merlino wanted to recruit were already divided. It'd make sense that when furrydom became too large (passing the so-called Law of 150 that dictates the upper bound of community size) the new recruits simply split off into "their personal fetish + furry" subcommunities.

The only thing I'm wondering about is Ken Sample. Perhaps someone can answer this. Did he start doing his macro furry art before or after Mark Merlino arrived?

Isn't there a law or something about involking the name of Merlino into a conversation? Like, aren't people supposed to take a drink or something now? :?:

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

Hmmm... maybe that's part of what we're seeing with furrydom on the whole. Instead of furrydom drawing in fetish freaks that have little to do with furry stuff... and becoming largely populated by the folks that are there for the fetish and not so much for the fur...... maybe what we've seen is such a subdivision among people that are into furries that the different subgroups become more prominent than the thing that originally brought them all together.

So, instead of the "true" furries being outnumbered by the freaks... you have a large mass of furry fans that have become so involved with their respective subgroups that the whole furrything is simply taken for granted... almost forgotten.

Wow, that's like, a lot of thought put towards something that is basically centered around cartoon talking animals.

Shawntae... Unfortunately, it seems that the entity we identify as the furry fandom isn't centered around cartoon talking animals anymore. And it probably wasn't from the very beginning.

I always thought that the furry fandom was an evolution over subjects like WB, Disney and Hanna-Barbera cartoons to give it a more mature focusing. Like your own comics. Instead of funny animals doing slapstick-esque things, what you draw is totally different to funny cartoon animals. :)

But I digress. It seems that the primary interest on "funny animals" on furry fandom gradually faded, displaced by other, less artistic motivations.

In my opinion, furry fandom is nowadays a strange conglomerate of people. Some furries think THEY are the talking animals. Some others think it's the only oportunity they've going to have to get laid. Some others consider it the haven from mundanity and those terrible trhings such as moral rules and routine and no sex with children and all that yadda yadda. And some others think being furry is like being a punk in the 70s, or a hippy on the 60s, or a beatnick in the 50s... And nobody seems to care about it.

If the furry fandom was only about funny animals.... all I can tell you is that things would be pretty different. Bashing and mocking on furries by outer groups would be harder, since there would be less weird things to point out. The fandom would be just a specialization of something likable and enjoyable by a large portion of the population, not a little bizarre community closed to the rest of the world, as I perceive it is now. The market would probably be large enough to allow the survival of more furry comic books and anthologies... and, why not, even animated series... with an appeal not only limited to the fandom. And, should the furry fandom be only about funny animals, I think mature material would be handled much, much more discretely. We can't compare furry smut with anime porn, so trying to establish comparisons is like comparing a Chevy SUV with a Mini Cooper.

If the furry fandom was only about funny animals. I guess I'd feel comfortable on it. And I'm sure some of the people posting on this forum would, too. And we would whine less and enjoy, and produce, more. I've seen it by myself, there's a lot of talented people among the regulars on this forum.

RailFoxen · Venter Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 251

Hey, EL. Learn how to fucking work the boards, man.

And further, learn to read in context.

Christian furries, hell, more power to 'em. I'll take RHJunior's inane and longwinded posts over pagan furry bullshit any day of the week. And further most furries whose works appear on these boards - you know, the ones that make the actual fans feel weird - certainly wouldn't be here if they had some God to tell them how fucked in their heads they are. What is being commented on, impartially I should add, is the strange combination of religion/lifestyle/kink and furry that appears in this group. Now, not in reply to anyone in particular...

The furry fandom is, in general, decidedly anti-Christian. If this so-tolerant group of people hates anything, it hates the Christians. Largely in part to the work done by Fred Phelps, Bob Jones, Jerry Falwell, and the like, many furries - homosexual furries in particular, which makes up, uh, how much of the fandom? - feel persecution of the tin-foil-hat style at the hands of Moral Majority.

I mean, for fuck's sake, mentioning a fictional encounter with Fundies in the Nurple will encourage the cool gay kids to roleplay gang beating Jesus. 'You do that? OK, I'll hold him down, too!' Counting the numbers of furries fired from their jobs 'because their bosses were Christian'? Counting those ostracized from their families 'because Mom and Dad were Christian'? Furries blame a lot of shit on Christianity.

Furry Christian groups are thus rare and small. An oddity, an abberration that begs a closer look and an explanation. Are they somehow more sane than the subculture they've associated themselves with? Or are they less, for doing so? And what do they do? Are they the kind, caring and welcoming souls Jesus wanted them to be? Or are they the insane evangelist Bible-thumping reborn Christians? Do they set a good example?

These answers and more! on the next episode of...

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

Hey, EL. Learn how to fucking work the boards, man.

And further, learn to read in context.

Christian furries, hell, more power to 'em. I'll take RHJunior's inane and longwinded posts over pagan furry bullshit any day of the week. And further most furries whose works appear on these boards - you know, the ones that make the actual fans feel weird - certainly wouldn't be here if they had some God to tell them how fucked in their heads they are. What is being commented on, impartially I should add, is the strange combination of religion/lifestyle/kink and furry that appears in this group. Now, not in reply to anyone in particular...

The furry fandom is, in general, decidedly anti-Christian. If this so-tolerant group of people hates anything, it hates the Christians. Largely in part to the work done by Fred Phelps, Bob Jones, Jerry Falwell, and the like, many furries - homosexual furries in particular, which makes up, uh, how much of the fandom? - feel persecution of the tin-foil-hat style at the hands of Moral Majority.

I mean, for fuck's sake, mentioning a fictional encounter with Fundies in the Nurple will encourage the cool gay kids to roleplay gang beating Jesus. 'You do that? OK, I'll hold him down, too!' Counting the numbers of furries fired from their jobs 'because their bosses were Christian'? Counting those ostracized from their families 'because Mom and Dad were Christian'? Furries blame a lot of shit on Christianity.

Furry Christian groups are thus rare and small. An oddity, an abberration that begs a closer look and an explanation. Are they somehow more sane than the subculture they've associated themselves with? Or are they less, for doing so? And what do they do? Are they the kind, caring and welcoming souls Jesus wanted them to be? Or are they the insane evangelist Bible-thumping reborn Christians? Do they set a good example?

These answers and more! on the next episode of...

Does the continuous use of the word "fuck" make your dick bigger or something that you can't get across your point of manly view without using it?

And the question still remains, why the heck are you so darn concerned about any of this stupid crap anyway? Get off the internet and go outside and do something productive with your day and use those brain cells for something more than thinking of creative ways of using four lettered words.

Do you really realize how much more productive you could be if you weren't spending so much time on the net looking for this stupid kind of crap to then gripe about?

I can't be the only one who sees how idiotic it even is wasting brain cells on any of this fuzz ball crap? I mean, all this complaining isn't even going to remotely change any of the behavior of the freaks you talk about so, why are you really even bothering.

SLaitila · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 408

I can't be the only one who sees how idiotic it even is wasting brain cells on any of this fuzz ball crap? I mean, all this complaining isn't even going to remotely change any of the behavior of the freaks you talk about so, why are you really even bothering.

The same reason some people watch Springer?

RailFoxen · Venter Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 251

Does the continuous use of the word "fuck" make your dick bigger or something that you can't get across your point of manly view without using it?

Sand in your vagina? Nah, I kid, you're a good person, really, top notch.

And the question still remains, why the heck are you so darn concerned about any of this stupid crap anyway? Get off the internet and go outside and do something productive with your day and use those brain cells for something more than thinking of creative ways of using four lettered words.

One may ask the same of you... minus the latter clause. I USE BIG WERDS! And clearly no concept of 'tone', 'voice', or anything that traditional comic book writers understand and make use of! Hey, why don't you go outside? No? Well, it seems we're at an impasse!

Call it RailFoxen's Law. The longer a thread progress, the greater the likelihood Ebonyleopard will attempt to defend and derail it.

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

Ebonyleopard, it can't have escaped you that at least part of the furry fandom isn't about cartoon animals, even though the cartoon animals are still there... somewhere under the mudslide. Furry fandom is about a lot of fucked-up stuff that has nothing to do with cartoon animals... and still these get coupled with the fucked-up stuff. That makes it interesting (and sometimes intensely funny), that's why we're here. We're not mindlessly bashing, we're trying to figure out what went wrong where; how a fandom initially centered around cartoon animals got so severely derailed. Your "don't like it, don't deal with it" attitude goes for you, too, of course. If you think the CYD forum is such a monumental waste of time, why do you post here?

Well, what m_estrugo said.

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

So in other words.... being a plush/horse/skunk/kiddie schtupper is totally innocent and the evul, intolerant christians, parents,
media and mundanes just don't get it but attack their funny animal hobby from all sides... =)

OMG Gheysecution! I got fired from
McRatBurgers for wearing my bottomless
leatherpants and hat at work! YUO
MUNDANES! WORLD SHALL FEEL THE
WRATH OF MY BUTTOCKS!
Can anyone imagine these gents goin to church like dat tho?

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

See, Ebony can't be bothered to actually learn the mechanics of the board's posting system... or be troubled to understand why we like to BS about the train wrecks of the fandom as casual entertainment... because he is far too busy producing intellectually stimulating works of art. Seriously, guys, maybe he has a point in trying to educate us as to how we waste our timewith silly cartoon animals when we could be doing much more meaningful things. Clearly, he has all the answers.

Maybe it's time to fold our little house of cards here and put our heads together on much more timely and meaningful pursuits. Say, I have it, chaps! Why don't we use our energies for good and make a furry comic that rips off.. er.. draws heavily from Marvel's now defunct New Universe line. I see Justice as an arctic fox with a mullet. We could call him Just-Ice. And Starbrand strikes me as a hyena type. We'll give him an original name like.. hmm... Starrbrand sounds good.

And if we really want to make good use of our time, we'll make him a macro with a big, pink penis.

I feel like a new man already. Thanks for showing us the error of our ways by your shining example and teaching us the true meaning of Christmas.

Seriously, and with all due respect E.L., you gotta bear in mind that few of us here take this seriously. This is idle entertainment. It's not life or death. As you said, it IS cartoon animals. You find some enterainment at drawing furry comics and cavorting with furries, and we find some entertainment at mocking furry comics and cavorting furries. Theorizing how people banded together to hybridize furries and Christianity.. two things that seem to mix like oil and water... is hardly a feat of mental exertion. As I've tried to convey to you before.. apparently with little success.. the discussions here are the kind of off-the-cuff crap you hear people BS-ing about in bars. It's like a debate on whether or not a Star Destroyer could kick the U.S.S. Enterprise's butt. You can't take this place at face value. We think of this stuff about as intensely as Tim Allen at a performance of Swan Lake.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 473

To return to the Furrs Fur Christ.... apparently we hate them, which logically means:

Please dont let that discourage you or anybody who reads that. It shows that you are truly making a difference though your work and Satan is just trying to get at ya.

God is always first then Satan comes and pervert!

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

I've actualy thought about (and this is no lie) utilizing Ebony Leopard's posting style to up my post count.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

As I've tried to convey to you before.. apparently with little success.. the discussions here are the kind of off-the-cuff crap you hear people BS-ing about in bars. It's like a debate on whether or not a Star Destroyer could kick the U.S.S. Enterprise's butt. You can't take this place at face value. We think of this stuff about as intensely as Tim Allen at a performance of Swan Lake.

As I posted in another thread, Boba Fett's Slave 1 personal craft could be enough to fight the Enterprise to a draw at the very least, but most likely to a win. This is true no matter how you rearrange the variables, what source material you use for the comparison or how you outfit the two ships using their respective technologies. It wouldn't even matter you used the powerful Defiant, the Tri-cobalt armed Voyager or a different Enterprise.

One exception might be the alternate-continuity future Enterprise shown in the TNG series finale, with the Warp 13 capable engines and the huge dorsal cannon running down the underside of the saucer section. Still, all that extra power and technology would only give a better chance against the Slave 1. It wouldn't have prayer against a lowely Empirial troop transport, let alone a Star Destroyer.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

To return to the Furrs Fur Christ.... apparently we hate them, which logically means:

Please dont let that discourage you or anybody who reads that. It shows that you are truly making a difference though your work and Satan is just trying to get at ya.

God is always first then Satan comes and pervert!

I personaly don't see how anyone could really hate Christian furries. Be puzzled and surprised that they exist, maybe... but I couldn't hate them. I, uh.. sort of like them :oops:

oh crap, man... you warned me I'd catch a fetish. I just see this one coming over me now :wink:

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 473

I've actualy thought about (and this is no lie) utilizing Ebony Leopard's posting style to up my post count.

You do.... and I'll give you SUCH a PINCH!

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 180

To return to the Furrs Fur Christ.... apparently we hate them

I almost died when I noticed that the user Anoki on that forum has the same avatar as the following image, just without the "GAY" tag. :) I'd never seen this image without it..

I've actualy thought about (and this is no lie) utilizing Ebony Leopard's posting style to up my post count.

skunkfuckers,its better than using collins' posting style..i know you've hated me like a moose in a rowboat,and for that I salute you!..only you would think of performing such acts in a tree violated by pen caps and Eric Schwartz DA Ebonyleopard all dont know the meaning of gifts anytime thusrday!!....anyway I have spies and know what you are posting befor even the planet shampoo apple money dishwasher comes to down...ITS A STRANGE INVITATION..youre a horrible failure and frothy hatred goes towards paying my taxes SO GET A JOB YOU FILTHY HIPPIE!!!!!...i love you all and wish you a merry christmas.. (Sub)

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

To return to the Furrs Fur Christ.... apparently we hate them, which logically means:

I dunno about anyone else, but I don't personally hate them. Emotionwise, I'm not much of anything other than apathetically curious. I just wonder at why anyone feels compelled to hybridize Christianity and furry fandom. I mean, some things just don't really relate to each other.. and it seems to me that creating such exclusivity blocks out a lot of folks you might otherwise want to meet. Of course, a lot of Christian history has been founded on the concept of exclusivity.

I'm left-handed and Buddhist. I'm certainly not going to found a board for left-handed Buddhists, though. There's a point at which subculturism just gets silly.

On the upshot, though, I can see how it would give furry fans a place to talk about anthros where your usual crowds of Wiccans, goths, and such aren't likely to congregate. Still, the whole thing just seems kind of silly. But I certainly wouldn't assert that I hate them. Then again, in this day and age, thinking something is silly is often equated to hate and intolerance.

All the same... if they want to sit around in fursuits and listen to Songs 4 Worship.. more power to 'em.

RailFoxen · Venter Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 251

In the last episode of CYD, our heroes collided with a mysterious group of religious aliens with motives unknown! Could they be reasoned with? Just what were they? Tensions swelled with the group as Ebonyleopard attempted to take command! The action intensified as Goku changed a lightbulb! And the truth was revealed: Spiderman will make you gay! And now, the next thrilling part of CYD!

Please dont let that discourage you or anybody who reads that. It shows that you are truly making a difference though your work and Satan is just trying to get at ya.

Satan had me fired from my retail job. He controls the DEMONcrats, who try to replace CHRIST with the GAY AGENDA! DON'T LET THEM WIN!

God is always first then Satan comes and pervert!

But... we were here first.

I'm honestly sad to see this. It makes one wonder if any of these posters actually read this thread before passing judgement. As such, shame. No more or less rational in their beliefs and behavior than the typical lifestyler pagan. Of which we have more than enough to go around.

SATAN! SATAN!

Edit: What Zen said. And our avatars look really stupid next to each other.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Please dont let that discourage you or anybody who reads that. It shows that you are truly making a difference though your work and Satan is just trying to get at ya.

I assume this "work" is the creation of the board??? And the difference made is.... what... instead of portraying all furries as folks standing around, vapidly waving their arms in time to some rave music as people in fursuits walk onstage, we get to see that some of them are people that stand around in this kind of daze (seriously... have you ever seen footage from a Christian "rock" concert??.. they all look like they're trippin... I'Z FREEBASIN' THE HOLY SPIRIT!!) at Stryper concerts before going home and wanking to Sonic porn?

I'm honestly sad to see this. It makes one wonder if any of these posters actually read this thread before passing judgement.

Christians passing judgement!!! Surely you jest, good sir!

As such, shame. No more or less rational in their beliefs and behavior than the typical lifestyler pagan. Of which we have more than enough to go around.

It's small wonder the behavior of some Christians turned my wife away from the organized church.

No offense to Christians on the whole, of course. As Mother Theresa once said, any way that people find their way to "God" is a good way. (i.e., if you find faith in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, etc... it's all good) The ideals of Christianity are all well and good. But the execution of these ideals at the hands of the modern church... well... it's a little souring. So, when people band together under a concept of "Christian" anything.. Christian furries.. Christian bowlers.. Christian auto mechanics..... it just smacks a bit too much of some group that's just likely to start trouble.

Hopefully, these guys can maintain Christian ideals, and we won't be seeing posts pop up on there about how the gay population in furrydom has to be run out because they're all sinners and crap.

I guess when I said it seems silly to mix furrydom and Christianity with such focus... I didn't really mean it's like VCL silly or generally worthy-of-derision silly. It's just... fun silly. Furry Christianity is like..... a Hotei buddha with a clock in it's belly kind of silly.

Edit: What Zen said. And our avatars look really stupid next to each other.

Someone once posted that pic and said I was reminding them of whoever that is. It was kind of funny to see it pop back up as someone's avatar by chance.

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

If there's a thing I find striking is that... nowadays... not agreeing, or being unable to understand others' points of view / tastes / opinions / sexual fetishes means you HATE them and thus, you deserve being banned / shunned / shut up / burned to ashes for being a fascist / bigot / fundamentalist / satan/ racist /naaaziii.

Ummm... isn't this mental scheme a little primitive?

Kadius · Vociferator Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 637

Christian furries... I have to agree with Skunkfuckers on this one, I'm shocked there's such a group. Considering that furries represent alot of bad/unhealthy/amoral things. As for hating them. We don't really have a reason to hate them unless they come over here and start trying to shove christianity down our throats. We were operating just fine seperately before this thread was started.

From what I read in their forum, some of them are apparently the type of zealots that condemn things before they know anything about them. Saying they're worried about us and are going to pray for us. Christian furs, I don't need your prayers. Buddhists can save themselves. :wink: But do whatever you want.

SATAN! SATAN!.

That's the greatest thing ever. :mrgreen:

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

If there's a thing I find striking is that... nowadays... not agreeing, or being unable to understand others' points of view / tastes / opinions / sexual fetishes means you HATE them and thus, you deserve being banned / shunned / shut up / burned to ashes for being a fascist / bigot / fundamentalist / satan/ racist /naaaziii.

Something I had a hard time making my family understand when I was growing up was that I would comment on something without passing judgement on it. Typically.. it was an observation.. such as, "This has a lot of cumin in it." It was hard to make them understand what I wasn't saying it was bad or good.. just that that was my observation.

To put it another way, I'm often not a glass is "half full" or "half empty" kind of person... I'm often an "it is a glass of water" person. Of course, I could get all Zen and say something like... "What is emptiness? What is fullness? Are they not one in the same? It is the emptiness in a bowl that makes it useful. Be like the bowl, grasshopper. Be full of emptiness."

I think that's something people don't remember these days... or choose to ignore... that it's possible to hold a differing opinion.. or even disagree with an opinion... without really having any feeling about the other person one way or another. For example, it often seems condescending to hear someone say they'll "pray for you." Sometimes it is. Sometimes it translates to "You don't have the kind of close-knit connections I have with God, so I'll put in a good word for you." To me, this is along the same lines as the thought of "no one gets to God except through Christ." That always sounds like you have to be in good with bouncer to get in to the nightclub. And what about all of those people that lived before Christianity? Or those who live in remote parts of Africa or South America that have never even heard of such a thing. Do they mean to suggest they're condemned because they didn't get on good terms with the J-man?

Many times, however, it simply means the person will be thinking of you and hoping whatever issues they're "praying" about will turn out well. My wife's father is undergoing treatment for cancer, so I hear "I'll pray for you guys" a lot. I don't take it as an insult or condescention.. but just to mean that they hope it goes well. I don't honestly expect they're going to burn incense and prostrate themselves before an altar on our behalf.

Banrai · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 314

stuff about prayer.

Well, I know they're praying just for me. :/

http://furrsfurchrist.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48

This 'Saturday evening' girl is my ex-best friend. Incidentally, we went our seperate ways when I decided Christianity wasn't for me, because it was ruining my life more than helping it. Now every time we talk, it seems she finds some way to quote some bible verse or another at me. My guy and I have been having a lot or realationship problems lately, and she found out about it, I guess, from my DA journal. She and I talked a bit... But... I don't know. I feel weird about her bringing out that I need prayer. yeah, I know she didn't mention names, but damn. I don't like the religion, and I want nothing to do with it. And I'm sure that them talking to their invisible man in the sky is going to make my husband and I stop bickering.

Ironically, most of the stuff my friend writes about isn't necessiarally 'God loves YOU' it's always more of a 'LOOK HOW MUCH GOD LOVES MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEEEE'

But then, again, that's how I view most Christan stuff. Sure, i don't hate 'em, I just hate it when I get a religion I want nothing to do with shoved down my throat.

SquareMoogle · Venter Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 238

Well, they still haven't put any logical sense behind their comments about CYD. They seem to be searching for opposition and wish to throw themselves up on the cross. Against how much you would just love to get wet over it, sorry, we don't hate you. We're simply commenting on how "Christian-Fur" is in most cases an oxymoron; stop looking for / making enemies. So in summation, yay for Christian-Furs!

Banrai · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 314

Yay for Christian Furs!! or something. :)

How about some cute, yiffy goodness?

http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Creation-Warrior/mature/Sketches/furbidcomic.gif

tomcat · Qualificator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 Posts: 15

They're less creepy than multi-breasted vixens with nipple-penises, that's for sure. But I'm unable to see them as being entirely free of creepiness. Adding a pop culture fetish to pop Christianity? The potentual for them to come up with something that scares the crap out of me is very high, even if they have yet to do so. Best I can be toward them is neutral to suspicious...

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

I suppose now would be a good time to point out that there are other Christian furry sites out there. It's just that FFC seems to have gotten more attention of late.

I'm not entirely sure why people think we hate everyone we link to. Fur Pete's sake we're not POE or SA. We're CYD. We find amusement in all things of teh furre.

Kadius · Vociferator Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 637

I suppose now would be a good time to point out that there are other Christian furry sites out there.

Oh lawd. Links to christian music and lyrics. Oh wait, 'christian music' is an oxymoron.

The 'porn' wasn't very shocking. Hey, atleast there's no hermtaur foxes covered in spooge.

"Is this what you want to be drawing when Jesus comes back?!"

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

This 'Saturday evening' girl is my ex-best friend. Incidentally, we went our seperate ways when I decided Christianity wasn't for me, because it was ruining my life more than helping it. Now every time we talk, it seems she finds some way to quote some bible verse or another at me.

Those are the ones that really get me... they both irk me and creep me out at the same time. For one thing, I dislike having Christianity shoved in my face. I grew up Christian. I'm quite familiar with it, thank you. Buddhism just works better for me. My personal opinion? Both Buddha and Jesus probably walked the Earth. Personally I think one religion is about the same as another.... just the finite mind attempting to conceptualize and describe something beyond its comprehension.... with cultural differences leading to different interpretations.

And while Buddhism has had its own historical ups and downs, the message has pretty much always remained the same. I personally think the Christian religion... not the faith... but the religion suffered during the medieval period and all when the church was putting its own spin on the scriptures to maintain its power and could get away with it because the masses were largely illiterate and wouldn't be any wiser to an addtion here, a subtraction there, and a little reworking.

And those principles are alive and well today. How else does the message of "Love thy neighbor" translate to "God hates fags?"

I feel weird about her bringing out that I need prayer. yeah, I know she didn't mention names, but damn. I don't like the religion, and I want nothing to do with it.

One of the concepts that I think has been abused and convoluted is the whole idea of "witnessing" and spreading the gospel. It was always my impression that, first of all, you conveyed a Christian attitude by your deeds, and not so much your words. You embodied your faith, rather than forced it upon others. If she wants to pray for you on her own, that's her perogative and nice of her to do that. But to suggest you need prayer is egocentric, as I'm sure everyone could use a few brownie points with whatever deity exists. And if it's evident that you don't want to hear about it, pressing the issue is just damn disrespectful.

Ironically, most of the stuff my friend writes about isn't necessiarally 'God loves YOU' it's always more of a 'LOOK HOW MUCH GOD LOVES MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEEEE'

It does come off that way with a lot of them, doesn't it?

Jesus loves me more than you.
I sing that because I know it's true.
To God's way I do belong.
I am right and you are wrong.

Yes, Jesus loves ME.
Yes, Jesus loves ME.
Yes, Jesus loves ME.
The Bible tells me so.

And what's up with her cat avatar... it's like some hydrocephalic leopard fetus or something.

Oh lawd. Links to christian music and lyrics. Oh wait, 'christian music' is an oxymoron.

Nah. Hymns are Christian music, after all. I think you're thinking of Christian rock or, worse, Christian metal. If it's denounced as being a product of the devil, why are they trying to use that same tool? And what's worse is when they don't even use original songs. They rip someone else's. I passed a church a few months ago that was having a fair. At first, I thought they were playing the Beach Boys.. but then I noticed "Help me Rhonda" was actually "Help me Jesus."

I think I'd rather read a furry copy of the X-Men than listen to a Christian rip of a rock song. Hell, I'll listen to a "Kids' Bop" version before that, even.

Personally, I think being made to listen to that stuff is a reprise of the Spanish Inquisition's methods. Feet over coals... Christian rock... feet over coals.. Christian rock. Hmm.... uhm, I'll take the feet over the coals, please.

I think one of my biggest arguements with the philosophy of many uberChristians can be summed up with the concept conveyed in one such "Christian rock" song that sings "God is in control." Namely, I have a beef with those folks that seem to have no will of their own. If something bad happens, it's God's will. If something good happens, they had no hand in it.. it was God's doing. There was one girl in my graduate school like that. If she flunked a test, it was because God willed it. If she passed the test.. it was because God inspired the answers..... not because she did or didn't study. You just want to give them a refresher course on the idea of free will and "He helps those that help themselves."

It's like Dr. Phil says... "If I fall overboard in the ocean, I'll pray to God for help... but I'm gonna start swimming for shore all the same."

Still...... it beats hermtaur dicknipples. I'll applaud them for that.

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

And what's up with her cat avatar... it's like some hydrocephalic leopard fetus or something.

I've visited the thread, and, since I've got a slow dialup connection yet, the avatar downloaded pretty slowly.

The first thing I saw was this:

so I thought it was the picture of a HORSE. Doesn't it look like a horse?

So then I assumed it was a horse, so I went on to read the thread's contents while the rest of the pictures downloaded. And then, when I saw the avatar again, it showed this:

Merf! What's this? A half horse-half cat character? A cat with a huge space between the eyes? A horse with a terribly short muzzle?

And then I forgot the thing as my attention shifted towards a new font repository I found on the internet. I've got new fonts! :)

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

I grew up Christian, so I listened to a lot of Christian music as a kid. I still own every dc Talk album and I do own a Stryper album. I sort of fell out of the Christian music scene as an adolescent because it got so repetative. Nowadays I mostly listen to rock, techno, stuff from the 80's and Laibach.

A lot of Fundamentalists will consider rock to still be the tool of the devil even if it's "Christian rock". You can see this in the "Angels?" Chick Tract. I guess Jack Chick wasn't a big Stryper fan.

I'm still Christian, but I don't believe in soliciting religion. To me, "spreading the Gospel" is not about stuffing your dogma down another person's throat. It's about loving and respecting your fellow human being like Jesus did. I'm a believer in the one-mountain-many-paths philosophy. This is my belief. At least for now.

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1030

Im not Christian at all... but I do have a semi-serious question now after seeing Razi's Pr0no artwork.

Normally for most Christians, drawing porn would just be out of the question - would God make an exception for Christian furries? Cuz thats just what furries do.

Fugitive · Qualificator Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 4

I'm not Christian either, but it doesn't seem that Christianity and sex are really automatically incompatible. It's 'regulated', but perfectly acceptable between properly married men and women.

The real question is, are *depictions* of it acceptable, and despite the strong anti-nekkid-people feelings of religious groups (and heck, society in general), I'm not sure if there's really any basis in scripture for it. I certainly don't remember seeing "Thou shalt not draw dangly bits" on the big list.

At worst you could probably say that it could inspire Lust in someone, but that fault lies more in the viewer than the creator, and not every denomination is equally big on the whole 'mortal sins' thing.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

An interesting question. I think some of it may lie within where you draw the line.

On one hand, look at many of the Renaissance works. Look at the Sistine Chapel. Many religiously-inspired works feature nudity. In the artistic sense, it's a celebration of the human form... lauding the potential beauty of the form that we were given. One could even argue that depictions of sex represent a celebration of love.

On the other hand, if you are depicting stuff like bondage and such... have you crossed the line between a celebration of the human form and sexuality and denegration of it as a mere commodity? Where do go from a respectful depiction of the human.. or, in this case.. humanoid form to an image designed to inspire wanton lust? Where is the divider between celebrating the gift of human form and sexuality and wallowing in earthly excesses?

Personally, I think we're not really looking at intensely fundamentalist Christians with the Furrs fur Christ. We're just looking at a bunch of folks.. mostly kids I'd wager... who are trying to find other people to identify with. They hang out online for a while talking about being filled with the Holy Spirit and praying for us pagans and such.. and then they go over to FurryMUCK with other aliases and talk about being filled with virtual horsecock. Some of them might border on being hardcore fundies.. but I just can't buy into the idea that any furry is a dyed-in-the-wool, Bible-thumping Christian.

Bear in mind, folks like I mentioned before... that pretty much abandon free will and using their noggin to live their life in the manner of "What would Jesus order.... baked potato or fries"... aren't really living in line with the Christian spirit and the gift of free will. They're simply using their Christianity as a crutch to absolve them of having to take responsibility for their actions. My former stepsister was like that. If something bad happened.. like rear-ending a car.. it was "God's will." She was being "tested." It never occurred to her that she just did something dumb and needed to admit it. People like that don't so much embody Christian principles as they use it as an escape. They don't "live in Christ," they hide behind him.

So, I think by and large these kids are furries like anyone else. They MUCK. They draw. They jack off... oh, sorry... "paw off" to Talespin porn. They just talk about God a bit as well... maybe say a few Hail Marys as penance for having a three-way orgy with a bat and a goat.

Speaking of which, how does the whole hybridization of Man and animal in form factor in with hardcore Christianity? I mean, you can certainly be both furry and Christian. You know.. "normal" Christian. But if you lean towards a stronger mindset.. like being the type that can't discuss anything without relating it to a Bible verse.... Ned Flanders-type Christian... wouldn't the idea of a wolf man, cat person, or goat boy seem... I dunno... kind of satanic?

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 180

I think she has a touch of the downs

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 473

This I like (from that FFC thread):

I dont know how to take that site at all...Salem ( my life mate) says a friend of his had it taken down. But now its back.

Is it for real? are they furs in there fur bashing? *confused*

Banrai · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 314

This I like...

Well, DID they get CYD taken down at some point? I'm guessing, though, by your reaction, they certinly didn't.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 473

This I like...

Well, DID they get CYD taken down at some point? I'm guessing, though, by your reaction, they certinly didn't.

No, never. Maybe they mistook that spoof page I put up while I swapped hosting?

Banrai · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 314

This I like...

Well, DID they get CYD taken down at some point? I'm guessing, though, by your reaction, they certinly didn't.

No, never. Maybe they mistook that spoof page I put up while I swapped hosting?

More than likely possible.

H'mm. My friend is apparantly very 'hurt' by ny posting the link.

Everyone all together now,

AWWWW

No, seriousley. If someone's going to have a site so rediculous, it's GOING to get made fun of.

"God is good. Suffering has a purpose.
Today I cried harder than I have in some months, for my heart was broken again (I'm that fragile), my trust betrayed (that naive), my hope shattered (that desperate to believe in the good part of everyone). But I say hallelujah, for God is in control, and he will make me stronger through this.
I will pray for her every day of my life."

OHMYGOD. WOMAN. IF YOUR RELIGION IS RETARDED I WILL MAKE FUN OF IT. IF YOU ARE RETARDED, I WILL MAKE FUN OF YOU.

*steam*

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Apparently, even being a Christian doesn't stop a furry from being a drama whore. In fact, looking at their thread, it almost increases the chances of developing a persecution complex.

For the record for those over there reading this, I think Christianity is a great faith.. but it's not the only faith. There are many others that are just as good and valid. Personally, however, I become increasingly disgusted with the Christian religion as it becomes twisted at the hands of Mankind. As a Cherokee friend of mine once put it, though.. "Religion is a product of Man. Faith is a product of God." So, I have no beef with the faith. It's the religion as a product of Man that has turned me away from it.

As a Buddhist, seriously, I don't disbelieve in the idea of God and Jesus. I think both Jesus and Siddartha (the person typically referred to as Buddha.. though there are actually many Buddhas or "enlightened ones") walked the Earth. I think there is something divine out there.. but Christianity does not have the exclusive definition of it. God, Allah, Shiva, Native American deities..... all are pretty much human attempts to describe whatever it is that is out there. One definition is no more right or wrong than another.

I don't have anything against Christian furries as people. For my own part in this thread... I just find the idea of narrowing the commonalities you have with a social group down to Christianity AND furrydom to be silly... like I said.. like a Buddha statue with a clock in the belly... or a hat that holds your beers so you can drink it through straws.... THAT kind of silly. It's like forming a club limited to people that are into Neon Genesis Evangelion AND allergic to peanuts.

Still, anyone that can form a furry club that doesn't focus on diapers or hermtaurs or dicknipples gets my seal of approval... as long as they're, like, just Average Joe Christian.. not "gays and lesbians are an affront to God and nature" type Christians. Then I gotta break out the Louisville Slugger.

Until then....

PEACE AND LOVE!

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

As for what Zen Zhu said about religion, personaly I don't believe in any sort of god or supernatural beings. sure there is room for things that we can't know about yet, but to worship the unknown as a religion or ascribe it as being something 'greater' than -and thus having power over- the individual self is just something I can't get behind.

that said, having grown up exposed to some exceptionaly fundamentalist Christian doctrines, even though I'm functionally an atheist* I still have a sympathetic ear to Christianity. If they're okay people otherwise, it's cool with me.

*I say "functionally and atheist" because I don't consider myself to be one, I simply don't believe in god. It seems atheists are following a set of beliefs of their own, whereas for me religion just isn't an issue.

I think she has a touch of the downs

GET UP, COME ON GET DOWN WITH THE SICKNESS
YOU MOTHER GET UP COME ON GET DOWN WITH THE SICKNESS
YOU FUCKER GET UP COME ON GET DOWN WITH THE SICKNESS
MADNESS IS THE GIFT THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME

This also reminds me of a public service message that used to run on local TV, urging people to be "Up With Downs". Kind of like being "HIV Positive", it's a bit to hard for me to overlook the obvious joke set up there.

Anyway I think it's kind of cute, in a xenophilic sort of way. Not just furries, but alien Christian furries! :P

AngryPuritan · Vociferator Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 399

Jesus scritched me.

Oh, and Skunkf. I think the word you were looking for to descriube yourself was 'agnostic'. Not caring.

Kadius · Vociferator Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 637

Merf! What's this? A half horse-half cat character? A cat with a huge space between the eyes? A horse with a terribly short muzzle?

Some sort of rodent, perhaps? The face may be fitting, depending on what it really is. I myself thought it was a little strange, but I don't nitpick over other's avatars most of the time.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

As for what Zen Zhu said about religion, personaly I don't believe in any sort of god or supernatural beings. sure there is room for things that we can't know about yet, but to worship the unknown as a religion or ascribe it as being something 'greater' than -and thus having power over- the individual self is just something I can't get behind.

I would say that my general philosophy is not so much that there is something "greater" than ourselves... but simply more... something we're a part of that is more than what we can express within the limitations of our physicality. The easiest way to describe it is I think of "God" as a continuum that we're part of. Heaven or Nirvana or whatever is really just kind of a return to this continuum.

Not to say that's what I totally hold to be true.. just that I theorize it to be a little more likely than a singular, greater being. "God" in my concept is more of an essence than an actual being. And anything resembling creation may not have been this "on the sixth day" kind of thing, but simply some kind of thought... an evolution into mass sentience or something.

Who the hell knows. I figure the main point is to live a good life while we're here. If we persist as souls or as karma or whatever, the point is not to be good in order to rack up gold stars on some cosmic grading chart, but to be good for its own sake.

And if the end of life is simply oblivion.... eh.. why worry about it? You'll be too nonexistant to care at that point. Just do good for the sake of itself.

That's one reason Buddhism works for me. You can be Christian, athiest, agnostic, or purely Buddhist and the practices and princples are still well-applied. It never sat right with me to think I was condemned from the moment I drew breath.. and the only way to NOT be so was to follow one organizations presribed set of rules and rituals. I also think it's BS to suggest we are incapable of being good people with "God being in control" or some crap. We have free will.. and if we were created by something.. then that free will is by design. We have it in ourselves to be good people.. we just have to exert the discipline to be so.

So, this whole business of "trust in Jesus" has never sat well with me. Even when I was a Christian, my philosophy was to trust in myself, and simply try to follow Jesus' example. He's an ideal.. not a personal assistant. That's why Buddhism appealed to me. I didn't adopt its philosophies in a rejection of Christianity. I swayed more towards it because its ideals were more like what I had felt all along.. even as a Christian.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

See, Ebony can't be bothered to actually learn the mechanics of the board's posting system... or be troubled to understand why we like to BS about the train wrecks of the fandom as casual entertainment... because he is far too busy producing intellectually stimulating works of art. Seriously, guys, maybe he has a point in trying to educate us as to how we waste our timewith silly cartoon animals when we could be doing much more meaningful things. Clearly, he has all the answers.

Maybe it's time to fold our little house of cards here and put our heads together on much more timely and meaningful pursuits. Say, I have it, chaps! Why don't we use our energies for good and make a furry comic that rips off.. er.. draws heavily from Marvel's now defunct New Universe line. I see Justice as an arctic fox with a mullet. We could call him Just-Ice. And Starbrand strikes me as a hyena type. We'll give him an original name like.. hmm... Starrbrand sounds good.

And if we really want to make good use of our time, we'll make him a macro with a big, pink penis.

I feel like a new man already. Thanks for showing us the error of our ways by your shining example and teaching us the true meaning of Christmas.

Seriously, and with all due respect E.L., you gotta bear in mind that few of us here take this seriously. This is idle entertainment. It's not life or death. As you said, it IS cartoon animals. You find some enterainment at drawing furry comics and cavorting with furries, and we find some entertainment at mocking furry comics and cavorting furries. Theorizing how people banded together to hybridize furries and Christianity.. two things that seem to mix like oil and water... is hardly a feat of mental exertion. As I've tried to convey to you before.. apparently with little success.. the discussions here are the kind of off-the-cuff crap you hear people BS-ing about in bars. It's like a debate on whether or not a Star Destroyer could kick the U.S.S. Enterprise's butt. You can't take this place at face value. We think of this stuff about as intensely as Tim Allen at a performance of Swan Lake.

How is pointing out how stupid something is, NOT understanding the mechanics of this board. Isn't that the point, or is it just point how stupid something off the board only, the rule?

And dude, the links you posted were pretty weak. The first was a con sketch done for, gasp, cash, and the other one, I didn't even make. The image is mine, but the stuff added to it isn't.

And the attempt to call my work rip off of Marvel is laughable since I doubt you're read the content. It's super hero stuff, I guess it's all a rip off of Superman/DC then technically since anything of that genre can just be said to be ripped off of something else. And frankly, like I could give 2 cents about furry I can give really 2 cents about what you say about the book either. Either you like it, or you don't. Shrug. Ok. Hey, those Marvel portfolio reviewers at Wizard World had no problem with it and that's fine with me.

Bottom line is though, worrying about the stupidity of furry fandom is a waste of time. Who cares? They're freaky always will be.

Only thing I can figure is, it's gotta be a west coast thing (which really wouldn't be all that suprising) because I've never experienced in person half the crazy shit that gets talked about here. But then, is that furry or just the wackos that happen to live in constant sunny locations?

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

How is pointing out how stupid something is, NOT understanding the mechanics of this board. Isn't that the point, or is it just point how stupid something off the board only, the rule?

Follow along here.. mechanics of the board. Not social dynamics, theme, or otherwise. I mean "click this button, cut and paste this text" mechanics. I'm talking actually learning to put all of your responses in one post, rather than having a chain of four or five responses to different people's posts. It doesn't invalidate what you have to say, but it does weaken your credibility a tad if you can't even figure out, or can't be bothered to figure out, how to properly work with a website's features. It kind of puts you in this realm of appearing like a perpetual clueless newbie.

And dude, the links you posted were pretty weak. The first was a con sketch done for, gasp, cash, and the other one, I didn't even make. The image is mine, but the stuff added to it isn't.

I'm just hinting that if you're drawing macro doggie cock and submissions for furry erotica for whatever reason... personal, cash, whatever... you really have no room to lecture anyone on how silly their recreational pursuits are. I'm not suggesting "zOMG.. FURRY PORN.. OUST THE HEATHEN!" I'm just illustrating that, as a renderer of macro doggie cock, your stance that our mocking macro doggie cock drawings is a silly waste of time is pretty much null and void. Pot and kettle and such, you know?

Bottom line is though, worrying about the stupidity of furry fandom is a waste of time. Who cares? They're freaky always will be.

Well, if you can't see we're not worried about, it will seem like a stupid waste of time. Try to think of it as we're entertained by it. As my links were intended to illustrate, however, our activites here aren't any more a waste of time than drawing macro furry dicks. To each their own. So, we'll mock the furries, and you keep drawing ginormous husky peepees.

I have no stake in furrydom. I don't go to cons. I don't even read comics anymore, let alone furry comics. The only comics I've touched in the past 5 years are Naruto and Hikaru no Go. But, having had a history with the fandom and having seen its image progressively tainted by the antics of those folks that are more prominent online and in the public eye... it is entertaining to see when the cold aluminum bat of reality smacks them upside the behind and calls them to the carpet for their antics.

Only thing I can figure is, it's gotta be a west coast thing (which really wouldn't be all that suprising) because I've never experienced in person half the crazy shit that gets talked about here. But then, is that furry or just the wackos that happen to live in constant sunny locations?

An interesting question. If I may be completely honest, however, my opinion is that you more likely turn a blind eye to some of the stuff around you. I don't mean that as an insult, just an observation. And that's not to say it's ALL around you. I have a feeling you're right, to a degree. Sunny California is known for being crazy enough in itself, let alone without having higher concentrations of diaper-clad fursuiters in bondage gear than most other places.

But, you have this persistent aura of... hmm... "cluelessness" is too harsh... naivete might be a better term... when it comes to what you show of yourself and your view of furries on this board. Either consciously or unconsciously, you seem to have a blind spot for some of their antics... kind of a Spongebob Squarepants innocent outlook. Granted, we blow things out of proportion a bit here for entertainment purposes, but you seem to kind of go the opposite way and minimize what is a pretty obvious negative presence in the fandom. Not to say it truly overshadows all of furry stuff... but it definitely leaves its mark on most things furry (to distinguish it from anthropomorphic).

In one respect, I could suggest that since you do fall in with the macro doggie cock-drawing crowd, some elements won't be as apparent to you. And, in the grand scheme of things, the adult material you put out pales in comparison to a lot of the stuff out there. But, since you do draw yer little furry cocks and such.. cash or not.. maybe you're a little too close to the trenches to really see what goes on in the big picture. I dunno. Personally, I don't think it really matters. We're just here for our silly little entertainment.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

But, you have this persistent aura of... hmm... "cluelessness" is too harsh... naivete might be a better term... when it comes to what you show of yourself and your view of furries on this board. Either consciously or unconsciously, you seem to have a blind spot for some of their antics... kind of a Spongebob Squarepants innocent outlook. Granted, we blow things out of proportion a bit here for entertainment purposes, but you seem to kind of go the opposite way and minimize what is a pretty obvious negative presence in the fandom. Not to say it truly overshadows all of furry stuff... but it definitely leaves its mark on most things furry (to distinguish it from anthropomorphic).

In one respect, I could suggest that since you do fall in with the macro doggie cock-drawing crowd, some elements won't be as apparent to you. And, in the grand scheme of things, the adult material you put out pales in comparison to a lot of the stuff out there. But, since you do draw yer little furry cocks and such.. cash or not.. maybe you're a little too close to the trenches to really see what goes on in the big picture. I dunno. Personally, I don't think it really matters. We're just here for our silly little entertainment.

Oh, give me a break. Drawing one crappy picture at a convention to the request of somebody that's giving your $25 for an uncolored drawing is not falling into the macro doggie cock-drawing crowd. The most of the adult work I put out usually range no greater than nudes for one. If anything my work is too boring for 'furries', and at such a low rate, it's probably the main reason when people are saying their stuff is stolen on some site, I usually don't have worry about it and if I do, the stuff is probably over 5 to 8 years old.

And if you want to say blind, so be it. I don't go looking for weird crap online, I don't run into the weird shit that happens at cons, because the people I associate with aren't into that kind of crap and we do thing that ordinary people do when out of town. We leave the hotel and go out on the town.

Furry to me is no different than any other form of comic book or animation type of fandom, only difference is the subject matter happens to be talking animals instead of people with animal like names. I go to a convention first, as a business trip to sell stuff, seceondly, to socialize and experience the city it's at with friends, and finally have fun out of town and more often than not visit family that happens to be in the area of the con.

If anything I'm damn near too mundane for all this because, yeah, I guess I don't take much of it seriously either either to bother praising it or berate it. It's simply an end to a means.

I like doing comic books. I prefer doing my own comic and doing the subject matter I want to do. I was asked at Wizard World by a Ecos reviewer if I wanted to consider doing comics full time and I said no, I like what I'm doing working on my own, and frankly like the 'normal' job I got now. I'm aware there's some crazy stuff that's attacted to this fandom, but it's not on my level of major concern since I don't associate myself with it out side of what ever little convention I happen to go to.

And I still think the level of craziness you guys talk about has something more to do with the geographic location of which the stuff you talk about is happening. Think about it, the majority of the worst horror stories most people tell have happened at conventions that are either located on the west coast or the stupid acts have been done mostly by people who happen to be from the west coast. We all know that the west coast are more liberal than the east, in many respects, so maybe that's what colors my perspective of how I view things. That and the fact that I'm from Pennsylvania, I'm probably more conservative thinking anyway than most would be elsewhere. Having lots of snow and cold weather I guess will do that to you.

SquareMoogle · Venter Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 238

This

we blow things out of proportion a bit here for entertainment purposes

does not constitute this.

Oh, give me a break. Drawing one crappy picture at a convention to the request of somebody that's giving your $25 for an uncolored drawing is not falling into the macro doggie cock-drawing crowd. The most of the adult work I put out usually range no greater than nudes for one. If anything my work is too boring for 'furries', and at such a low rate, it's probably the main reason when people are saying their stuff is stolen on some site, I usually don't have worry about it and if I do, the stuff is probably over 5 to 8 years old.

(ZenZhu was poking fun, don't get bent out of shape, bent like an enormous macro husky penis.)

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Well, Ebony's response helps me make more sense of his outlook, Square. For someone relatively prominent in the furry eye, it sounds like he really doesn't get in to it that much... maybe a kind of fringe furry like Bill Holbrook (Kevin & Kell)... interested in it enough to go to cons as a guest or otherwise, but not really there long enough to see their shenanigans in person. While I do think he puts blinders on in respect to the negative image furrydom is generating for itself with the kind of drek it puts out on VCL, Genus, and such... I have to admire his ability to do so. It probably keeps him a saner person for it.

All the same, I had originally started just kind of skipping past his posts a while back, since there was always about 5 of them in a row, they all said about the same thing, and they all had that kind of Spongebob Squarepants rose-tinted glasses thing I alluded to going on.... when he wasn't baiting Hirtes, that is. It's weird... you ever met someone you didn't exactly dislike... but you didn't like them, either? And I can't say I have a valid reason for not "Internet-liking" him in the same way I afford a certain sense of friendship to most others here. But.. I don't. I respect the guy. I don't dislike him. I just don't like him either.

So, I think I'm just gonna adopt a policy of agreeing to disagree and just kinda go back to skipping over his posts. They make my head hurt in the same way being forced to watch Rugrats or Hey Arnold would.

Kadius · Vociferator Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 637

<...>All the same, I had originally started just kind of skipping past his posts a while back, since there was always about 5 of them in a row, they all said about the same thing, and they all had that kind of Spongebob Squarepants rose-tinted glasses thing I alluded to going on.... when he wasn't baiting Hirtes, that is. <...>

You're not the only one. I stopped reading his posts shortly after his first week here. He's got an ax to grind. And I don't care for it.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I'm starting to wonder if he isn't simply one of the more subtly clever trolls out there.

Bloodied · Qualificator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 33

Wouldn't "subtly troll" be an oxymoron though, or have I just not spent enough time on message boards yet?

Mastertran · Prattler Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 174

If I can be a little back on topic here. I grew up in a country where Christianity is a minority faith. I am a fairly devot member of the Coptic Orthodox church and attend church services every Sunday. But I still have a life outside it. You see with the Orthodox we tend to look at sin in a very deffrent way more like a mistake than a crime (this does not include murder of course) we think that everyone makes mistakes and that damning them that quickly is a sin itself. With Westerners the idea is more like a crime be afraid always and make sure your perfect your whole life. Easterners look at more deeply not every thing is black and white and some times what you feel is wrong my be right so you need to relax and live a little smoke a pipe, listen to secular music, watch some T.V. relax and when you get to church then it's time for the sacred to come into play. It's sorta like Buddism in some way which is another faith I love it's peaceful and isn't so limiting as some other groups are.

P.S. I actually like Shawntee's comic it is very well written of course that's just my opinion.

Octan · Qualificator Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 10

* skips past the last half-page of nonsense *

I really have no idea why you guys think Christianity and furry are fundamentally incompatible. Furry fandom, in its purest form, is people who happen to really like humanoid animals. All the other crap that got tacked on later is just that: crap that got tacked on later. Since most of this crap involves stuff that Christians generally can't stand, one could say that Christian furries are closer to the proper meaning of furry than most.

And technically, isn't that also what this site is about? People who are disillusioned by what furry has devolved into? That was certainly my impression. Someone even mentioned it in this thread somewhere (if you think I'm going to wade through the whole thread looking for it, you're nuts :roll:). So why do we need to fight with them? Heck, being a furry is hard enough without furries being hard on each other, especially if they have the same idea of what furry is and what it should not be.

Plus, let's face it, the fandom needs allies in people who we would normally expect to put us down. I daresay we have found some. :)

Mastertran · Prattler Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 174

So working with wackos helps right?

SquareMoogle · Venter Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 238

We were just discussing them, no intentions of anything. They got hostile so we began poking fun, there wasn't much conflict or tension or anything.

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1030

I really have no idea why you guys think Christianity and furry are fundamentally incompatible.

I don't think they are necessarily incompatible...

Its just that furry fandom has one hell of a disreputable, seedy, underbelly - thats undeniable.

Since most of this crap involves stuff that Christians generally can't stand, one could say that Christian furries are closer to the proper meaning of furry than most.

Not quite following this.. the latter half...

AFAIK, one of the main people over there, has these 'furry love comics' things... they were basically comissioned porn stories. Im not making any statement as to what people should or shouldn't be doing here, Im just curious how they reconsile drawing certain things with a faith they hold tightly enough to form a sub-clique within furry fandom for. Its kinda funny to me.

I dropped out of sunday school and church in like 2nd or 3rd grade.. it just seems to me that drawing porn and stuff would be like... not allowed.

Again I don't actually care either way. I dont really have a problem with anyone (well, almost). Sometimes I wonder if some christian furries are just furries to do the whole 'witnessing' thing some christians get into.

And technically, isn't that also what this site is about? People who are disillusioned by what furry has devolved into? That was certainly my impression.

So why do we need to fight with them? Heck, being a furry is hard enough without furries being hard on each other, especially if they have the same idea of what furry is and what it should not be.

I dont think anyone was fighting anyone as previously stated. It was just a link to a site.

Also, Im sure theres quite a few people here who will vehemently protest all this 'we' stuff ;)

Kadius · Vociferator Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 637

Gentlemen, they're onto us!

whoa.. I went there and although I must say it took me aback alittle, it's still not going to deter what I beleave in a longshot. And in all reality I think they are the wekert person for having to pick on people who are content with what they do. That's very immature on thir part I think but in all reality it's funny to see them act this way Very Happy Reminds me of alot of pre-teens trying to be cool and bash people when in all reality they have no clue what they are talking about, even the words they typed have no strong points :/ very few of them, if not none, can properlly back up what they are trying to say XD in anyway I just think it's a pathetic attempt to make us sad. I'd pay no heed to it personally Raz ;p

what

geez... why can't people be a bit more open minded? It's not like we're all sitting here cursing those who aren't christian. Seems like the stereotype always seems to be what people believe to be true, and that goes for anything. "oohhh christians are SO judgemental!!!"

I mean, I will agree that a lot of christians can be, I've run into plenty of them but not all of us are that way. And furry christians are just like anyone else. The only difference between FFC and any other furry site is we work our faith into a hobby or dare I say lifestyle.

Some peeps just need to, like I said, open their minds a little bit more. We're human too. Or furr, which ever you choose. ^^;

Really now. Guys, c'mon. (Sharon... C'MON) I don't think we're not our to hurt anyone here. We're like scientists studying their subjects, taking notes and going "Hmm, that's kinda weird". We're curiously observing, not a mob coming to lynch you.

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

A furry Jesus on cross.. with tentacles and shitty diappers... and roman hermtaurdragons around him... in leather bondage gear!

Yeppers-- nuttin' incompatible bout that holy vision! =)
Or a purple baby hermtaurjesus .... with two heads.. and blood and the biting and the hurtingand the shoving... !

Banrai · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 314

A furry Jesus on cross.. with tentacles and shitty diappers... and roman hermtaurdragons around him... in leather bondage gear!

Yeppers-- nuttin' incompatible bout that holy vision! =)
Or a purple baby hermtaurjesus .... with two heads.. and blood and the biting and the hurtingand the shoving... !

Don't forget the tentacles raping the two beside him, as well!

tomcat · Qualificator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 Posts: 15

"Faith" as a "hobby"?????

That's an interesting idea. One's faith is like D&D or comic books? I personally avoid faith, but I have yet to meet anyone who considers their faith a "hobby". That is kind of convient. Especially if one's lifestyle makes a mockery of one's faith and one's faith is a hobby.

When it comes to "faith as a lifestyle" there are plenty of modes of dress one can adopt to show one's particular faith to the world at large. A mascot outfit has yet to be one of them. But how knows? Jesus went after the sick and marginalized, so maybe these are the folks who need him the most.

I don't like seeing religion and mental illenss mix, but it isn't my call.

RailFoxen · Venter Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 251

One's faith is like D&D or comic books?

Especially when one's faith is based on D&D or comics books! Hi, neopagans!

'Cause, hey, some times it's just cool to be Christian. It lets you talk down to people and make them feel really worthless while you pretend to be helping them. 'I'll pray for you. Because you've failed in God's eyes - and I can put in a good word.' Have we at CYD sinned? You'll pray for us? Well, burn a candle and once you're done talking to Jesus, give Hecate a call, 'cause it'll do fuck as much good, an it harm none do what ye will.

Well. After all this time of watching, it seems these guys are just clutching to Christianity for the sake of being different and feeling better about themselves. It's pretty much just flavors of pop Christianity here, the watered down kind that doesn't hurt anyone and does as much good as your favorite brand of spell casting make believe.

They could try to argue a little, you know. Try to change some minds - hell, the diaper fetishists can run in and let us know they aren't completely insane - but they huddle into some little protected clique. They certainly aren't spreading a message.

Welcome to da X-tian Fur hood my sista!

Taking the Christ out of Christian. Bonus points to naitcho-cheese for keeping beleaves.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Is it just me, or are the Fur-o-meter readings rising around here??

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

So why do we need to fight with them?

Us? Fight? You must be mistaking us with the Burned Furs or something.

Although furry in of itself is not anti-Christian per see, much of which goes on in furry (particularly that which the media focuses on) isn't really compatible with Christian teachings. Thus Christian furries (or "furrs") like MSX games or the McLaren F1 are a bit of a rare find. Therefore we can't help but point and discuss in a meaningful way.
And in case you haven't noticed, at least one of us has joined said forum.

Banrai · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 314

OMFG I'm about to bust a gut.

Go here: http://furrsfurchrist.com/forum/memberlist.php and check out member #48.

THE KAKANATOR HAS ARRIVED. LOLZ.

But seriousley. This should be FUN.

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

OMFG I'm about to bust a gut.

Go here: http://furrsfurchrist.com/forum/memberlist.php and check out member #48.

THE KAKANATOR HAS ARRIVED. LOLZ.

But seriousley. This should be FUN.

Lord only knows what sort of damage she might cause. I know I'm going to be sitting back with a bucket of popcorn regardless of what happens, but whatever does happen (good or bad) I'm holding you responsible for it.

Banrai · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 314

Blahblah blame me

Hey, it's not my fault I'm a mean ass. :X And as a note, I though tit was really funny that she believed every word I said. LOLZ ANIMATER.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

OMFG I'm about to bust a gut.

Go here: http://furrsfurchrist.com/forum/memberlist.php and check out member #48.

THE KAKANATOR HAS ARRIVED. LOLZ.

But seriousley. This should be FUN.

Holieeee FUCK. And I had been wondering why she wasn't already a member :shock:

It's a no-brainer she should be a part of that community, given her, ah.. ideas, and the fact that she's been banned from everywhere else. What I wonder is, is it possible she didn't know about the place before until we started talking about it? Which would lead to the even more disturbing question.... is she watching us right now?

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

Holieeee FUCK. And I had been wondering why she wasn't already a member :shock:

It's a no-brainer she should be a part of that community, given her, ah.. ideas, and the fact that she's been banned from everywhere else. What I wonder is, is it possible she didn't know about the place before until we started talking about it? Which would lead to the even more disturbing question.... is she watching us right now?

She only knows about because Banrai pointed her to it. As for if she knows about this place, I sincerely doubt it. If she was watching us, we'd know because we'd be hit with a LAWSUITE threat. Either way, things should get really interesting at FFC once KAK goes active, so I extend a great big thank you to Banrai. Thank you. :wink:

Oh and on a side note, I have a new theory about KAK. She's really evil KCM from an alternate dimension. (You know, the kinds where you can tell the evil twin from the real one because of the evil goatee.)

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Ideally, furry is simply about anthro animals. In practice, however, we all know it's much, much more than that... though not for all of them.

That being said, the idea of a "fur fur Christ" is all well and good, but it's kind of like saying "Skunkfuckers fur Christ" or "Christian Hentai Addicts."

One hand raised to God... the other stuffed down yer pants.. a Bible on the left, and a Genus on the right.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

One hand raised to God... the other stuffed down yer pants.. a Bible on the left, and a Genus on the right.

With apologies to dear Jim Croce:

Which way are you goin'
Which side will you be on
Will you stand and watch while all the tufts of fur are sewn
Will you stand with those who say that Yiff will be done
One hand on the Fur Suit, one hand on the gun
One hand on the Fur Suit, one hand on the gun

Which way are you looking?
Is it hard to see
Do you say what's wrong for him is not wrong for me
You walk the streets of righteousness
But you refuse to understand
You say you love the babyfurs, but then you crucify their man
You say you love the babyfurs, but then you crucify their man

Everyday things are changin'
Words once honored turn to lies
People wonderin' can you blame them
It's too far to run and too late to hide

Now you turn your back on all the things that you used to preach
Now it's let him live in freedom if he lives like me
Well your costume has changed, sexual confusion reigns
What have you become
Your fuzzy social class turns to stigma when you post on CYD
Your fuzzy social class turns to stigma when you post on CYD

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

Non furry.... but This... is the gate of heaven! =)

Farting Preacher II

http://host75.ipowerweb.com/~miggynet/multimedia/preacher.wmv

IceCat · Prattler Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 119

Found this through Cruel site of the Day.

http://forums.christianity.com/html/P1355799/

It's a thread about the "Furry Lifestyle", on a christain message board, though it be of interest.

Later

IceCat

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 180

http://forums.christianity.com/html/P1355799/

That thread is good stuff. :)

hehe ,when I read the title of this thread I thought it was going to be about growing a beard or something.

AngryPuritan · Vociferator Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 399

That beard comment should be in the rotation...

I'm all for bashing furries, but...

Fire....

You lost me buddy. Don't know what furry is and yiffing is beyond me.

Are you new to this forum or a new Christian? I would suggest you touch base with your pastor if you have one. If you are a new Christian the devil will have you confused and misled. Seek the the council of wise men ASAP.

If in doubt, stay away from it.

Claiming they're Satan is equally sad.

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 180

If you want to begin down a path leading to aligning yourself with a group of freakish, desperate pariahs, yes. Start drawing furry art. Forget the religious arguments you might find against it. That's nothing compared to the ridicule and blank stares you'll face. You're not getting dragged into something EVIL, you're getting dragged into something so nerdy even vampire LARPers will kick your ass. You're getting dragged into something so pathetic, cat ladies will weep for you. You're getting dragged into the single most messed-up subculture that the last 20 years has created in the west.

Kadius · Vociferator Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 637

Claiming they're Satan is equally sad.

Christians are quick to group anyone with Satan. I actually joined the forum and commented in a post about ghosts and the first response was hinting that I was in league with the devil. IT FUCKING BLOWS MY MIND.

SquareMoogle · Venter Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 238

That Ian guy had it pinned before he went on that religious tangent.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

Christians are quick to group anyone with Satan. I actually joined the forum and commented in a post about ghosts and the first response was hinting that I was in league with the devil. IT FUCKING BLOWS MY MIND.

It's amazingly trivial to state that others are plagued with demons when you blame your own shortcomings on the same.

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

That post by IanFinnesey has some good points. I don't think he counts as "some wacky Christian" as he doesn't give any religiously based reasons against furrydumb. Where he goes off on the deep end is by saying he sold off all his "furry" comics because he found out there's sexually explicit furry material out there. I mean, letting nutty furries' behaviour stop you from reading Albedo if you like that comic is rather silly.

Banrai · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 314

Where he goes off on the deep end is by saying he sold off all his "furry" comics because he found out there's sexually explicit furry material out there.

...Now, the question is this: If I drew Jesus or Peter or whoever fucking Mary or even oneanother, would they all sell their bibles?

..h'mm.

Kadius · Vociferator Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 637

Where he goes off on the deep end is by saying he sold off all his "furry" comics because he found out there's sexually explicit furry material out there.

...Now, the question is this: If I drew Jesus or Peter or whoever fucking Mary or even oneanother, would they all sell their bibles?

..h'mm.

It's worth a try. :twisted:

Jerry Collins · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 335

Nu?like the talmud says.."we are all but tenements of clay"...of course some of those tenements are slated for demolishion...Like the "Naz" said " For none are without sin,no not one"...so who's this guy to tell the rest of us" wer'e goin' t' HELL!",who?

Dr. Mojo · Prattler Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 180

I just read New Meat's furry Jesus article thing and I thought this would be an abitrarily appropriate thread to post in: Why the fuck is Jesus a lion of all things? Shouldn't he be a unicorn? The unicorn was CREATED as a symbol for Jesus. I know this because I'm an uberlamo and took a King Arthur and the Middle Ages literature class and we talked about it.

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 180

That post by IanFinnesey has some good points. I don't think he counts as "some wacky Christian" .

To me, all Christians are wacky. Kind of like furries, in my opinion.

I've known and met so many furries that all are terminal failures at life, flauting their fetishes, sleeping around randomly, developing crushes on imaginary characters, unable to hold a normal job, leeching off those with kindness, etc, that I've kind of lumped them all together as a whole.

Likewise, I've experienced so many Christians that argue with inane bible quotes, destroy other cultures with their missionaries, impose their intolerant viewpoints on others, redefine words such as "science" and "education" to meet their own ends, and come across as such intolerable hypocrytes that I have lumped them all together as well.

And before anyone gets all upset, remember that this is just the opinion of some random guy on the Internet and as such, can be safely ignored.

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

I just read New Meat's furry Jesus article thing and I thought this would be an abitrarily appropriate thread to post in: Why the fuck is Jesus a lion of all things?

Well the lion has been a part of Christian themes as far as back as I can remember (Lion of Judah, Lion of Zion) and there's some mention about it here.

Shouldn't he be a unicorn? The unicorn was CREATED as a symbol for Jesus. I know this because I'm an uberlamo and took a King Arthur and the Middle Ages literature class and we talked about it.

I suppose, but I've more often seen the unicorn being used as a symbol for Satan. (Lucifer, angel of light, horn, phallic symbol.) But if you wish to depict Jesus as a unicorn, by all means go ahead. :)

Dr. Mojo · Prattler Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 180

I don't. I just don't have anything to talk about so I post waht comes to mind.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

I don't. I just don't have anything to talk about so I post waht comes to mind.

Oh, yeah. Me too :P

I just read New Meat's furry Jesus article thing and I thought this would be an abitrarily appropriate thread to post in: Why the fuck is Jesus a lion of all things?

Well the lion has been a part of Christian themes as far as back as I can remember (Lion of Judah, Lion of Zion) and there's some mention about it here.

The LIONS... The CHRISTIANS.. THE EATING... oh the humanity!

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

As an addendum, I don't hate Christians. And I don't mean that in an 'oh well, every religion has it's points' liberal humanist sort of way. I just don't hate them.

That said, I've known only two Catholics (Cathoholics, I call them -not for the sterotype that many of them are drunks, but for their hopeless addiction to religious... stuff). They were both some of the worst messes to pass for human beings I've ever met in my life. Also, the religion; most anti-pagan pagan religion I've ever seen. They're like the Microsoft of the religious world, taking out the competition with a ruthlessness.

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

That post by IanFinnesey has some good points. I don't think he counts as "some wacky Christian" .

To me, all Christians are wacky.

Fair enough. :)
I just didn't think this Finnesey guy came off as arguing from a Christian point of view, s'all.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Though I describe myself as Buddhist, for all intents and purposes, Buddhism is primarily a philosophy that becomes a religion when joined with other religions. Hence, that's why Japanese Buddhism ties in with Shintoism, Chinese Buddhism ties in with Confusianism and ancestor worship, and it starts to look more like Hinduism as you go further west. That being said, I definitely haven't rejected my Christian roots. However, I don't hold to them either. I don't find the existence of Jesus and Siddartha and other buddhas to be mutually exclusive concepts. My concept of a god stems from the Christian ideas, but I don't insist that my notions are the only ones.. or that they are inherently right simply because some book says so. Nor do I really care. If we were meant to know what God is like, we would.

I do take issue, however, with the modern Christian church.. be it Catholic or Protestant. Many of the ideas pushed by the church as an entity formed by mankind these days are, IMO, in contrast to genuine Christian ideals.

In a way, the vocal, militant Christians have manipulated, mutated, and mutiliated the Christian church in the same way furries have tainted the anthropomorphics supergenre*. Therein lies my problems with Christians in concept, but not on an individual basis.

On a lighter note, all of the biggest sluts I've ever known have all been Catholic. Coincidence?

*I use the term "supergenre" since anthropomorphics as a tool crosses the boundaries of genres like SF, fantasy, and such... furrydom, however, remains a subculture.

Dr. Mojo · Prattler Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 180

You ever heard that song "Catholic Girls?" By Frank Zappa, I think.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

On a lighter note, all of the biggest sluts I've ever known have all been Catholic. Coincidence?

Females, maybe. the two I mentioned were guys, and they couldn't really have sex. One guy was an old critchety bastard who drank instead, the other -who's wife wouldn't come into the country because she "didn't like it here (re: couldn't stand living with the guy)- couldn't hold his liquor, so he gambled.

They'll be quick to point out drinking and gambling aren't prohibited by the Catholic church :wink:

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 450

"They'll be quick to point out drinking and gambling aren't prohibited by the Catholic church :wink:"

Insert your own inappropriate altar boy joke here... =)

I'm Christian, but certainly find myself horrified by what passes for "faith" these days. It's amazing how quick modern christians are to condemn others. Worse, they like to pick and choose their own Bible value system.

"Let's see...I want to hate gays, but eat shellfish and wear poly fiber blends."

These days, calling oneself Christian is not a statement of your belief in Christ, but rather political grandstanding

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

"They'll be quick to point out drinking and gambling aren't prohibited by the Catholic church :wink:"

Insert your own inappropriate altar boy joke here... =)

DON'T MAKE ME WHIP OUT THE LYRICS TO THAT STEVEN LYNCH SONG "Priest", BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING HILARIOUS.

Yeah, he's funny. He's the guy that did the "Kill A Kitten" song :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

They'll be quick to point out drinking and gambling aren't prohibited by the Catholic church :wink:

That's what being a Catholic's all about. That's why it's the church for me. That's why it's the church for anyone who respects the individual and the individual's right to decide for him or herself.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

They'll be quick to point out drinking and gambling aren't prohibited by the Catholic church :wink:

That's what being a Catholic's all about. That's why it's the church for me. That's why it's the church for anyone who respects the individual and the individual's right to decide for him or herself.

Oh, NOW I don't like you.

For real this time.

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Aww fuck.. I can't help it. That avatar is too damn lovable for me to hate you :roll: :wink:

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

EVERYONE STAND BACK.... I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO FUCK!.... AGAIN!

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

EVERYONE STAND BACK.... I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO FUCK!.... AGAIN!

I didn't just LOL at that, I literaly fucking busted out laughing :lol: :lol: :lol:

Goddamn, I don't think I've ever had so much fucking fun on here :D

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

The forum's on speed today. Skunkfuckers Inc, your new avatar is da shiznit. :lol:

EDIT:

Well the lion has been a part of Christian themes as far as back as I can remember (Lion of Judah, Lion of Zion) and there's some mention about it here.

Holy crap, those lions are having HOT ORAL PEDO INCEST SEXXORZ! It's just like Father of the Pride porn!

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

STEVEN LYNCH

I met Stephen. I also know Doug Stanhope. Long before he was on that shitty 'Man's Show', he used to torment pederasts on baiting.org.

You may kiss my feet, because I know you already worship me.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

STEVEN LYNCH

I met Stephen. I also know Doug Stanhope. Long before he was on that shitty 'Man's Show', he used to torment pederasts on baiting.org.

I met Jack Lalane once.. I think it was him. I was maybe twelve or so. He was at the state fair showing one of those tilt-a-axis-thingies you strap into and pivot around in. I remember letting out a loud fart, and being embarrassed that there were two pretty college age girls watching at the time.

WAIT WHAT

I also think I met the women who played on Mathnet, and she was sacking groceries in a supermarket, but I could be wrong. I probably am wrong.

You may kiss my feet, because I know you already worship me.

And fear you. Don't forget fear.

:worship:

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I think it was him. I was maybe twelve or so. He was at the state fair showing one of those tilt-a-axis-thingies you strap into and pivot around in. I remember letting out a loud fart, and being embarrassed that there were two pretty college age girls watching at the time.

Clean your pipes the Charles Atlas way!

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

Clean your pipes the Charles Atlas way!

...but WHO'S SWEAT SOCKS DOES IT TASTE LIKE?

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

The guy that hypes the Juicemaster.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

The guy that hypes the Juicemaster.

I was quoting Jim Carrey as "Charles Atlas" in the one-of-three funny "In Living Color" sketches ever made. He was pimping out the Juicemaster, and a 'volunteer' drank some. This volunteer scoweled and said "Ughh... this tastes like sweat socks!" Jim, in his overacting-if-it-was-ever-funny-it-may-have-been-here way, gave him a crazy-kooky grin, and said "BUT WHOSE SWEAT SOCKS, JONNY?!?!? MINE!" The guest turns to camera, makes a 'vomit' face, rushes off stage, and Jim waxes on and on about the vitamins and minerals from his socks.

...I fail to figure why I can remember worthless shit so vividly, and this afternoon, that I had to use mnemonics to remember the last few digits on my personal telephone number For you stalkers, my telephone number spells out an acronym of a former big-fish in UNIX vendors' (up through the 90s) name, and a specific line of the aforementioned product. Entirely coincidental.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I was actually thinking of that skit, but couldn't find a pic of him from it.