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Computolio
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Posted: 6/13/2003 7:24:03 AM     Post subject: I can't believe it  

They don't know. They just don't know. Simply put, Schwartz still has as firm a footing as ever in the Amiga community. I was certain that they all began to get creeped out/got the picture as "Sabrina Online" got more and more bizarre as time went on, but I thought wrong...

He has to add "(more than likely)" given no genuine information to back up his claim.


That's Schwartz's reaction to my theory of his gradual shunning by the Amiga community, and it's vague nature led me to think he was just bullshitting. Turns out he was right and I was wrong; click the link to see what I mean.

Further poking around the Amiga community reveals that most people there still hold him in high/nostalgic regard. He's done mascots for other Amiga software projects (not JUST that Mozilla port project), people still call their hard drive partitions "Amy and "Sabrina", etc etc.

I have to wonder- do they really have a clue what this guy has really been up to for the past seven years? Do they even know he's a furry and what he's part of? Do they think that the "well-endowed animal character" thing is just a big ironic joke on his part?

I can't help but think that the poor bastards who're trying to make an incentive for someone to attempt to port Netscape to their hip-hop operating system just smattered their page with a furry pinup without fully realising it. Do they not know what a great deal of the rest of the internet world knows about that sort of thing?

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Posted: 6/13/2003 12:58:28 PM     Post subject: Oho! There's MORE!  

From the Slashdot Amizilla comments:
Eww, that furry cartoon holding the amiga beachball is kinda creeping me out.

See also Aros.org for some hot Schwartz catgirl action, plus Amiga users' reaction to the furry babe in question, including this:
I wonder if eric 'gets any' or if he just sits around his Comp all day fantasizing about horny catgirls?

For 'horny catgirls' read 'Zig Zag' methinks.
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Posted: 6/13/2003 8:15:55 PM     Post subject: Also this  

I forgot -

Go here to see some rare non-furry artwork from Eric.
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Posted: 6/13/2003 11:54:50 PM     Post subject: Re: Also this  

The furry thing does get brought up(scroll down), but it strikes me how little everyone cares. He still has the relatively untarnished "good furry" image- I don't think hardly anyone knows about his delightful side projects.

I forgot -

Go here to see some rare non-furry artwork from Eric.


Dear god does he suck at the drawing humans. Damn thing looks like some kind of Hanna-Barbera-Bratz abomination.

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Posted: 6/18/2003 11:46:19 AM     Post subject: Re: Also this  

Dear god does he suck at the drawing humans. Damn thing looks like some kind of Hanna-Barbera-Bratz abomination.

-duncan


Thing is, the guy's a furry artist through and through. Those are not h00man legs, they're some kind of freaky kneecapless gerbil-mutant legs. Apparently, Eric's just been drawing tons and tons of horny catgirls throughout his "artistic career", which would also explain why so many of his pictures lack a decent background.
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Posted: 6/18/2003 6:44:34 PM     Post subject:  

Actually the human fire girl isn't that bad..i've seen far more pathetic attempts *winces at the memory of some of them*
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Posted: 6/19/2003 8:23:35 AM     Post subject: Aw, c'mon, buddy!  

You can't leave us hangin' like that! Surely you can dredge up a link or two! Some of us need to be distracted from our own hideous, self-inflicted homework assignments!


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Posted: 7/14/2003 9:24:19 PM     Post subject: Are amiga community types stupid,or is Eric an evil magician  

Okay,I just looked at Eric's NON furry art..now,in all honesty..as far as commercial art ,not bad,as to entertainment/media art..it's the same old Jessica Rabbit/Tex Avery's red hot riding hood wannabe..not a damn bit of originality!my humans may look like a combo of Paul Coker jr/Vaughn Bode's "Syracuse"and"IF" era/early matsumoto super submarine99-sexeroid era folks..with a touch of Tezuka and the Fliescher Bros...but at least under all the grot ,there is an effort twards originality!As to the slavish adoration by what seems any poor soul that owns an amiga to that evil little elder god YOG ERIC,Why can't they see him for the banal,Hypocrytical,self serving,back stabbing ,over rated loser that he truly is.?.THE MAN IS ROTTEN EVIL!!!why do intellegent people keep giving him and his equally loathsome rival Brian O'Connell money?Why can't people see him for the smug little judas that he is?THE HEARTLESS FIEND MUST BE STOPPED!...any of yousre guys got an uncle or cousin in da' "bussines"? :wink: WE GOT RID OF SADDAM,WHY NOT ERIC? :twisted: :wink: :lol: :lol: Well,I got a lot of art I owe people,and my kids need some stuff,so I'm outta here! :D DEATH TO THE FALSE METAL ONES,VAE VICTUS!!!(Jerry Collins) :twisted:
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Posted: 7/14/2003 11:23:37 PM     Post subject:  

Geez, Jerry. I know the man's a twit about his characters and a hypocrite, but that's hardly enough to qualify as pure evil. I assume you must know some stuff that I don't, then. What's the deal with him and O'Connell?
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Posted: 7/15/2003 2:07:32 AM     Post subject: Eric&Brian  

Okay,New meat,it's like this;I consider Eric Schwartz level of "villiany"to comprised of various act of pettiness too numerous to recount.I refuse to waste yours,mine,and his (Eric's) by specificly naming every little incident since Adam was in Yeshva shool.Your'e right..I may have been over the top with Eric..but,what can I say ? he's a mean little bugger that stomped on a lot of people to get where he is and unleashed HELL itself on those who did not"TOW THE LINE"As to Brian,he betrayed my trust and those of my friends,and exploited me,AND MANY,MANY,OTHERS!So if I seem a bit "bileful",it was a bile bitterly earned..please understand.This is why Eric Schwartz and Brian O'Connell are the Hitler and Stalin of my artist experiences..so it goes!(Jerry Collins)
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Posted: 7/15/2003 4:15:20 AM     Post subject: Re:Herr Hinkle,er,..Eric  

:oops: that should be "wasting yours,mine and his (Eric's)TIME"sorry gang,I'm a crappy typist!sorry new meat,and Eric...I would say sorry too,but,why? :wink: Your'e a mean little man Eric,and one day,the chickens will come to roost on your roof,and the suckers are gonna be the size of B-29s! :twisted: So have fun mighty Nero,pluck your lyre while rome sizzles!the bar-b-q is almost over,so,have fun while you can..heh,heh,heh..HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHHAHHH !:twisted: (God!that felt good :wink: )Happy trails new meat,KEEP THE "NORMAL" PEOPLE NERVOUS!it's your patriotic duty!(Jerry ,out)
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Posted: 7/15/2003 6:26:36 AM     Post subject: Re: Eric&Brian  

Okay,New meat,it's like this;I consider Eric Schwartz level of "villiany"to comprised of various act of pettiness too numerous to recount.I refuse to waste yours,mine,and his (Eric's) by specificly naming every little incident since Adam was in Yeshva shool.


Fair enough. If you don't want to recount everything he's done, could you give us an example of something particularly egregious? Or at least something representative? I ask only because I think most of us here are at least a little annoyed at him because of a) his "I can draw porn of your characters but you can't draw porn of mine" attitude or b) the slow deterioration of Sabrina into a personal wank fantasy, but you seem to have had a more personal experience with the Schwartz. Perhaps I'm dense and his other crimes are common knowledge and I'm just too new to this whole scene to know of them yet, but I figured I'd ask. Since that's how you learn stuff. By asking.
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Posted: 7/15/2003 3:00:25 PM     Post subject: DER PHURRI FUHER  

Fair enough New meat m'man!I'ts BOTH a&b,his generally smug attitude,his Eddie Haskellesque ability to b.s. his way into potential suckers,er,clients' hearts,then rip out said hearts when that particular person is of no use to Eric any longer,the way he waves off any obligation he choses..Then blame someone else if it didn't go his way...His cult of personality...his obsession to be accepted by the "mainstream" while still cranking out second rate wank material(yeah,I've done sexy critter art too,but at least I owe up to the creation of my monsters,use my REAL name,and make sure none of it reaches the under 18 crowd..I also painted a mural in a small ,mostly black ,georgia baptist Church{ Vienna Ga,}and have drawn super heroes for the local kids once in a while..)At least the wank material I draw has some top notch effort in it,and not lazy ,corner cutting,give the basment dwelling frat boys what they want at all costs crap of Erics!He's a snob,a 2 faced fink,and I'M SICK OF THE MINDLESS ADORATION OF HIS ASSHOLINESS!!!now do you understand Newmeat why I'm so damned RABID when his or O'Connell's name gets bandied about?They are two rotten peas from the same rotten pod! EST TOTO!period!these are my words,and I WILL stand by them!(Jerry) :P :wink: okay,now do you guys understand where I'm at? :D cool!I may be a jerk,but at least I'm an HONEST JERK! :D
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Posted: 7/15/2003 6:03:39 PM     Post subject: Eric the icky  

Newmeat asked if there was a specific example..Here ya' go gang...When I was still stupid enough to waste my time a local"MEGA -MONSTER-MEDIA/S.F.MONEY MACHINE" known as Dragon-con(accent on the con)I met said Mr. Schwartz( a well meaning friend of mine ,Damon Hill, introduced me to early Amy&the silly air plane v.h.s. video,and like a stupid fish,I was hooked on Eric's stuff),he(Eric) and an old colleague from my vootie/'brazzle days,Mike Higgs(no,not the chap who did the moon-bird series)decided to take a break from the con and go to my little dump to chill out..Now my neighborhood is a mostly Black(some Latinos&Asian folks too)working -class neighborhood,a bit dog eared and scruffy,but the people who live here are generally decent,hard working,socialable folks who perfer to mind their own affairs..true,we do have a small obnoxious batch of characters that act like refugees from a Ralph Bakshi cartoon..but they are in the minority!...On the Drive home Eric looked like he was going to shit a brick through his nose!Mike Higgs was as mellow as a buddist priest of the shao-lin....My house was a in a mess,(but no where near the Brian O'Connell toxic level)Mike was happy,chatting with my wife andyoung-un'and my house-mates that used to live with us,my neighbors and seemed to be having a pleasant time...However ,Eric was a white knuckle whitey!Mike is one of your old fashioned white guys,and he was having a grand time.Eric acted like some butt-raping,rabid, razor packin',crack chuffin',KILL WHITEY,drooling ,Shaka-Zulu wannabe was going to do him in!Eric made some half-assed excuse to leave(perhaps he feared the wrath of BLACULA!)and that was that.Now,I havent heard from Eric since then,every time I try to touch base with the guy,he mysteriously would be out,or busy,or at a con(out of season?)Mike Higgs I haven't heard from in a while,but this is due to a job,family stuff,and a new lady friend..that's a worthy reason for the lack of contact between me and Mike Higgs..But,in Eric's case..just another example of his bluster and wussy-ness....interesting to note,before the visit to my home,Eric's girls were round and plumpish,like a Vaughn Bode "Broad"...after his vist to my home..they began to look rather willowy and leggy like my ladies...now,AIN'T THAT FUNNY???(Jerry Collins)
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Posted: 7/17/2003 3:29:26 AM     Post subject:  

What? So you hate him because he's a nervous pasty white dude?
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Posted: 7/17/2003 5:40:42 AM     Post subject: NEWS FLASH!NEW MEAT IS STILL CLUELESS!  

New meat; I don't hate Eric Because he's a nervous,pasty white guy(I'm one myself!)I hate Eric because he's a mean,nasty,little JERK!....DuH!(and admit it,you like to bash the lil' snot too!don't tell me any different!c'mon..admit it!) that assininity aside,I'm off to sleeps-ville daddio!(Jerry)
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Posted: 7/17/2003 7:04:59 PM     Post subject:  

No, I won't deny it, because it's true. I do like to bash him just as much as the next guy. I just thought it was odd that, of all your experiences with him, that's the one you chose to share when that doesn't seem particularly damning. Sure, it shows he's kind of a dork, but considering that 90% of people who post on the web are white pansies who consider Taco Bell to be ethnic food, it's not much of a shock.

But you're saying he also started copying your style? That sounds a little more interesting.
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Posted: 7/17/2003 10:46:34 PM     Post subject: re;the Eric thing  

The panicky white boy bit was just a small example of Eric's general aura of blustery wussy-ness..not he reason for my disdain for the fool...it 's years of saturation stupidity that turned me against him,that ,and the way he treats everybody brother New meat. like all bullies ,( a gormless coward at heart)....Now as to the artwork of his having a sudden Jerry Collins-esque look to it,many of my friends,fan and non fan alike(And my daughter Brigit) will back me up on this!(Mike Hirtes has some excellent "stupid Eric" stories.) to tell you the truth New meat, I'm over this grot. I have wasted far too many calories,time,sweat,and energy to the useless little plonk! this WILL BE THE LAST TIME I SAY THIS: Eric is an evil little shnook,his fans are deluded saps,( DA go home!)and Minerva Mink still stinks! (Jer)

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Posted: 7/17/2003 11:45:18 PM     Post subject:  

But how does he bully people? Is this refering to the way he whines about people using his characters?

I'm still clueless? Well, yes, I suppose I am. Um..was that an insult or just a statement of fact?
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Posted: 7/18/2003 1:09:44 AM     Post subject: Let the senile old fool prattle on...and on...  

Nothing serious lad,just being a pointless jackass!No harm ment son....As to Master Eric,well,it's more the things he's done more to my friends and colleagues than what he has done to me.The evils against me commited by Eric are ancient history,still stinging ,like the tribes of Israel's Exodus,or the seige of Rourk's drift, long past and gone,ended,but ,so hard to forget the regrets and pain.I go on with my work,tend my family's needs..yet on those cool,lonely,starlost nights..they come back!and I must deal with those memories...this is my task.But when I hear of his latest idiotcies..I am hard pressed not to feel my ire against him.to remember any of them all is physically painful to me.so,I hope you undderstand now my young folk.If not,well,so be it.(Jer)
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Posted: 7/18/2003 7:26:43 AM     Post subject: sabrina online  

well check these out:


http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/gabrinaonlline.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/gabrinaonlline1.jpg

stupid? yea..
funny? i found these hilarious

dave saunders drew them i think
its from the thread on a.f.f. started 7/11 "new gabrina strips are up"

its a pretty funny thread too, he was sayign he drew them because he asked schwartz for some tentacle porn pix and he said no

i have no idea why j.p. morgan is getting into with dave over this either, he should just know better than that
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Posted: 7/18/2003 7:44:55 AM     Post subject:  

Jerry, you're going to have to be more specific about how much of a jerk Eric is IN THE REAL. We already know he's a neurotic lardbag allergic to natural light who hasn't been out much. If you've got stories from other people, feel free to share.

Also: the gabrina strips are a triumph of MS Paint.

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Posted: 7/18/2003 2:56:57 PM     Post subject: real stuph  

Good point Computolio,but in all honesty,I'm spent !I have mentioned..quite colourfully...about my profound dislike for Eric,and now I'm over it!any more and it's beating a dead horse.like I said to a friend about this subject...I have had little or no(thank god) contact with the little plonk.I'm sure,VERY SURE,that one of the gang here at c.y.d. has better "Stoopid Eric Stories" to tell than I.anything else would just make me look petty,like Newt's freak-out or Guthries' Capt.Queeg attacks.please understand....Ah,the nurse is here with my medication! good night all my children,the old man must nap.
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Posted: 7/19/2003 7:44:59 PM     Post subject: Re: sabrina online  

well check these out:


http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/gabrinaonlline.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/gabrinaonlline1.jpg

stupid? yea..
funny? i found these hilarious

dave saunders drew them i think
its from the thread on a.f.f. started 7/11 "new gabrina strips are up"

its a pretty funny thread too, he was sayign he drew them because he asked schwartz for some tentacle porn pix and he said no

i have no idea why j.p. morgan is getting into with dave over this either, he should just know better than that


Umm I never really did e-mail him for tentacle Rape pictures.
That was just a convenient excuse since I have no moral compass and I thought I should get in some smearing & lying practice since Im going to run for local councillor under the aegis of TEH K0MMUNIST PARTEEE and I shall lie and smear (all over the floor).
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Posted: 7/19/2003 8:42:18 PM     Post subject:  

ya, i figured that much ! thats why i said you were SAYING you asked for the rape pix

otherwise i would have stated matter of factly that you had asked for the pix

either way, all that shit that got started just made the thread that much funnier

i dont know eric, dont really want to, dont read sabrina, feel that a C-64 would be a better choice fromthe same co. if you were gonna choose to be into old computers, than an amiga

so its all the same to me

(i have a digital equipment corp, vt-180 up and running, the CP/M operating system is like DOS (in fact is what MS-DOS is a ripoff of) but i need some sort of command listing ..google hasnt been much help....SOMEONE FUCKIGN HELP ME mouse@blackvault.com )
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Posted: 7/20/2003 8:17:01 AM     Post subject:  

Anyone got a Google Groups link to that Sabrina thread? I'm feeling incredibly lazy at the moment.

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Posted: 7/20/2003 8:24:49 AM     Post subject:  

http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=5c6a3f88.0307181256.1e7faafa%40posting.google.com&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26group%3Dalt.fan.furry
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Posted: 7/21/2003 3:50:33 AM     Post subject:  

the Gabrina strips are BLOODY BRILLIANT!!!!!!!( as young Master Weasley would say)
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Posted: 7/21/2003 7:06:45 AM     Post subject:  

i dont know eric, dont really want to, dont read sabrina, feel that a C-64 would be a better choice fromthe same co. if you were gonna choose to be into old computers, than an amiga

so its all the same to me

(i have a digital equipment corp, vt-180 up and running, the CP/M operating system is like DOS (in fact is what MS-DOS is a ripoff of) but i need some sort of command listing ..google hasnt been much help....SOMEONE FUCKIGN HELP ME mouse@blackvault.com )


I have no idea where to get a CP/M command listing, but out of curiosity what was it you were trying to say a little before that? It kinda got garbled.

Oh, and thanks for the Google link.

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Posted: 7/21/2003 8:20:12 AM     Post subject:  

i was just stating some facts/opinions
ive reordered them to clear things up



:!: i dont know eric
:!: dont really want to
:!: dont read sabrina,
:!: feel that a C-64 would be a better choice than an amiga


i thought thats kind of what sabrina onlines about, is that she uses amigas or something? and that the amiga community likes eric cuz his comic has amigas in it?

commodore and amiga are related arnt they? i thought they were the same company?
i was just kind of commenting on the whole idea


THEN AGAIN
i think its always a good thing that people are around that appriciate things most people dont...so ..i hate to do it but... ill disagree with myself on that one

i know nothing about amigas really, i always imagined they were some weird half c-64 half ibm/pc with compatibility problems that alot of people ended up buying, and that the c-64 was probably a better machine
i may very well be incredibly wrong on this , its just a guess

(i know for a long time my c-64 was superior, with the SID sound chip and the 16 color graphics ...compared to the CGA that early IBM software used alot and the PC speaker)


...
re:
(i have a digital equipment corp, vt-180 up and running, the CP/M operating system is like DOS (in fact is what MS-DOS is a ripoff of) but i need some sort of command listing ..google hasnt been much help....SOMEONE FUCKIGN HELP ME mouse@blackvault.com )


mitch actually emailed me with some links that were exactly what i was looking for , thanks mitch

believe it or not , i am looking into getting this thing online


someday when i have the extra (usually about a grand US$ on ebay for example) id like to get an Altair

no keyboard, no monitor, none of that BULLSHIT

just switches and LEDs
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Posted: 7/21/2003 2:31:35 PM     Post subject:  

The amiga was basically a standalone machine that you could use either the TV or a seperate monitor for (by way of a SCART cable). It used the motorola 68000 series processor, had its own custom graphics and sound chips (one of which was named "fat agnus") on the motherboard, had a PCMCIA card slot on the A1200 when such things were absolutely top-of-the-range latest innovation in the field of computing kinda stuff (I remember one of the old magazines having a discussion on whether or not they think it'll take off), among other kinds of funky things. For its day, it was a truly excellent machine. However, when you consider the fact that an unmodified A1200 can barely run Doom in a window larger than a postal stamp thanks mainly to the fact that it only had 2Mb RAM, you'll understand why I switched to a PC. They released a console version (world's first 32-bit CD console, imaginitively named the "CD32") which was basically an A1200 with a 1X CD-rom drive, no keyboard or funky ports, and the most unergonomic controller in the history of mankind. Surprisingly enough, it bombed utterly (some regard that machine as being the thing that killed Commodore).

That said, I'm going to see if I can get at least the A600 back off my brother, for one reason: Scorched motherfucking Tanks. If I can get both - then hey, time for serial-linked Gravity Power (which is truly the TWO-PLAYER GAME OF CHAMPIONS).

Oh well. At least I got the spectrum. Time for a game of How To Be A Complete Bastard...
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Posted: 7/21/2003 7:49:14 PM     Post subject:  

Mouse: the machine Ghengis just described is what Eric loves so much.

That said, there was a difference between "Commodore" and "Amiga". The Amiga was designed by it's own independent startup company around 1985, then the design and company were bought by Commodore and marketed as the Commodore Amiga. After Commodore went bust in 1994, the Amiga assets were purchased by a bunch of different companies who then proceeded to attempt to revive the machine in various ways. Believe it or not, new machines are still being produced, although they're basically PPC Linux-capable motherboard-only kits that are capable of running only a future version of the Amiga operating system. It's due out sometime next year or something.

Eric's claim to fame was when he started creating various small animations using his Amiga- the machine's 2D hardware acceleration made it perfect for the task. His animations were a hit among the small community of Amiga users, and apparently are still popular today. The little universe and various characters he created started to really take form when he started making comics of them - "Sabrina Online" once ran in the backs of the few remaining Amiga magazines. Shortly afterward, he then discovered furry and went off the deep end. Or so the story goes.

Fun fact- I've never actually seen one of these machines or used one in real life until very, very recently when I fished one out of a curbside dumpster and found another at a garage sale. It's funny, because I've been looking for various pieces of old computer crap (including Amigas) for years, but have only started finding these machines very recently. Hardly anyone ever bought them, and far fewer want to give/throw them away.

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Posted: 7/22/2003 5:09:40 PM     Post subject: stuff  

Do any of you guys remember an early form of memory banks that used liquid mercury trays, a freind of mine(when he was youngun' first starting out in the programming biz)told me of these pain in the butt things(one ill-timed bump,and you'd have to redo the whole mess,ALL OVER AGAIN!hours,if not days of reprogrammingYIKES!)later on gang
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Posted: 7/22/2003 9:19:47 PM     Post subject: Re: stuff  

Do any of you guys remember an early form of memory banks that used liquid mercury trays, a freind of mine(when he was youngun' first starting out in the programming biz)told me of these pain in the butt things(one ill-timed bump,and you'd have to redo the whole mess,ALL OVER AGAIN!hours,if not days of reprogrammingYIKES!)later on gang

Yeah, I remember reading about them, though I never encountered one personally (punched cards in the mid-70s as a teenager is as far as I go back) - an acoustic pulse would be sent through a tube of mercury and arrive at the far end about a millisecond later and be seen by a transducer which would start the cycle over again. One kilohertz, baby!
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Posted: 7/24/2003 8:29:02 AM     Post subject: spintronics  

you guys might wanna check out spintronics

its very high level physics/engineering/computer science theory
i know at least university @ buffalo was looking into it - probably elsewhere too

its got a lot of potential applications ..ULTRA dense ram (1 bit per ATOM)
single component computers...if they make a spintronic computer, it will revolutionize the world,

basically a very general overview is just that it uses the spin or torque of electrons

like in a regular circuit you have electron flow...in spintronics - there is no electron flow at all...just the spin 1 way or the other being transfered down the line

i went to lecture on it @ uB physics dept summer '02 alot of it was way over my head but very interesting ...if i find some links ill post them here if anyone's interested
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Posted: 7/24/2003 2:52:13 PM     Post subject: re mouse's comp. info  

AllI can think to say is: ZOOOWIEEE!that thing sounds cool( and my knowledge of comp.systems is very weak,but this thing sounds neat!)...keep bringing it on Brother Mouse!
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Posted: 8/4/2003 9:48:45 AM     Post subject: Re: I can't believe it  

Simply put, Schwartz still has as firm a footing as ever in the Amiga community. I was certain that they all began to get creeped out/got the picture as "Sabrina Online" got more and more bizarre as time went on, but I thought wrong...

The thing to keep in mind with the Amiga scene, is it was the first cheap home computer with decent enough graphics for showing porn. Computer colummnists often talk about what the "Killer App" was for a particular computer system-- for the Macintosh, it was Pagemaker and Desktop Publishing, and so on. From the people I've known (who were all teenage/young-adult males-- people outside that demographic never bought Amigas in practice) who owned this machine, the killer app was the porn. Of the dozen or so owners I've known personally, 11 out of 12 had vast 200+ floppy collections of R/X-rated IFF images on floppy disk. Of all the Amiga BBSes what were operating in my area, all of them had massive porno archives.

Is the reason for the Amiga scene's blindness to fucked-up wanking material a bit clearer, now?
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Posted: 8/4/2003 9:58:51 PM     Post subject: Re: I can't believe it  

Simply put, Schwartz still has as firm a footing as ever in the Amiga community. I was certain that they all began to get creeped out/got the picture as "Sabrina Online" got more and more bizarre as time went on, but I thought wrong...

The thing to keep in mind with the Amiga scene, is it was the first cheap home computer with decent enough graphics for showing porn.


Why did I never think of that?

A lenghy comparison: As some of you may or may not know, Japan at the time was the home of several computer platforms that were both entirely different from what the West had, and vastly superior. Here's a quick rundown of some majior examples:

From about 1983: The MSX and Sharp X1. 8-bit machines vastly superior to the Apple >< and Atari 800. (The Commodore 64 was roughly equivalent to earlier MSX models, but it bombed in Japan).

From around 1986-7: The PC-98 and X68000. 16-bit machines superior to the Atari ST and Amiga. The PC-98 was essentially a highly enhanced DOS box with extra VGA-ish video modes, and the X68000 was a graphical dream machine.

The X68000, had it been released in the West, would have utterly destroyed the Amiga, trounced the Atari ST, taken a bite out of the Mac and possibly even a sizeable chunk out of the PC and game console markets. 65,536 colors onscreen, at up to 640X480 resolution, with hardware sprites, hardware scrolling and arcade-quality wavetable/digitized sound. Hell it even had built-in SCSI support.

These were unbelievable capabilities for a 1980s PC. It was a monster, with an industrially-designed case that could put even Apple's groups to shame. It's software selection featured an unholy fuckload of arcade-perfect ports and 2D shooters.

...So here's what I'm getting at. Guess what else those later two computers were also used for? That's right, both machines INVENTED the hentai game. The X68000 could show photographic quality graphics effortlessly and the PC-98's business-oriented marketing made it a hit with the salarymen. (Not to mention all the flesh tones in the hardware palette.) Hundreds if not thousands of H-games ranging from raunchy dating simulators to a game that was ACTUALLY BASED ON A FUCKING H.P. LOVECRAFT STORY (NOT FUCKING MAKING THIS UP) were released on both platforms.

Even though it was less suited to the task, I should've guessed that people would've tried to use the Amiga to store porn. Affordable PC's didn't have 256-color modes for a while, and the Macintosh >< machines of the era would've set you back over 5 grand. So what was the next best, most affordable thing? The Amiga. I bet lots of people must've gotten headaches from trying to jerk to something on an interlaced screen.

Computer colummnists often talk about what the "Killer App" was for a particular computer system-- for the Macintosh, it was Pagemaker and Desktop Publishing, and so on. From the people I've known (who were all teenage/young-adult males-- people outside that demographic never bought Amigas in practice) who owned this machine, the killer app was the porn. Of the dozen or so owners I've known personally, 11 out of 12 had vast 200+ floppy collections of R/X-rated IFF images on floppy disk. Of all the Amiga BBSes what were operating in my area, all of them had massive porno archives.


I've known a grand total of 2.5 Amiga users in my lifetime, but they were more than likely too young back then to have used them for anything but playing Lemmings.

Is the reason for the Amiga scene's blindness to fucked-up wanking material a bit clearer, now?


Not really. In my experience, the vast majority of average people (with average porn habits) still freak out when exposed to furries.

However, given the fact that most of the Amiga's userbase was in Europe (where it is alleged that people are a lot more laid-back about crazy porn), you may be on to something.
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Posted: 10/27/2003 11:05:54 PM     Post subject: Re: I can't believe it  

They don't know. They just don't know. Simply put, Schwartz still has as firm a footing as ever in the Amiga community. I was certain that they all began to get creeped out/got the picture as "Sabrina Online" got more and more bizarre as time went on, but I thought wrong...

He has to add "(more than likely)" given no genuine information to back up his claim.


That's Schwartz's reaction to my theory of his gradual shunning by the Amiga community, and it's vague nature led me to think he was just bullshitting. Turns out he was right and I was wrong; click the link to see what I mean.

Further poking around the Amiga community reveals that most people there still hold him in high/nostalgic regard. He's done mascots for other Amiga software projects (not JUST that Mozilla port project), people still call their hard drive partitions "Amy and "Sabrina", etc etc.

I have to wonder- do they really have a clue what this guy has really been up to for the past seven years? Do they even know he's a furry and what he's part of? Do they think that the "well-endowed animal character" thing is just a big ironic joke on his part?

I can't help but think that the poor bastards who're trying to make an incentive for someone to attempt to port Netscape to their hip-hop operating system just smattered their page with a furry pinup without fully realising it. Do they not know what a great deal of the rest of the internet world knows about that sort of thing?

-duncan




And you care becaauuusse?
A) You're jealous that Eric can get work from a real company?
B) You resent the fact that his popularity is greater than your own regardless of what he does?
C) You hate the fact his art is far better than your own?
or D) All of the above.

Geez dude, stop sucking on the guys dick and get over it. So much whinning. :evil:
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Posted: 10/27/2003 11:08:37 PM     Post subject:  

Mouse: the machine Ghengis just described is what Eric loves so much.

Fun fact- I've never actually seen one of these machines or used one in real life until very, very recently when I fished one out of a curbside dumpster and found another at a garage sale. It's funny, because I've been looking for various pieces of old computer crap (including Amigas) for years, but have only started finding these machines very recently. Hardly anyone ever bought them, and far fewer want to give/throw them away.

-duncan



So you dumpster dive? Niiice. :oops:
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Posted: 10/27/2003 11:13:36 PM     Post subject: Re: NEWS FLASH!NEW MEAT IS STILL CLUELESS!  

New meat; I don't hate Eric Because he's a nervous,pasty white guy(I'm one myself!)I hate Eric because he's a mean,nasty,little JERK!....DuH!(and admit it,you like to bash the lil' snot too!don't tell me any different!c'mon..admit it!) that assininity aside,I'm off to sleeps-ville daddio!(Jerry)


You just wish you could draw like him. Which you can't cause you suck. Learn to use an eraser and pen why dontcha?
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Posted: 10/27/2003 11:15:02 PM     Post subject:  

No, I won't deny it, because it's true. I do like to bash him just as much as the next guy. I just thought it was odd that, of all your experiences with him, that's the one you chose to share when that doesn't seem particularly damning. Sure, it shows he's kind of a dork, but considering that 90% of people who post on the web are white pansies who consider Taco Bell to be ethnic food, it's not much of a shock.

But you're saying he also started copying your style? That sounds a little more interesting.


Real interesting. When did he start drawing with his toes?
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Posted: 10/27/2003 11:19:08 PM     Post subject: Re: re;the Eric thing  

The panicky white boy bit was just a small example of Eric's general aura of blustery wussy-ness..not he reason for my disdain for the fool...it 's years of saturation stupidity that turned me against him,that ,and the way he treats everybody brother New meat. like all bullies ,( a gormless coward at heart)....Now as to the artwork of his having a sudden Jerry Collins-esque look to it,many of my friends,fan and non fan alike(And my daughter Brigit) will back me up on this!(Mike Hirtes has some excellent "stupid Eric" stories.) to tell you the truth New meat, I'm over this grot. I have wasted far too many calories,time,sweat,and energy to the useless little plonk! this WILL BE THE LAST TIME I SAY THIS: Eric is an evil little shnook,his fans are deluded saps,( DA go home!)and Minerva Mink still stinks! (Jer)

Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards!For you are crunchy,and taste good with Ketchup!



Wow, you managed to reproduce? I guess every net geek artist wannabe finally has somebody to look up to. Though you still sound kinda limp wristed the why you constanly whine about how he bullied poor little you. oh, my heart aches. And are these fans you speek of from France? First Jerry Louise now Jerry Collins. Do the French have no sense of standards? No feelings of pride? (No clue on taste?)
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Posted: 10/27/2003 11:21:04 PM     Post subject: Re: Let the senile old fool prattle on...and on...  

Nothing serious lad,just being a pointless jackass!No harm ment son....As to Master Eric,well,it's more the things he's done more to my friends and colleagues than what he has done to me.The evils against me commited by Eric are ancient history,still stinging ,like the tribes of Israel's Exodus,or the seige of Rourk's drift, long past and gone,ended,but ,so hard to forget the regrets and pain.I go on with my work,tend my family's needs..yet on those cool,lonely,starlost nights..they come back!and I must deal with those memories...this is my task.But when I hear of his latest idiotcies..I am hard pressed not to feel my ire against him.to remember any of them all is physically painful to me.so,I hope you undderstand now my young folk.If not,well,so be it.(Jer)



I know a good psychologist that can help you with that 'little' problem.
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Posted: 10/27/2003 11:23:58 PM     Post subject:  

Jerry, you're going to have to be more specific about how much of a jerk Eric is IN THE REAL. We already know he's a neurotic lardbag allergic to natural light who hasn't been out much. If you've got stories from other people, feel free to share.

Also: the gabrina strips are a triumph of MS Paint.

-duncan


Coming from the guy that created a website and message board with multiple daily post for the soul purpose to bitch and moan about one human being. You're so pasty I can see through you Collieflower.
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Posted: 10/27/2003 11:42:45 PM     Post subject: Re: Also this  

The furry thing does get brought up(scroll down), but it strikes me how little everyone cares. He still has the relatively untarnished "good furry" image- I don't think hardly anyone knows about his delightful side projects.

I forgot -

Go here to see some rare non-furry artwork from Eric.


Dear god does he suck at the drawing humans. Damn thing looks like some kind of Hanna-Barbera-Bratz abomination.

-duncan


Or maybe they don't have a boner over him like you do. I bet you get hard everytime you think about him since you write about him so much. Knowing how you furries are with your petty morals I bet he probably turned you down when you wanted to do the horizontal mombo. :shock:
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Posted: 10/27/2003 11:46:02 PM     Post subject: Re: Are amiga community types stupid,or is Eric an evil magi  

Okay,I just looked at Eric's NON furry art..now,in all honesty..as far as commercial art ,not bad,as to entertainment/media art..it's the same old Jessica Rabbit/Tex Avery's red hot riding hood wannabe..not a damn bit of originality!my humans may look like a combo of Paul Coker jr/Vaughn Bode's "Syracuse"and"IF" era/early matsumoto super submarine99-sexeroid era folks..with a touch of Tezuka and the Fliescher Bros...but at least under all the grot ,there is an effort twards originality!As to the slavish adoration by what seems any poor soul that owns an amiga to that evil little elder god YOG ERIC,Why can't they see him for the banal,Hypocrytical,self serving,back stabbing ,over rated loser that he truly is.?.THE MAN IS ROTTEN EVIL!!!why do intellegent people keep giving him and his equally loathsome rival Brian O'Connell money?Why can't people see him for the smug little judas that he is?THE HEARTLESS FIEND MUST BE STOPPED!...any of yousre guys got an uncle or cousin in da' "bussines"? :wink: WE GOT RID OF SADDAM,WHY NOT ERIC? :twisted: :wink: :lol: :lol: Well,I got a lot of art I owe people,and my kids need some stuff,so I'm outta here! :D DEATH TO THE FALSE METAL ONES,VAE VICTUS!!!(Jerry Collins) :twisted:


Is this because he won't draw does in bondage leather? Can you draw humans? (Cause ya sure can't draw furries).
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Posted: 10/27/2003 11:48:18 PM     Post subject: Re: Eric&Brian  

Okay,New meat,it's like this;I consider Eric Schwartz level of "villiany"to comprised of various act of pettiness too numerous to recount.I refuse to waste yours,mine,and his (Eric's) by specificly naming every little incident since Adam was in Yeshva shool.


Fair enough. If you don't want to recount everything he's done, could you give us an example of something particularly egregious? Or at least something representative? I ask only because I think most of us here are at least a little annoyed at him because of a) his "I can draw porn of your characters but you can't draw porn of mine" attitude or b) the slow deterioration of Sabrina into a personal wank fantasy, but you seem to have had a more personal experience with the Schwartz. Perhaps I'm dense and his other crimes are common knowledge and I'm just too new to this whole scene to know of them yet, but I figured I'd ask. Since that's how you learn stuff. By asking.



Geez, this guy sounds like one of those creepy people that get off on viewing autopsy photos.
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Posted: 10/27/2003 11:50:27 PM     Post subject: Re: DER PHURRI FUHER  

Fair enough New meat m'man!I'ts BOTH a&b,his generally smug attitude,his Eddie Haskellesque ability to b.s. his way into potential suckers,er,clients' hearts,then rip out said hearts when that particular person is of no use to Eric any longer,the way he waves off any obligation he choses..Then blame someone else if it didn't go his way...His cult of personality...his obsession to be accepted by the "mainstream" while still cranking out second rate wank material(yeah,I've done sexy critter art too,but at least I owe up to the creation of my monsters,use my REAL name,and make sure none of it reaches the under 18 crowd..I also painted a mural in a small ,mostly black ,georgia baptist Church{ Vienna Ga,}and have drawn super heroes for the local kids once in a while..)At least the wank material I draw has some top notch effort in it,and not lazy ,corner cutting,give the basment dwelling frat boys what they want at all costs crap of Erics!He's a snob,a 2 faced fink,and I'M SICK OF THE MINDLESS ADORATION OF HIS ASSHOLINESS!!!now do you understand Newmeat why I'm so damned RABID when his or O'Connell's name gets bandied about?They are two rotten peas from the same rotten pod! EST TOTO!period!these are my words,and I WILL stand by them!(Jerry) :P :wink: okay,now do you guys understand where I'm at? :D cool!I may be a jerk,but at least I'm an HONEST JERK! :D



Yes, sick of this Mindless admoration. Worship Jerry! Buy his art and crappy little booklets (can't call them comics cause there's nothing remotely funny about them).
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Posted: 10/27/2003 11:54:48 PM     Post subject:  

You gonna respond to each and every single fucking message, retard??

i gotta pretty goddamn good idea of who you are :wink:
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Posted: 10/27/2003 11:55:07 PM     Post subject: Re: Eric the icky  

Newmeat asked if there was a specific example..Here ya' go gang...When I was still stupid enough to waste my time a local"MEGA -MONSTER-MEDIA/S.F.MONEY MACHINE" known as Dragon-con(accent on the con)I met said Mr. Schwartz( a well meaning friend of mine ,Damon Hill, introduced me to early Amy&the silly air plane v.h.s. video,and like a stupid fish,I was hooked on Eric's stuff),he(Eric) and an old colleague from my vootie/'brazzle days,Mike Higgs(no,not the chap who did the moon-bird series)decided to take a break from the con and go to my little dump to chill out..Now my neighborhood is a mostly Black(some Latinos&Asian folks too)working -class neighborhood,a bit dog eared and scruffy,but the people who live here are generally decent,hard working,socialable folks who perfer to mind their own affairs..true,we do have a small obnoxious batch of characters that act like refugees from a Ralph Bakshi cartoon..but they are in the minority!...On the Drive home Eric looked like he was going to shit a brick through his nose!Mike Higgs was as mellow as a buddist priest of the shao-lin....My house was a in a mess,(but no where near the Brian O'Connell toxic level)Mike was happy,chatting with my wife andyoung-un'and my house-mates that used to live with us,my neighbors and seemed to be having a pleasant time...However ,Eric was a white knuckle whitey!Mike is one of your old fashioned white guys,and he was having a grand time.Eric acted like some butt-raping,rabid, razor packin',crack chuffin',KILL WHITEY,drooling ,Shaka-Zulu wannabe was going to do him in!Eric made some half-assed excuse to leave(perhaps he feared the wrath of BLACULA!)and that was that.Now,I havent heard from Eric since then,every time I try to touch base with the guy,he mysteriously would be out,or busy,or at a con(out of season?)Mike Higgs I haven't heard from in a while,but this is due to a job,family stuff,and a new lady friend..that's a worthy reason for the lack of contact between me and Mike Higgs..But,in Eric's case..just another example of his bluster and wussy-ness....interesting to note,before the visit to my home,Eric's girls were round and plumpish,like a Vaughn Bode "Broad"...after his vist to my home..they began to look rather willowy and leggy like my ladies...now,AIN'T THAT FUNNY???(Jerry Collins)



Hey, doesn't Eric hang out with those two black guys and those japanese guys at AC now? Guess he's gotten over all midwestern, I only grew up around other white folks and only know about blacks from tv syndrome. Can't blame the guy for the environment he grew up in, but he's learned I see at least

And as for the art, if his art style dramatically changed after this so called visit, how does that explain why your artwork still sucks? Word up yo.
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Posted: 10/28/2003 1:41:35 AM     Post subject:  

well, since none of your posts was memorable enough on thier own to quote individually

let me just quickly respond to most of them

im sure jerry collins knows how to use an eraser dumbass

you confuse sketches with finished works, you confuse incompetence with someones style
you treat your opinions like they are verifiable fact
you THINK his work sucks..i dont, a hellof a lot of other people dont either

how much weight is an anonymous spammers' opinions going to carry?


you were the guest a few months back saying his comic work was terrible
i asked you cite issue #s...and you didnt ..big fucking surprise there

i know most of the comics his work is in ...i HAVE most of them..looked fine to me - youre full of shit

Schwartz wont draw "bondage deer" cuz hes too busy drawing this horrifying SHIT

thats the only place i know where to get it ...im sure theres plenty more sources and less obscure ..but there it is

go to the gallery and youll see him in there TDK
if youre too damn stupid to make a logical choice as to which one is the gallery , because the page is in russian

use babelfish

i know your friends with schwartz but he tried doing this furry hentai hanky panky and got BUSTED

sucks to be him


jerry's never drawn anythign that he would be ashamed of , he said so himself ..hes never had to use some dumb alias to cover up what hes done


and by the way his 'booklets' ARNT called comics

his work in furrlough and genus would be called comics

most of his stuff is in loose bagged portfolios and stapled portfolios AKA books and minibooks
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Posted: 10/28/2003 2:01:12 AM     Post subject: Re: Also this  

Or maybe they don't have a boner over him like you do. I bet you get hard everytime you think about him since you write about him so much. Knowing how you furries are with your petty morals I bet he probably turned you down when you wanted to do the horizontal mombo. :shock:


what
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Posted: 10/28/2003 1:10:55 PM     Post subject:  

Dear "StopURbitchin"

Your rants are made all the funnier by the fact that I KNOW WHO YOU ARE and have known since the last time you came here for a rantfest. I'm the Admin; I can peek at posters' IP addresses and the like, that's how I know.

I didn't expect you back, but here you are again with the same old same old. I can't believe you don't know how bizarre it looks, getting so worked up you post multiple crazy rants in response to TWO MONTHS OLD posts. And why anonymously - can it be you actually realize how whacked-out your rants are and have a vague idea of how stupid they make you look?

Well, tell you what, how about I reveal your RL name this time round and see how your posts read when everyone knows who actually made them? How'd you feel about that? Now I don't really want to do that because to me you come across like someone who has some serious problems, but on the other hand I don't care for anonymous trolls who lack the backbone to stand behind what they say.
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Posted: 10/28/2003 6:18:08 PM     Post subject: Re: Eric the icky  

Hey, doesn't Eric hang out with those two black guys and those japanese guys at AC now?

Oh yeah but you should hear how he characterizes those guys other times;)
Heh heh heh
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Posted: 10/28/2003 9:23:31 PM     Post subject:  

I have no idea what's going on here, but as far as drama goes, this is pretty poor stuff.
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Posted: 10/28/2003 10:50:48 PM     Post subject:  

You gonna respond to each and every single fucking message, retard??

i gotta pretty goddamn good idea of who you are :wink:



You gonna respond to each and every single fucking reply, retard??

Stop Your Bitchin'
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Posted: 10/28/2003 10:57:09 PM     Post subject:  

well, since none of your posts was memorable enough on thier own to quote individually

let me just quickly respond to most of them

im sure jerry collins knows how to use an eraser dumbass

you confuse sketches with finished works, you confuse incompetence with someones style
you treat your opinions like they are verifiable fact
you THINK his work sucks..i dont, a hellof a lot of other people dont either

how much weight is an anonymous spammers' opinions going to carry?



Yay yay yay, Mouse. Apparently he's the one that doesn't know the difference between finished work and sketches when he submits crap for publication. See any Genus submission he's posted. Sucks. That and he needs to learn how to ink. Sharpies are highly over rated.


you were the guest a few months back saying his comic work was terrible
i asked you cite issue #s...and you didnt ..big fucking surprise there

i know most of the comics his work is in ...i HAVE most of them..looked fine to me - youre full of shit


Okay, you name a comic where his work actually looked DECENT.


Schwartz wont draw "bondage deer" cuz hes too busy drawing this horrifying SHIT

thats the only place i know where to get it ...im sure theres plenty more sources and less obscure ..but there it is

go to the gallery and youll see him in there TDK
if youre too damn stupid to make a logical choice as to which one is the gallery , because the page is in russian

use babelfish

i know your friends with schwartz but he tried doing this furry hentai hanky panky and got BUSTED


Looking at the work, his crap looks better than anything Collins could cough up.


sucks to be him


jerry's never drawn anythign that he would be ashamed of , he said so himself ..hes never had to use some dumb alias to cover up what hes done

Hey, when you got no morals its hard to ever be shamed of anything. Swapping, training, shooting up, heck, I suprised they guy even knows what the word moral means.



and by the way his 'booklets' ARNT called comics


You got that right.

his work in furrlough and genus would be called comics



No it would be called, they killed how many trees to print that?


most of his stuff is in loose bagged portfolios and stapled portfolios AKA books and minibooks



And they all look like crap. You're point is just cause he's cheep in publishing he doesn't have to make it look good?
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Posted: 10/28/2003 11:00:06 PM     Post subject:  

Dear "StopURbitchin"

Your rants are made all the funnier by the fact that I KNOW WHO YOU ARE and have known since the last time you came here for a rantfest. I'm the Admin; I can peek at posters' IP addresses and the like, that's how I know.

I didn't expect you back, but here you are again with the same old same old. I can't believe you don't know how bizarre it looks, getting so worked up you post multiple crazy rants in response to TWO MONTHS OLD posts. And why anonymously - can it be you actually realize how whacked-out your rants are and have a vague idea of how stupid they make you look?

Well, tell you what, how about I reveal your RL name this time round and see how your posts read when everyone knows who actually made them? How'd you feel about that? Now I don't really want to do that because to me you come across like someone who has some serious problems, but on the other hand I don't care for anonymous trolls who lack the backbone to stand behind what they say.


Oh, the humble shame of having the boomerang come back at you. Cry, Me so sad. What, its cool to attack others but can't put your feet to the fire? So tough. So brave. Wouldn't have even known about the tread or the site if a cronny hadn't posted it elsewhere. So stop your bitchin.
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Posted: 10/28/2003 11:50:53 PM     Post subject:  

I have no idea what's going on here, but as far as drama goes, this is pretty poor stuff.


Which is why this thread is now closed.
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