Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1727

Great googly moogly! WTF is going on?! Does NO ONE ever learn?

(thinks for a moment)

Sorry, forgot that this is furry I'm talking about. And to think I used to believe idiots talking in Klingon 90% of the time in Trekdom were the worst of all fan dips.

And STILL people think that we're imagining this nonsense. Like furries can gaslight effectively. I don't think we're imagining anything. With web forums, we've effectively exported the worst of alt.lifestyle.furry to the WWW with a vengeance. Throw in personal web sites and Live Journal blogging, and we've got all the furry dysfunctionality exhibition we need to become the new poster example for forced sterilization.

I'd love to see the local news crews stand on the sidewalk outside the Adams Mark next AC and give free air time to any twit willing to talk. Even those trying to put a good spin on furry make it look bad. The ultimate is Kage telling all and sundry not to talk to the press, then doing it himself. Well, why should anyone below him now keep silent?

(rolls eyes)

Until the next media exhibition, there's always this sort of thing.

angel-paws · Recusant Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 19

looks at the link well well well
has anyone here reported pregfurr to something afwel?
my friend was very depressed because of it, if someone from here did it, it's a kidssite, woman who are or (like myself) can't get pregnant are drawing on that site... so it's nothing wrong... *grumblë* i didn't thought that was nice, if I find that person who sended that link to them... he or she is gonna get some real trouble :evil:
i think the people of that site are really ******* up as well, my opinion... i hate them! what would you do if they started to crap your site... Man, I'll take my revenge one day

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

W/regard to being or getting pregnant, my wife and I are presently DEEP in the middle of VERY expensive and stressful fertility treatments turning sex into a scheduled nightmare without a lot of passion or spontanaiety(?). She got pregnant ONCE by me, in the first months together, and had a miscarriage.

But dragging furry fantasy and fertility into the same room, cobbling them together, is a little much and begs for someone to comment. We are NOT a wolf and a cat trying to have kids, we're two people with a real life. Our characters are role-playing fun at most and not related to the outside world we live in all day every day.

I feel for you, I really do. My ex, Wendy, thought she was preggers the morning before she disappeared, eleven years ago now. Whether she was or not, I will never know but if she was, I would have had an eleven year old kid now.

Furry is a fantasy world though and this sort of crossbreeding with everyday life's problems, especially the worst most devestating ones, just cheapens them IMHO.

angel-paws · Recusant Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 19

I know how painfull it is... there woman at the site who are banned by there boyfriends, and then they draw this... ok i hate the yiffings... but most of them, are ment to be soft...
and i got more bad news, my boyfriend just brook up with me... so there goes my idea for adopting childeren...

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

I'd disagree about them never learning. This isn't an instance of furries making dumbasses of themselves in front of television cameras, it's just furries making dumbasses of themselves in their own private internet forums. Totally different. I mean, you're right, they don't learn, but I don't really think this should count as an example of their not learning.

So Uncle Kage is this science guy who tells stories, right? How'd he become such a big cog in the efficient and well-oiled machine that is furry?

But, anyway, as stupid as these furry posters are, I was actually quite surprised to see that they came off looking better than the posters in last week's teen forums. But only by the narrowest of margins, mind you.

Angel-paws, I'm sorry, what are you saying? Was Pregfur actually featured on SA or are you just upset at the possibility that it might someday be featured on SA? I'm assuming the former, still the knowledge that someone might make fun of her seems hardly adequate to send your friend into depression.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Yes, Something Awful did indeed feature Pregfur recently, and some SA readers apparently launched a forum invasion, hateful "furryphobic" folks that they are.

http://www.pregfur.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=562

angel-paws · Recusant Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 19

specially very imiture, don' tyou think
my friend (binx) is not happy about this, I swear I'll get my revenge on those stupid people!

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Yes Furry is screwed up in a lot of ways but I find those who just sit around laughing at others to be even more screwed up.

As A t-shirt I want say's, You all laugh because I'm different, I laugh because you're all the Same.

Though I must admit the bunch of idiots they found for the SA article that started this thread are amusing :P

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

As A t-shirt I want say's, You all laugh because I'm different, I laugh because you're all the Same.

Strange thing is, that quote is starting to become so overused it's almost sickening.

Especially when goths say it.

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

As A t-shirt I want say's, You all laugh because I'm different, I laugh because you're all the Same.

Shop at Hot Topic, do we?

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

Yes Furry is screwed up in a lot of ways but I find those who just sit around laughing at others to be even more screwed up.

...

But isn't that basically what we're doing here?

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

...

But isn't that basically what we're doing here?

the only reason im here is because i have vested interest in anthropomorphics

furry is really the only thing that has spotlight on the anthropomorphic animal character

which i feel is a style that could really use refinement
and 'furry' has been deteriorating it for the past 10+ years at least

like i linked to earlier

a very easy to reach example of how powerful anthropomorphics can be is Vaughn Bode's War Lizard
http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~jdavies/bode/war/warliz.html

obviously there is many many more
but thats short - its right there
and its also a very good example

a fandom could possibly refine and promote these things
unfortunatly in furry you can see whats been happening
ya things will still pop up , but as i stated elsewhere that anthropomorphics should naturally have a fanbase .. probabaly somewhere as a subgenre of fiction
i REALLY think they should be handled the same way SF fandom handles its fictional works..a collaboration - how to improve this and that etc
furry fandom should have anthropomorphics down to a fucking science...unfortunatly , sadly , not the case

then again maybe its fandoms that fuck everything up
as anime took off it started to suck
i dunno if thats mostly the market doing that or not

but the focus is falling off the characters and stories and thats fucked up

i think way too many people miss the point that guys like Steve Gallacci are still around ...they are still in the fandom
and until everysingle last person with an honest interest in writing and drawing good anthropomorphics has been driven out of the fandom by the freaks and perverts, it will totally unacceptable to me to say somethign like "ALL furries are fucked" or whatever without any modifiers

also as a rule i dont really make fun of people ..unless its personal or something along those lines...and i take the damage done to furry personally

short of that , i just dont have the interest in what other people do with thier lives. in all honestly once i get fed up with the shit when furry doesnt improve as i hope it will, and i just drop out and dissapear i wont even care enough to say "lol, thats fucked up .." or "haha, what the fuck is with that guy"

and all i have to say about PoE and SA is
forum invasion and harassment of people is CROSSING THE FUCKING LINE by MILES
i didnt want shit to do with that, so i dont go to those sites anymore
pregfurs wasnt the first, it certaintly wont be the last

all the while these guys will bitch about spam mail and pop ups and other shit and simultaneously spend thier time fuckin with other peoples time spent online, spamming forums and whatnot ...really now, what should i make of that?

once i seen that guy on PoE honestly posting about sending some girl on a teen forum somewhere, when she was debating having an abortion and he was trying to incite people to email her (probabaly because he was a nutless little jerkrag who couldnt do it himself)

no, that dude needs to be beaten for real, sorry

as far as tasteless style humor goes ...fuck the internet
ill get it from the professionals:

www.lcdcomic.com

if you dont have them or dont know:
these things are fucking VILE
and worth every penny
i read them each ONCE and then put them away cuz thier TOO fucking funny,

im not gonna read them again until i forget about em
i dont want to wear out thier humor

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

I know how painfull it is... there woman at the site who are banned by there boyfriends, and then they draw this... ok i hate the yiffings... but most of them, are ment to be soft...
and i got more bad news, my boyfriend just brook up with me... so there goes my idea for adopting childeren...

Some guys just don't grasp the concept of committment or the importance of being there for someone else AP and I detest them totally. You have my feelings going out to you. But do not give up hope. After the pain lessens, be of good cheer and get back to meeting people. Out there somewhere is a relationship with someone who will stand by you. I hope you find them sooner rather than later.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

...

But isn't that basically what we're doing here?

the only reason im here is because i have vested interest in anthropomorphics

furry is really the only thing that has spotlight on the anthropomorphic animal character

which i feel is a style that could really use refinement
and 'furry' has been deteriorating it for the past 10+ years at least

like i linked to earlier

a very easy to reach example of how powerful anthropomorphics can be is Vaughn Bode's War Lizard
http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~jdavies/bode/war/warliz.html

obviously there is many many more
but thats short - its right there
and its also a very good example

Well, maybe I should let you all know my interest in furry.

When I was younger, I used to program on the Apple //e. This was when if you couldn't afford Paul Lutus' AppleWriter><, you wrote your own word processor in BASIC, or as I used to, in 6502 assembly. This programming sparked a lot of creativity in me and once I wrote the WP I was using, I needed to write something with it. This was the 80s so I was surrounded by very bad post-apocalypse movies.

I began a story called Afterwar. It was after a nuclear war and the arrival at the war's climax by an alien starship way off course and carrying a whole lot of aliens. I couldn't come up with an interesting alien for the longest time, so I thought and thought and came up with the Akiari who I made seven feet tall, green just to be referential to old sci-fi ideas of aliens, and furry. Peaceful herbivore refugees from a war that happened to stray into their system so they were headed for someplace safer and ended up on Earth and the war followed them there.

I needed a hero but couldn't think of one so I thought some more. I decided on a heroine, and since I'd been reading K. Eric Drexler's Engines of Creation, I considered nanotechnology and the inherent ability to create changeable structures. I also came across an old horror novel about werewolves and the idea was born to create a biomechanical werewolf, a female soldier who was all piss and vinegar and able to transform into an anthropomorphic wolf at will and use it in battle.

It blossomed into about six thousand pages of 8.5 x 11 dot matrix print output covering Afterwar and a few other books, none of which I've ever shown to anyone because I still don't think they're finished. They're my most cherished projects of all. It grew into another furry alien race, another group of humans dealing with these new people, and a load of things that I wanted to explore, partly for my own intellectual amusement and philosophical self-questioning.

Fast forward years later when I wasn't sure what to do with myself, about four years after the death of a woman I'd loved more than anything else in the world; I wanted to die and was sort of biding my time. We'd been lovers and coworkers and it was she who taught me fighting and combat. We were so alike and in touch it was a closeness I'd never had before or since; no wonder I was unhappy with her loss. It was the end of 1996 and I came across Internet access at my local university library, and Netscape's news reader. A little perusing of group titles led to... alt.fan.furry. Hmmmm...

I lurked there for a while and while some people were a little nuts, I wasn't (yet) put off and decided to post. Netscape's news reader needed an e-mail address which I didn't have. I scratched on a scrap paper for a while and remembered some line about the wolf at the door and thought, wolf at your door... Hmmm... wolf@your.door. It took it and I was able to post.

A short bit of fiddling on paper turned that into w@y.d, then w@yd, then Wayd. Wayd Wolf. Cool. I had a handle. (pronounced "wade")

I used it to write ludicrous comedy bits at a time when I was suicidally depressed. To my great surprise, they were rather well received and several people even became friends to this day. I was doing my funniest stuff, and comedy had never been my thing, when I was most totally wanting to die.

So I've been writing anthropomorphics since long before finding a.f.f, and have always had it as an interest. But since coming into furrydom, I've found that my eyes have been opened to a wide world of extremely intelligent but extremely dysfunctional and extremely unwise people who while holding themselves out as the most caring, loving, tolerant, and inclusive people on this or any other planet, are actually less caring, loving, tolerant, and inclusive than society at large by leaps and bounds.

I ran into furry after furry who wanted me to write specifically for their tastes. I can't do more than use what I have and make do. Tailoring everything I write to them is impossible. Writing for free on Usenet isn't like art commissions.

I met furry after furry who wanted me to partake of their fetishes. Sorry, I don't screw dogs, I don't stuff it up a plushie, and I'm not into an anatomically correct fursuit. But simply being tolerant of their idiocy wasn't enough. Oh no, I HAD to do what they wanted or I was being intolerant. See, tolerance = doing whatever they do.

The CF8 firestorm hit and I tried to sit in the middle of the road between the spooge monkeys who I was still trying desperately to be open minded for and tolerant of, and those who were understandably upset like Ed Kline. His lady Kishma Danielle had a lot of kind words for me via Hotmail which I'd gotten by that point.

I've watched the usual schoolyard bullying thing by the truckload. Gangstomping the fur of derision of the moment. I've seen truckloads of people who were broken hearted over people using them online and getting their hopes up and leading their hearts and then crushing them for their own amusement. Furries can be as mean as third graders.

Fast forward to now. I've hosted the infamous Nekobe and no, I won't go into any details. Suffice to say he went home after the planned three months were up and we went out separate ways. But you know what? No matter how bad it got or whatever he did, I STILL CARED FOR HIM AS A PERSON. Still do. I don't have enemies. I have regrets that some people want so desperately to create conflict and have an enemy that no matter what I do for them and how I listen to their problems and what advice I give them, they still kick me in the teeth. I always wonder if there was one more thing I might have tried.

I've been on IM for some years now starting with ICQ, and now am on all four via Trillian(Y, AIM, ICQ, M). Over the years furs have tracked me down one by one to approach me about how pathetic and wortheless their lives are and oh by the way Wayd, can you help me fix it? But my advice is quite simple and old fashioned. Stop being a self-deluded victim-junkie and straighten up. Dress like you mean to impress and not like your mother sent you off to summer camp(no shorts, knee-high socks with sandals, and t-shirt). Shower every day and understand that cologne is not just a place in Germany. Learn to NOT talk about furry to mundanes. Hold a conversation on what the other person finds interesting.

IOW, self confidence, social risk taking, hard work, caring for others, empathy, sympathy, love, pain, sex, all the usuals most people take for granted every day.

Well, I've had more vitriol spewed at me for that than anything I've ever said on a.f.f. How dare I tell them what they DIDN'T want to hear?

I've tried to remain caring and loving and well... I can't remain silently open minded anymore. I care too much about anthropomorphics as an area of creative endeavor and the cretinous fools' well-being to remain silent. If you have a brother and he's being a self-destructive dip and wallowing in pathological behaviours that keep getting more twisted and insane year after year, do you sit quiet and let it happen?

My criticism of the problem children of furry is tough love. I cannot and will not sit back quietly while furries keep doing this sort of thing to themselves. While some of the web board posters in the SA examples are only RPing, many are truly deluded and believe themselves to be dragons and such.

Ever see the ones who think they can "shift" among the so-called werewolves? I've run into so many furs who really ernestly believe themselves to be victims of an uncaring society that has nothing better to do than persecute them. Society didn't make them believe they were a six-foot tall fox-coyote crossbreed in a human body and that they should have sex with their poodle.

If you care at all about anthropomorphics and the people in it, you can't very well let those with the problems go without a word against it. They reflect badly on the fandom and in my view the all too common willingness to turn a blind eye to them makes us look even worse. As if those of us who aren't total loons don't give a rat's tail about the rest.

There's a line between the SA and PoE goons invading just to amuse their cynical natures and internal criticisms from those who partake of anthropomorphics, but we're just feeding them at this point. It's a sign of the decay and how little is actually getting done to clean things up and help out fellows to clean up.

Sorry to rant, but I sometimes feel a need to elaborate. If you don't see me here for a few days, the conception thing, a problem room mate, and work are becoming time consuming more than I want.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

six THOUSAND pages ?!

how long did that take you ??
and are they seperate books ??

cuz i think 6000 pages would be a stack of 3 or 4 phone books

-mouse

angel-paws · Recusant Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 19

still no reason for making childeren looking rediculous, neither to depress someone site, wich he worked long on... also, take a look of there site: STINKS

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Actually I think most people are here, because the fandom does have it's fair share of problems and most of the furry's who do show up on here have a rare ability to laugh at themselves and the fandom.

I've never regarded CYD as a furry hate site more as let's see what goofy things this lot are getting up to this week site. A large percentage of Furry fandom is laughable at just due to it's stupidity. I find parts of it absolutely hilarious but I still like drawing my funny animal people :P

I'm a brit, Hot topic doesn't exist over here and those shirts have only recently been available, and the saying is very very true to me, people try (try being the operative word) to make fun of me because I'm into some things they have stereotyped unfortunately for them I don't fit any of the stereotypes. Yet they keep insisting I must fit into the mould.. *shrugs* people are idiots... it doesn't matter how many times you insist if someone likes A they must therefore be B, if it's not true then it just isn't true. Most Goth's aren't much better than most furries anyway XD

And yes I think people who just sit around laughing instead of doing something useful are idiots like the people who haven't got a creative bone in their bodies yet who think other people's art is something to make fun of, everyone has something they can't do but honestly it is more productive to enable people to learn how to better themselves than to just stand around laughing when you haven't even got the courage to try yourself.

I bet Everyone here has something they're good at or bad at..the only difference is that parts of the furry fandom seem to like making the things they are bad at or the just plain warped parts of them public.

Yes I make fun of furry but at least I can laugh at myself too :P

Repomancer · Apocrisiary Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 47

and all i have to say about PoE and SA is
forum invasion and harassment of people is CROSSING THE FUCKING LINE by MILES

Agreed, but you're confusing PoE and SA. Forum invasion will get you flamed out of existence and banned from PoE in seconds, while SA promotes it. Can we be clear on that point? If you don't believe me, ask Computolio or Ghenghis. PoE makes fun of things on their own forums and anything else isn't tolerated, at all, period. Go there and look up my profile (I use the same nick); there are maybe fifteen people with more posts than me, so I know whereof I speak. I wouldn't hang out there if forum/guestbook/livejournal/etc. invasion was acceptable; it wouldn't be fun.

Also -- on the last page of the SA feature is a clip from a post I made on this very board. Hee!

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

I've never regarded CYD as a furry hate site more as let's see what goofy things this lot are getting up to this week site.

Ahhh... perfect! THX

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

n/p it's true after all ^_^

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

Agreed, but you're confusing PoE and SA. Forum invasion will get you flamed out of existence and banned from PoE in seconds, while SA promotes it. Can we be clear on that point? If you don't believe me, ask Computolio or Ghenghis. PoE makes fun of things on their own forums and anything else isn't tolerated, at all, period. Go there and look up my profile (I use the same nick); there are maybe fifteen people with more posts than me, so I know whereof I speak. I wouldn't hang out there if forum/guestbook/livejournal/etc. invasion was acceptable; it wouldn't be fun.

Ok, thats fine, ill just concede that PoE is not my style , neither is SA (anymore)...PoE i was totally unaware of until i seen it mentioned on PressedFur, somethignawful i used to go to years ago on and off, never onthe forums, just the front page ...but later on when i went back some of the shit i found out they were doing i wanted nothing to do with, further compounding that is when i read about them invading furcadia - again TOTALLY unacceptable

and just so long as you acknowledge that PoE did infact invade a whole shitload of Livejournals , remember i posted that link to it ? they dont do it anymore , its against the rules ,

fine, it DID happen though
thats all i was saying

plus are certain types of people there that i refuse to associate with (like the guy i mentioned)

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Btw I poked around PoE recently and there was a huge argument going on about Invasion, someone threaten to invade something and two days later it was done but the person claimed they hadn't done it.

Also a argument about a site was trying to track someone who'd posted a rather disgusting picture to a site....So Having read these how does PoE know that it's do not invade rules are being stuck too?

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

Also a argument about a site was trying to track someone who'd posted a rather disgusting picture to a site....So Having read these how does PoE know that it's do not invade rules are being stuck too?

The phrase "there's always one, isn't there?" comes to mind. And when it comes to guestbooks, one person is all it takes to kill it.

In any case, yeah - despite the efforts of the admins and regulars, it happens. Oddly enough, a lot of these guestbook postings are often from a particular group of disgruntled featured webmasters who have seen fit to "warn" each new site about the fact that they've been featured. I'm not sure what they hope to gain from this, or whether they truly think they're doing their fellow webmasters a favour, but hey.
Of course, anyone who has their guestbook attacked can just send the IP addresses to Chet and he'll ban them from PoE. Simple as that.

Repomancer · Apocrisiary Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 47

and just so long as you acknowledge that PoE did infact invade a whole shitload of Livejournals , remember i posted that link to it ? they dont do it anymore , its against the rules ,

fine, it DID happen though
thats all i was saying

Very true, sir. No argument.

The livejournal invasion is one of the three cases I know of where the PoE admins loosed the hounds. In that instance, a livejournal poster lifted copyrighted material from Old Man Murray that Chet wrote and claimed it as his own. Chet was understandably annoyed, and complained to livejournal.com. They refused to remove the posting, and the poster made it "private" while still claiming ownership of Chet's writing. Result: carpetbombing.

My point was that Something Awful is another thing entirely, and shouldn't be lumped into the same book. 'Nuff said.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

The livejournal invasion is one of the three cases I know of where the PoE admins loosed the hounds. In that instance, a livejournal poster lifted copyrighted material from Old Man Murray that Chet wrote and claimed it as his own. Chet was understandably annoyed, and complained to livejournal.com. They refused to remove the posting, and the poster made it "private" while still claiming ownership of Chet's writing. Result: carpetbombing.

My point was that Something Awful is another thing entirely, and shouldn't be lumped into the same book. 'Nuff said.

oh yeah, i read all about it
i probably just personally wouldnt have handled it that way...i think it would have been better to take screen shots, keep the emails and have a little link on the front page to a permanent section showing exactly what livejournal did.
but it really doesnt matter

i almost never go on livejournal...to be honest i dont know why that shit has gotten so popular
to me its seems to be just a complex message board web with people syndicating thier posts thru friends lists and interests lists

i dunno , dont use it enough to understand it

but at any rate , ok, i wont lump them (PoE / SA) together then, np

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Actually I think most people are here, because the fandom does have it's fair share of problems and most of the furry's who do show up on here have a rare ability to laugh at themselves and the fandom.

I *used to* laugh at it back when I was trying desperately to remain open minded, but it just kept growing more and more twisted as I remained in the fandom, it just got deeper in its twisted convolutions. Laughing at it now feels more like casting the twits to the winds and letting them suffer. I'm not laughing anymore, I'm calling these dips out to account for their own part in their own downward spiral. Would we just sit and laught at alcoholics or drug addicts? If it was the way it was years and years ago with the dysfunctionals being a very small minority and most of the unsightliness being purposeful over-the-top playing, I would laugh it off.

I've never regarded CYD as a furry hate site more as let's see what goofy things this lot are getting up to this week site. A large percentage of Furry fandom is laughable at just due to it's stupidity. I find parts of it absolutely hilarious but I still like drawing my funny animal people :P

And there's nothing wrong with that. Consider the artist who posted here recently about not taking certain subject matter for commission and still getting hit up for it. If you can deal with it, fine. I've been point blank *ordered* to write more graphic sex scenes into my stuff. I can't write sex scenes well. I feel self-conscious about it and keep thinking, "is this any good or is this just based on what I've read in Penthous Letters? I don't describe my sexual encounters in excrutiating detail to titillate, so how do I phrase any of this?" I've tried to yiff chat with a very good friend and I can't manage it. Easier to do the sex than write about it. "What do I call the vagina? By which slang term? Great, this is looking like a romance novel from Hell. Screw this, I'll go back to a fight scene and deal with this another time."

I'm a brit, Hot topic doesn't exist over here and those shirts have only recently been available, and the saying is very very true to me, people try (try being the operative word) to make fun of me because I'm into some things they have stereotyped unfortunately for them I don't fit any of the stereotypes. Yet they keep insisting I must fit into the mould.. *shrugs* people are idiots... it doesn't matter how many times you insist if someone likes A they must therefore be B, if it's not true then it just isn't true. Most Goth's aren't much better than most furries anyway XD

Oh, you may eventually get the whole goth/angsty/depressing horsehockey over there, or you may not. They'd be better off if they obsessed over German beer varieties or how to plant roses or something equally harmless. Here, we have a lot of people who think that wearing offensive statements on their shirts to purposely cheese off the public at large makes them the avant garde and true thinkers. They're of course little posers who haven't ever had an original thought of value and more to the point, they know it so they make up for that by being pompous little twits instead of using the brains they were born with. All that brain power going to waste...

Of course, the people who think they are vampires are the really annoying ones. I've got a visual sensitivity to light due to hypoglycemia, but not as bad as a former coworker who needs glasses in anything brighter than candlelight. And a good friend's wife has Lupus so she's really not comfortable in the sun. Yet they regularly tell me they could burst into flames. I wonder if their families have little scrapbook photos of them at the beach...

And yes I think people who just sit around laughing instead of doing something useful are idiots like the people who haven't got a creative bone in their bodies yet who think other people's art is something to make fun of, everyone has something they can't do but honestly it is more productive to enable people to learn how to better themselves than to just stand around laughing when you haven't even got the courage to try yourself.

Well we've lost in furry a load of people who are very functional and rightfully able to be critics, who have real lives, who do live in the rough and tumble of reality, for whom furry is a proper hobby, not an all consuming definition of everything from dinner to sex to conversation. I stay because my writing is heavy on the anthropomorphic characters. They're not there because of them being two-legged animals, but as window dressing I find nice to use to tell morality plays or do drama or whatever. But the sci-fi world well knows furry insanity and so I'm automatically lumped in with the furverts.

I bet Everyone here has something they're good at or bad at..the only difference is that parts of the furry fandom seem to like making the things they are bad at or the just plain warped parts of them public.

And I think that much of that is due to the continuing co-dependant enabler nature of furry. We're long past the event horizon and headed for collapse. At first, a lot of creative trippy people dabbled in anthropomorphics as a hobby. Many were SCA and sci-fi types or both as well and this was merely an extension. Look how much furry early on was distinctly medieval/Tolkein-esque or blatantly sci-fi.

So the trippy people knowing they were outside the norm somewhat were kind of open and tolerant towars the more seriously deluded fools and when that word got out, that furry accepts you no matter what(ala Jesus and God), but never judges you ever and everything you do is holy and good(ala mass atheistic/agnostic society). Best of both worlds: a place where you're accepted and loved and never held to any standards. Like church with videogames. All Heaven, no Hell. All vice is really a higher virtue. Where else do you hear that? From psychotic serial killers and cult leaders...

We're at the point where the furverts and such are the majority or rabidly like to think they are, and that they set the rules for who is and is not a furry. They will openly tell females to their face that furry is for gay boys and not for girls. They will openly tell people for whom it is a hobby to sod off and leave furry to those whose entire life it is. My wedding was unacceptable because I was only a bit writer and not a well known artist who draws their favorite vore/spooge/macro/combination art. "Well sorry all to Hell for not churning out pics of eight year old vixens getting porked by slobbering hounds with tentacles. I didn't know that's what furry is all about to you dumbasses."

Are the drips and doofuses the majority or merely looking like it due to silence from the majority? Well, silence in this case is as good as condoning it all and so we will continue to accrete waste-cases and hangers on for whom furry is not a true interest for creativity, but a place to hide from their own lives which they themselves have always had the power to make of what they will but they're too afraid, or lazy, or whatever.

Yes I make fun of furry but at least I can laugh at myself too :p

I started out self-deprecating. I still am(around the house and friends I am a total court jester). But I'm not going to go so far as to debase myself before the alter of the uber-lifestylers, furverts, and problem kids to make them feel better about themselves. Any opening given to them is like a nowhere slacker watching Jerry Springer and saying, "and I thought *I* was screwed up..."

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

I *used to* laugh at it

But that’s what all the furries you harangue on alt.fan.furry do to your own statements about how bad furry is and all that stuff.

Now, I’m not suggesting that you should actually go and “try to fix” furry, but why do you keep on haranguing people on that NG?

It’s not like it accomplishes anything except making you look like an overbearing fool who gets laughed off by people.

If I were you, you should just sit and look, rather than shout and froth, it lowers your dignity you know and accomplishes nothing.

Nothing.

-David

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

I *used to* laugh at it

But that’s what all the furries you harangue on alt.fan.furry do to your own statements about how bad furry is and all that stuff.

Now, I’m not suggesting that you should actually go and “try to fix” furry, but why do you keep on haranguing people on that NG?

It’s not like it accomplishes anything except making you look like an overbearing fool who gets laughed off by people.

If I were you, you should just sit and look, rather than shout and froth, it lowers your dignity you know and accomplishes nothing.

Nothing.

-David

David, did you pay NO attention to ANYTHING I said? I tried silence, I tried peacemaking, I tried tolerance.

What did I get? I got furry after furry contacting me by e-mail and IM, looking for me to help and then bitchslapping me by text, when I told them exactly what my answer was and what they didn't want to hear:

1. take responsibility for yourself, stop blaming everyone else
2. stop feeling sorry for yourself, start seeing what you do have that's good
3. dress like an adult, stop dressing like a twelve-year-old
4. clean up your hygeine, shower, use cologne/aftershave, stay that way
5. stop talking and thinking about furry more than fifteen minutes in any given day, start talking and thinking about the REAL WORLD
6. get a job and hold it, stop whining about how hard it is
7. stop obsessing about fetish sex, start obsessing about REAL SEX
8. stop fantasizing about furry creatures and start fantasizing about REAL PEOPLE

Simple things NORMAL PEOPLE take for granted every day all across the world. Furries NEED TO. These things with some others, bring about marriages, children, families, homes, lives, etc. The kind of thing so many of those who contacted me said they really wanted. "How does Wayd have a wife and a good job and write furry and I don't? Come on Wayd, tell me what I should do, I'm about ready to kill myself."

SOME would tell them to pull the trigger. I don't.

I've tried the soft approach. I've tried the helpful approach. Now I'm through being nice and soft and fuzzy about it all. I'm sick of the pathetic putzes constantly bring shame and scorn upon all of anthropomorphics and even more, tired of the silent majority sitting there silent, as the yutzes parade around, sinking further and further into self-destruction and taking the reputation of anthropomorphics with it permanently.

No more Mr. Nice Guy.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

David, did you pay NO attention to ANYTHING I said? I tried silence, I tried peacemaking, I tried tolerance.

What did I get? I got furry after furry contacting me by e-mail and IM, looking for me to help and then bitchslapping me by text, when I told them exactly what my answer was and what they didn't want to hear:

Then tell them to bugger off and ignore them. It's that simple.

1. take responsibility for yourself, stop blaming everyone else
2. stop feeling sorry for yourself, start seeing what you do have that's good
3. dress like an adult, stop dressing like a twelve-year-old
4. clean up your hygeine, shower, use cologne/aftershave, stay that way
5. stop talking and thinking about furry more than fifteen minutes in any given day, start talking and thinking about the REAL WORLD
6. get a job and hold it, stop whining about how hard it is
7. stop obsessing about fetish sex, start obsessing about REAL SEX
8. stop fantasizing about furry creatures and start fantasizing about REAL PEOPLE

What is normal?
How do adults dress?
What is "real sex"?
Are furry creatures any less obtainable for joe average than a film star?

Simple things NORMAL PEOPLE take for granted every day all across the world. Furries NEED TO. These things with some others, bring about marriages, children, families, homes, lives, etc. The kind of thing so many of those who contacted me said they really wanted. "How does Wayd have a wife and a good job and write furry and I don't? Come on Wayd, tell me what I should do, I'm about ready to kill myself."

SOME would tell them to pull the trigger. I don't.

I've tried the soft approach. I've tried the helpful approach. Now I'm through being nice and soft and fuzzy about it all. I'm sick of the pathetic putzes constantly bring shame and scorn upon all of anthropomorphics and even more, tired of the silent majority sitting there silent, as the yutzes parade around, sinking further and further into self-destruction and taking the reputation of anthropomorphics with it permanently.

No more Mr. Nice Guy.

Stop being a clingy attention freak please.
You've spouted this same junk over and over, and It's tedious.

In fact, I am attempting to program a random rant generator using words and phrases that you've used so that you never need exert yourself again, and can instead devote more time to working.

-dave

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

Then tell them to bugger off and ignore them. It's that simple.

Yeah, cause that approach always works when dealing with clingy, whiny nerds who will befriend anyone out of sheer desperation. :roll:

What is normal?
How do adults dress?
What is "real sex"?
Are furry creatures any less obtainable for joe average than a film star?

The answers are "Not wanting to fuck cartoon characters", "smart, casual, and with some attempt at dignity", "when the guy sticks his dick in the girl's pussy", and "No, because a least film stars actually exist", respectively.

Stop being a clingy attention freak please.
You've spouted this same junk over and over, and It's tedious.

In fact, I am attempting to program a random rant generator using words and phrases that you've used so that you never need exert yourself again, and can instead devote more time to working.

post code plz

-dave

-sleix
residential hazard marker

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

I haven't bothered reading through all the crap you people posted on the last two pages, i have better things to do. So, excuse me if you got off topic..
I like Something Awful, one of the main reasons being that they hate furries. Whether the furries like it or not, being a furry is nothing more than an ungodly combination of having a cartoon fetish and animal fetish.
I've actually heard people make fun of the SA people. IMHO, at least they can get laid by actual humans.

Repomancer · Apocrisiary Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 47

are you the queer pedophile Common Sense that got chased out of Portal of Evil recently?

If so, be prepared to get chased out of here too, unless Computolio or Mitch tells me not to.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

I like Something Awful, one of the main reasons being that they hate furries.

this might crush you, but i think its best you know...are you sitting down?

you did know there are furries on that SomethingAwful site, right ?

I've actually heard people make fun of the SA people.

holy...shit ..
we gotta find out WHO, and prosecute them to the FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW

you say it like it was blasphemous or something
anyone can make fun of anyone they want, dude...sorry, but it applies to SA too

(and while i personally felt some furry bashing is at worst 'totally innaccurate or stupid' and at best 'amusing' ive never said it SHOULDNT or COULDNT be done)

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Yeah, cause that approach always works when dealing with clingy, whiny nerds who will befriend anyone out of sheer desperation. :roll:

I'm sure spewing abuse at anyone will make them not want to be your k4wl friend.

The answers are "Not wanting to fuck cartoon characters",

And are the sort of women that many men fantasise about any more unreal than a cartoon charecter or liken unto one in their 2-d ness?

"smart, casual, and with some attempt at dignity",

What is dignity? (that's a subjective term if ever there was one)
What is casual and what is smart? (both also extremely subjective)

"when the guy sticks his dick in the girl's pussy",

Umm, so no GhEY Butt-sex then?
Also, Girl what?
Girl dog?
Girl as in child or girl as in women?

and "No, because a least film stars actually exist", respectively.

and how likely is it that any given joe average will meet a film star who thence say unto to him: "OMG! Give it to me big boy"?

The chances are so infintesinmal that you might as well say "It's never going to happen".

post code plz

Programming is probably too strong a word since I don't reall know the f*** it really works, however I'm modifiying that .dat files files of it so that it produces coherent sentences from genuine phrases as used by WAYD.

There is a screenshot of it working here:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/wayd.gif

This is the contents of the Structs files so far:

%N_%j_%c_%A%x

N = nouns

J= adjectives etc etc.

-Dave

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

I've actually heard people make fun of the SA people. IMHO, at least they can get laid by actual humans.

Best poking-fun-at-SA site I've seen: Someone Awful.

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

EDIT:^^^^^ Holy shit, That's EURO'S SITE! :o :o :o
http://www.stateog.com/index.pl?node=Euronymous&lastnode_id=403 :D

(forenote: Yeah, I'm an SA forum member, and the furries they have on there (Doodles and such) are, as far as I can tell, REALLY nice and generally 8) people.)

Umm..SA itself does NOT promote forum invasions. If fact, planning a forum invasion on the SA forums will get you called a fuckwit and subsequently banned, and it counts for ALL types of forums. I remember a while back someone posted a link to a forum where people thought they were psychic vampires or some crap like that, telling them NOT to invade because he didn't want to be blamed for planning it. Just look, not touch he said.

They invaded it. They archived the site (people with broadband would save the site multiple times en masse, pushing bandwidth consumption up for the site), posted goatse and tubgirl everywhere, and gay porn. A few just posted some satirical poetry and some comments cutting some of the more illiterate users of the forum.

Guess what happened? The admin cracked down, BIGTIME. They banned a lot of people from the thread where the invasion took off, and OMGWTFBBQ(an SA admin and writer) joined the vampire forums and requested the IPs of the invaders for any users who might not have posted in the SA thread. He was extremely thourough, and gave many apologies to the admin of the vamp forum for the behavior of the invaders.

Something Awful itself more or less generally keeps to itself and respects other people's wishes and privacy. It's their forum members that sometimes slip through past the banhammer and cause havoc (there's over 20,000 members now, it's hard to moderate that many people). I think throwing a blanket of condemnation over the entire SA forums is just as bad as telling someone like Doodles to "GO FUCK A SKUNK YIFF YIFF ^____^ FURRIE FAGOT"

Unless I am misinterpreting something in this post in which case I'm a complete and utter fucking moron. :(

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

I think throwing a blanket of condemnation over the entire SA forums is just as bad as telling someone like Doodles to "GO FUCK A SKUNK YIFF YIFF ^____^ FURRIE FAGOT"

What, furries bitching about everyone assuming they're all fetish-crazed psychotic unwashed retards on the basis of a couple of bad apples, then going out and pigeonholing everyone else in the same way?

SURELY NOT...

Repomancer · Apocrisiary Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 47

Umm..SA itself does NOT promote forum invasions.

Since you're an SA forum member, I defer to you on the subject. I probably made the mistake of lumping forum invasions together with guestbook invasions, which are unquestionably promoted all the time on the ALODs ("Oh looky, they have a guestbook! (link provided) Be sure to tell them what you think!") and gazillions of examples of this can be dug up in the SA archives.

I agree, Doodles is way cool. He wrote one of the best furry exposés I've ever read.

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

Yes, guestbook invasions I do not entirely approve of, as they are borderline forum invasions if you ask me. Likewise the Livejournal comment invasions. I once participated in one, thinking it would be great fun, but instead turned out to be like two ships passing in the night. All it was was just a horde of goons (SA forum members, for those not down on the lingo) posting arguements against, what have you else, goatse...basically the same as a forum invasion, except without the feel of it. Then, two mornings after, it was done and it went back to their usual 3 comments instead of numbering in the two hundreds.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

Yes, guestbook invasions I do not entirely approve of, as they are borderline forum invasions if you ask me. Likewise the Livejournal comment invasions. I once participated in one, thinking it would be great fun, but instead turned out to be like two ships passing in the night. All it was was just a horde of goons (SA forum members, for those not down on the lingo) posting arguements against, what have you else, goatse...basically the same as a forum invasion, except without the feel of it. Then, two mornings after, it was done and it went back to their usual 3 comments instead of numbering in the two hundreds.

just as a sort of funny sidenote

i was never on the SA forums
and a while ago i just started calling them goons cuz thats what they struck me as

had nothign to do with any lingo ...in fact until just very recently i wasnt aware that that was thier "official" name

Keelos · Recusant Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 2

I was thanking that site along with portal of evil because I'm not the only one hating the xxx rated humanoid animal art. i got happy when people started posting trash comments about the disgusting things that people who pretend to be animals do.

p.s. i don't hate all of the furry. just yiff.

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

What wrong with a bit of spooge? so long as it don't get too weird it's not too bad, besides Sex is the thing we humans mostly think about.

I've got no problem with someone drawing to anthro Wolves getting down to it, it's were the cub art and other more sickening fetishes come in that worries me.

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

My opionion is that anthro is fine, I guess.

Anything too sexual starts creeping me out because I'm a blackhearted republican. Well, at least it creeps me out.

It's like seeing a yearbook picture of a really pretty girl and saying "Wow, she's really pretty, I'd like to court her."

Then you see her in a hardcore porn, and you're thinking that the charm kinda went out of her, she's no longer really pretty in your eyes. At least thats how it is with me.

The same with anthro art. i guess some of it can look pretty cool, but when they whip out the footlong hot pink phalli, it's like jumping into a fire.

A "HOLY SHIT NO" type of response.