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Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

"I have nothing against tasteful anthropomorphic nudes."

What does this statement mean to you?

AngryPuritan · Vociferator Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 399

Bugs bunny never wore pants... although he wore a few dresses.

I'll be honest in that I have never seen a totally tasteful fandom-originated anthro nude. If you show me one, I'll comment, but I have yet to see one.

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Venter Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 258

I believe any female anthro that poses in a sexy, but non-explicit way is fine. When they start to get fucked up the ass by a male with a foot long johnson and covered in penis pudding; that's when I object.

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 631

"I have nothing against tasteful anthropomorphic nudes."

What does this statement mean to you?

It means that someone thinks (or likes to pretend) he can have his jerk material and be able to show it to friends/family too.

Dr. Dos · Venter Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 244

"tasteful" in my opinion is just a lightly put way of saying softcore for the mostpart.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

...what compu said.

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

Few if any anthro nudes are done in a way that is not meant to induce humor and/or arousal. Not that there's anything wrong with that of course.

Sehvekah · Qualificator Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 39

I'll be honest in that I have never seen a totally tasteful fandom-originated anthro nude. If you show me one, I'll comment, but I have yet to see one.

Of course the whole idea of "taseful" is fairly subjective. Still, I'm gonna go ahead and ask if this counts.

As for the question at hand, it means that the person is open to the possibility of, if not wank-worthy, then at least decent furry porn existing. Somewhere.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 473

I'll be honest in that I have never seen a totally tasteful fandom-originated anthro nude. If you show me one, I'll comment, but I have yet to see one.

Of course the whole idea of "taseful" is fairly subjective. Still, I'm gonna go ahead and ask if this counts.

That is tasteful. I don't see it helping my carpal tunnel problem though ;)

Lazarian · Qualificator Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Posts: 21

I don't have a problem with anthro art that portrays nudity or eroticism. Done with a little thought, it can be a unique statement of sensuality and a mirror of different aspects of our own humanity. It's when said art becomes a fetish vehicle that it becomes problematic.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I think Lazarian summed it up nicely.

I personally have similar standards for measuring anthro nudes as "tasteful" as I do actual human nudes. To me, tasteful implies a certain indirect sensuality/sexuality. A tasteful image is not merely depicting nudity for the sake of nudity. It may capture a moment in time, such as a bather pausing whistfully, or simply depicted going through the motions of something... the image intended to portray a moment and a mood, rather than directly present the viewer with some tits and ass. Often, these images present the subject in a way that implies we are actually glimpsing this moment while not being a part of it... that somehow we are seeing something from miles away... rather than directly involving the viewer in the scene in some voyeuristic fashion. Or it may capture the motion of the model, exploring the grace of the human mechanics.

I often find some of the sexiest nudes to be the ones where you don't see anything... the subject is obviously nude, but you don't get all of the details. In the case of that "lostvixen" image, I'd count it as tasteful. The artist might appear to be trying a little too hard to capture a sense of tastefulness, but overall succeeds.

Maybe one way to describe it is to say I consider tasteful to say "here is a lovely form to admire." Something tasteless says "here is something we figure you'd like to stick your dick in."

Incidentally, in searching Google for keywords that would bring up images to illustrate my points, I found this site with avatars you guys might like.

AngryPuritan · Vociferator Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 399

The lostvixen is fairly contextless. There is something very predatorial about the young female being lost and alone. It can been seen as tasteful, and I think I would have to agree. That's not to say that there isn't a plethora of piggies who will fap themselves stupid to it either.

Why do so many good artists stay, when they could get out of the fandumb, and sell non-fetish works to the masses? Furries may be dumb enough to spend their life savings on triple cock hermtaurs, but the artist could also get the same 45 dollars by selling something tasteful.

Look at dark natasha. She could be a fairly well-paid artist, but who will hire her if they found out she did a gay orgy comission back in 1999(only used as an example, didn't happen to my knowledge)?

They doom themselves to the fandumb.

Ruggy · Qualificator Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 10

Why do so many good artists stay, when they could get out of the fandumb, and sell non-fetish works to the masses? Furries may be dumb enough to spend their life savings on triple cock hermtaurs, but the artist could also get the same 45 dollars by selling something tasteful.

I have heard tell from freelancers like Ursula Vernon that art directors don't really care what you do in your free time, just so long as you can do what they want you to do in the time given. The stigma they have against furry art is that a lot of times furries don't/can't draw anything else. So long as you show you're not just a one-trick pony, you should be good to go.

Unless you include triple-cock hermtaurs in your portfolio, that is.

That's just what I've heard - I believe it's mostly the video game industry that won't hire people just on the basis of them being furries. I think I heard something about the animation industry, too, but it's hard enough to get a job there anyway.

Though, yeah; if you draw nothing but furry spooge (or even just furries; x-rated or not), you are pretty much shooting yourself in the foot as far as artistic marketability goes.

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1030

Why do so many good artists stay, when they could get out of the fandumb, and sell non-fetish works to the masses? Furries may be dumb enough to spend their life savings on triple cock hermtaurs, but the artist could also get the same 45 dollars by selling something tasteful.

Theres no reason artists cant do both actually. Its not one or the other. Sell your mainstream stuff to the mainstream, sell your 'underground' stuff underground (or to whatever audience you think might want to see it). Thats what most artists do. Theres quite a few fucked up artists out there no matter what medium we are talking about.

They get popular enough, and people have more interest in them individually.

And when people want to see *all* your work. Show them all your work.

Happens all the time, and nobody cares. How unusual do you guys really think it is that an artist has created some very dark, very strange or disturbing pieces of work, if not mostly just because they themselves wanted to?

Look at dark natasha. She could be a fairly well-paid artist, but who will hire her if they found out she did a gay orgy comission back in 1999(only used as an example, didn't happen to my knowledge)?

I have heard tell from freelancers like Ursula Vernon that art directors don't really care what you do in your free time, just so long as you can do what they want you to do in the time given. The stigma they have against furry art is that a lot of times furries don't/can't draw anything else. So long as you show you're not just a one-trick pony, you should be good to go.

Do you want your art hanging in a gallery or are we talking freelance here. Cuz if its freelance.. someone just has to like your work and feel you would be a valuable asset. You have to show work of a variety that someone might pick up on some of it. And its all about money from there. Can you make something that will sell a product or serve a businesses needs? That has way more to do with being able to follow directions and interperate what someone is trying to communicate to you rather than what your personal tastes in art are. How often is commercially used artwork signed? Its not, if anything the artist might get thier name in some credits somewhere. They arn't there to market themselves at that point, they are there to do a job.

As far as the rest of it - maybe some dumbass furry disrupting the workplace with thier furriness - sure. But with that type of person it would be surprising they could get a job in the first place. Outside of that an employer has no business poking thier noses into the personal lives of thier employees. Its not likely to happen anytime soon because of the standards in furry fandom - im just saying these "rules" tend to go out the window if you look at them closely.

I work for a banking corporation and techinically Im not supposed to run for any public office, work at another bank, or even work any other job without approval of an HR rep, and my immedaite supervisor. Well you know what? Fuck them, its none of thier business. And anyone who's had a corporate job knows what Im talking about. You watch what you say to who in that type of enviroment. Its a whole different world. Im a bill collector, its an entry level field - and I see lots of college kids my age get thier asses fired because they behave just like its their old job at McDonalds or whatever. Meanwhile, I been there for 4 years with my substandard performance history :)

Of course the whole idea of "tasteful" is fairly subjective. Still, I'm gonna go ahead and ask if this counts.

Edit: also, I have no shame in saying this is a near-perfect example of the type of (specifically) furry-art that I really like.

Ruggy · Qualificator Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 10

Do you want your art hanging in a gallery or are we talking freelance here.

Yeah, I was talking freelance.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

The main opposition I can see some companies.. like game companies.. having is if word leaks out that the illustrator of some game's sleeve was found to have produced works like dicknipple hermtaur orgies and such. Then, you'd have the worry about parental groups getting pissy. Hell... they'll see stuff that isn't even there in Disney movies, after all (the priest's "boner" in Little Mermaid which is really his knee... the "SEX" in Lion King which is really "SFX" for the special effects department... etc).

Then again, it depends on what games you'd be producing art for. Obviously, the folks that produce covers for games like Bloodrayne 2 probably have some interesting stuff to show.. but parents would go apeshit if somoene like Wookie was doing the next cover for Super Mario Kart 55.

viron · Rasophore Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 67

What does this statement mean to you?

Not much. Regardless of content, all furry art doesn't bother me by any moral implications... but all furry art sucks so the point is moot.

I believe it's mostly the video game industry that won't hire people just on the basis of them being furries. I think I heard something about the animation industry, too, but it's hard enough to get a job there anyway.

I heard straight from the horse's mouth back in the mid 90s (people who worked for disney and other anim companies) that those people knew who and what furries were and they didn't like them. Wouldnt stop you from getting a job if you were talented enough but you'd have a heck of time while working, so people in the biz who covorted around the fandom didn't make it known. It wasn't about a blacklisting thing, it was how you'd be treated by your coworkers. So of course if you applied for a job in animation you'd never say anything because you wouldn't know how the hiring people felt about furs. There was a coupla companies that honestly didn't care but they were the small outfits usually.

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

At the end of the day, your employer won't care what you do in your off hours - as long as it doesn't reflect badly on him. It all depends on the type of employer how much he'll accept, as ZenZhu pointed out.

The thing with some furries is that they are extremely vocal about their recreational preferences, and to most people having a sexual affinity for Minerva Mink is just damned weird, and they don't want to know about it. It's like insisting on tellling your co-workers that you like golden showers. To each his own etc, but don't bring it into the workplace.