Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 658

There's no moral highground to take in your fandom. God knows the burned furs tried. Where are they now? Where are they all NOW?

They're hanging out at CYD. A whole Internet community of pompous, self-important, assholes and dipshits given to grandiose pronouncements concerning Furry fan-dom. You'll fit right in.

The best way to deal with these folks: under no circumstances take them the least bit seriously. If you reply, then do so with maximum ridicule. Keep an eye on them (some of these folks aren't wrapped real tight, and you never know if they'll be dangerous) but do not fear them. Most of these pathetic losers don't have the ballz to back up their talk from behind anonymous log-ins, and the safety of a screen.

Oh sweet irony!

Edit:WTF?

What is CYD? CYD is the name of a web site: Crush, Yiff, Destroy. It originally started out as a refuge for the "boat people" from the Burned Furs (Google Cache). The Burned Furs no longer exist as a distinct movement, and in one act of karmic justice, their old web domain was taken over by a really raunchy p0rn site.
. Of course, these folks just would not go quitely into that good night with their tails tucked between their legs. Crush, Yiff, Destroy became their new home, where these wannabe elitists of Furry-dom can meet and congratulate themselves, with their Furry handles and Furry avatars, on how they are sooooooooooooooooooo much better than "those Furries".

This has got to be a legpull, I mean really:

Here is the official CYD dogma. Incredible as it may seem, they really do believe this -- LITERALLY. One of their long-time members, Wayd_Wolf, believes this unconditionally. Show him any number of examples of Furries who do not fit the description of CYD dogma, and it makes no difference, as he will simply "define you out" of the fan-dom.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Heh.. amusing. As much as they claim CYD doesn't "get" furrydom, furrydom doesn't "get" CYD either. What they don't realize, though, is that they in a way "created" CYDites kind of like how Jack Napier (who would become the Joker) "created" Batman when he killed Bruce Wayne's parents.

The whole notion that CYD is a fallback stronghold from Burned Furs is funny too, since, to my knowledge, no one here was ever part of that group. Hell, I was already on the outs with furrydom when that whole movement started. I just cheered the BFs from the sidelines.

Dr. Mojo · Vociferator Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 399

Heh.. amusing. As much as they claim CYD doesn't "get" furrydom, furrydom doesn't "get" CYD either. What they don't realize, though, is that they in a way "created" CYDites kind of like how Jack Napier (who would become the Joker) "created" Batman when he killed Bruce Wayne's parents.

Except that they're the ones with full body latex outfits andwe're the ones with the purple pinstripe suits. At least, I am. ;<

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Dr. Mojo · Vociferator Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 399

SHARP

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

The whole notion that CYD is a fallback stronghold from Burned Furs is funny too, since, to my knowledge, no one here was ever part of that group. Hell, I was already on the outs with furrydom when that whole movement started. I just cheered the BFs from the sidelines.

Doesn't CYD have an official page mocking the BFs too, since some of them were loopy as hell anyway?

I think people like you, Zenzhu, simply moved back to normal anthropomorphics, not tried to create some anti-sex countermovement in a sexual subculture.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I wouldn't even say I've moved back to normal anthropomorphics. I don't draw much anymore in general, let alone to much anthro stuff.. and it doesn't really factor into my decisions on stuff I buy, read, watch, etc. Anthropomorphics have simply gone from something I focused on a little more to one of the many many many things I just happen to enjoy.... just kinda background noise.

But, you have a very valid and eloquently clear point, I think. Many CYD folks are not so much anti-furry either actively or even inactively. They're simply folks who know about furrydom and enjoy the entertainment value it offers in TEH DRAMA in the same way some people watch soaps or Jerry Springer. They don't try and stir up trouble for the furries.. they just watch what trouble the furries get themselves into. I mean, hell, we even have noted and currently-active pornsters in our ranks. That itself demonstrates the thing CYD often finds sadly entertaining is not what you do, it's how you do it.

In the Furry Super Bowl, CYD is not the opposing team, it's just a bunch of guys watching from the 50-yard line.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

In the Furry Super Bowl, CYD is not the opposing team, it's just a bunch of guys watching from the 50-yard line.

I parsed this as 'wanking', and I find that it also fits upon occasion. It's amazing how, when we at CYD are fairly content to sit in our own little world, others are still offended that we not only uphold their twisted desires, but have the audacity to say 'You know, you probably shouldn't be wearing a totsie-pop in yoru rectum and doing the chicken dance... when outside of your own home.'

Forbid that our opinions are different, or, gasp, we don't feel that everyone has the right to act as retarded, asinine, or, indeed, as 'open' a they wish in the name of decency - and I don't mean a 'straight laced, nothing out of place' decency, I mean a 'I don't want to see your ass hanging out with some dude's tongue in it when I'm trying to eat my sandwhich' decency.

Oh well, if merely existing proves to be a thorn in one's side, I doubt that even calamine lotion will help.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I parsed this as 'wanking', and I find that it also fits upon occasion. It's amazing how, when we at CYD are fairly content to sit in our own little world, others are still fofended that we not only uphold their twisted desires, but have the audacity to say 'You know, you probably shouldn't be wearing a totsie-pop in yoru rectum and doing the chicken dance... when outside of your own home.'

Forbid that our opinions are different, or, gasp, we don't feel that everyone has the right to act as retarded, asinine, or, indeed, as 'open' a they wish in the name of decency - and I don't mean a 'straight laced, nothing out of place' decency, I mean a 'I don't want to see your ass hanging out with some dude's tongue in it when I'm trying to eat my sandwhich' decency.

Very true.. this is something I neglect to take into account, though had seen it often in my MUCKing days. It's interesting that furries on the surface advocate tolerance of differences and interests and such.. but deep down expect everyone to like exactly the same thing and think the same way.

It isn't merely enough to quietly agree to disagree. It eats them alive to know that there are people that don't agree with their ideas, choices, activities, etc.. even if those people can accept that such things occur outside the sphere of their interests and experiences. I would guess because the fact that people disagree with them exacerbates their own self-doubt, and they cannot truly be comfortable with themselves until they think every last living thing on the planet is comfortable and actively accepting of their purient desires.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 658

Yet another wacky CYD mention, with the usual thanks to my legion of agents:

I hazard to guess that CYD is run by a bunch of guys who wouldn't know romance, in any of its forms, if it put on a purple fursuit and bit them on the butt.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

Yet another wacky CYD mention, with the usual thanks to my legion of agents:

I hazard to guess that CYD is run by a bunch of guys who wouldn't know romance, in any of its forms, if it put on a purple fursuit and bit them on the butt.

Now this intrigues me. What's romantic about logging into some text or primtioive GUI medium, and randomly paking awkward passes until one of them doesn't ignore tyou - and actually lets you between their thighs? That's not romance, that's a meat market. That's what the majority - if not the rule - is. Sure, it's possible to fidn kinship, friends, and even 'love; through such mediums, but it's quite dwarved by those who are just trying, and just want to 'stick it in it'... so to speak.

I find myself mroe amused than anything else... I mean, if we're annoying them to the point of becoming a target for their blathering, we must be doing something right.

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

I can just see it now: One of the CYD regulars tries to prove he's perfectly normal by going out on a date... but then he stays up way too late one night drawing snide cartoons about Mark Merlino, and oversleeps the next day and forgets to pick her up. He tries to explain it to her, she gets upset, he tries to give her a box of chocolates, but he's accidentally grabbed the box that says "Hope You Get Cancer" which he was going to mail to Xydexx, and, well, things just get even uglier after that.

...and then this one time, at bandcamp...

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

Blue jackal needs food.

Kinky turtle has shot himself in the foot.

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

Yet another wacky CYD mention, with the usual thanks to my legion of agents:

I hazard to guess that CYD is run by a bunch of guys who wouldn't know romance, in any of its forms, if it put on a purple fursuit and bit them on the butt.

Now this intrigues me. What's romantic about logging into some text or primtioive GUI medium, and randomly paking awkward passes until one of them doesn't ignore tyou - and actually lets you between their thighs? That's not romance, that's a meat market. That's what the majority - if not the rule - is. Sure, it's possible to fidn kinship, friends, and even 'love; through such mediums, but it's quite dwarved by those who are just trying, and just want to 'stick it in it'... so to speak.

but don't you know, they can only find 'truuuuuu lufff' online because there they can be a 'snugglewumpus' and don't need to worry about hyoomans judging them the poor misunderstood souls.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Yes.. with the mention of wives and girlfriends here, one can clearly see we don't know romance. The fact that we have lives that don't revolve around pretending to be imaginary creatures for the sake of textfucking proves we will never know the gentle caress of a loved one.

Notice, however, that to get a furry's attention, romance must dress up in a purple fursuit and bite them on the ass... it can't simply come up to them as a human girl and say, "Hi."

Now this intrigues me. What's romantic about logging into some text or primtioive GUI medium, and randomly paking awkward passes until one of them doesn't ignore tyou - and actually lets you between their thighs? That's not romance, that's a meat market. That's what the majority - if not the rule - is. Sure, it's possible to fidn kinship, friends, and even 'love; through such mediums, but it's quite dwarved by those who are just trying, and just want to 'stick it in it'... so to speak.

You have to remember that these are the same kind of whiny teens and geezers from the early AOL and Prodigy days that refer to their "friends" by their user names, because they've never met them in person or concerned themselves with their real names. Their social circles don't extend beyond whatever room of their house their computer is in with the exception of any furries they know in real life.

These are the dorks that insist interaction online is "more real than reality because online people don't put up fronts like they do in real life."

Uh-huh.. tell that to the 45 year old sitting his 300lb ass in front of the computer, butt-naked, telling someone how his character is a busty dragoness, but in real life he's a 25 year old Taiwanese boi that likes raves and ricing out Hondas.

I can just see it now: One of the CYD regulars tries to prove he's perfectly normal by going out on a date... but then he stays up way too late one night drawing snide cartoons about Mark Merlino, and oversleeps the next day and forgets to pick her up. He tries to explain it to her, she gets upset, he tries to give her a box of chocolates, but he's accidentally grabbed the box that says "Hope You Get Cancer" which he was going to mail to Xydexx, and, well, things just get even uglier after that.

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

Why do they always assume we're all guys, there's no attention paid to the femmes. :evil: Considering I'm already getting marriage proposals, gotta wonder where they're getting their information. :P

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Simple.. girls scare them.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

PREACHER TELLING THE TRUTH AND IT HURTS

You forgot the fingerless gloves, though I'll forgive you. We can simply reason this particular furreh badass is a schmoooove lover, not a fighter.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

Why do they always assume we're all guys, there's no attention paid to the femmes. :evil: Considering I'm already getting marriage proposals, gotta wonder where they're getting their information. :P

Shit, if you didn't live all the way over in Britland I would have already stalked you and pitched a tent* outside on your front lawn.

*SHUT UP RANKIN/ZEN ZHU/uh.. anyone else.. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

Simple.. girls scare them.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

*SHUT UP RANKIN/ZEN ZHU/uh.. anyone else.. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT

You need to change your avatar to the humpydoggy I made for you. :mad:

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

Simple.. girls scare them.

Well, that's only partially true. Girls who aren't morbidly obese scare them. The furry chicks who weigh more than a buick and speak in emoticons blend right in. Sorta like dwarf women. =)

It's good to know, though, that being a girl offers some protection from them.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

Simple.. girls scare them.

http://www.candytower.com/link/1000/0611.jpg

That one's a CLASSIC.

Though seeing it on the internet right now sort of makes it look like kiddie porn

*SHUT UP RANKIN/ZEN ZHU/uh.. anyone else.. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT

You need to change your avatar to the humpydoggy I made for you. :mad:

Shut up, I haven't read that thread yet. Therefore I don't yet know you did a doggieleghumping version of the avatar I ripped off of someones VCL gallery.

Hell, at this rate I may never get to it. I'm still replying to threads I just posted in a few minutes ago! I'll probably break a personal record for number of posts made in one day here.

I just don't know how you do it Rankin :roll:

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

Shut up, I haven't read that thread yet.

It's in our wonderful literate art to Compu, you fag.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

Shut up, I haven't read that thread yet.

http://www.bullshido.net/images-misc/rolleyesbarf.gif

It's in our wonderful literate art to Compu, you fag.

Yes, I know. I haven't *read* it yet. Of course I've read it, but I haven't read it.

See, I read forum posts. But I wait until I have time to reply to all of them. Otherwise it looks like I ignored one when I replied to another, then it's hard to go back and keep my posts sounding fresh and spontanious.

Fucking hell, stop answering my damn posts and let me make my way through the ones I haven't read read yet :evil:

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

Fucking hell, stop answering my damn posts and let me make my way through the ones I haven't read read yet :evil:

No. Or were you only addressing Rankin?

BTW, you must be desperate. How can you threaten to stalk DA when she hasn't even shown us a photo of her famed boobs yet? Donotsue and I tried to make her do that in a thread somewhere, but she came up with some lame excuse about not having a camera and being too broke to spend money on a photo-automat... Drat.

Seems I'm getting desperate too.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Hell, at this rate I may never get to it. I'm still replying to threads I just posted in a few minutes ago! I'll probably break a personal record for number of posts made in one day here.

No kidding.. quite a busy day we've been having.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

Hell, at this rate I may never get to it. I'm still replying to threads I just posted in a few minutes ago! I'll probably break a personal record for number of posts made in one day here.

No kidding.. quite a busy day we've been having.

YES! I've just narrowly edged out even The New Meat (6th place) for the #5 slot on the top CYD posters list, putting me in the (duh) top five. Both me and The New Meat advanced enough these past few days to drop Wayd down from the number five spot all the way to seventh. Owch! Big hit there.. and since he posts so infrequently now, looks like he may slip off the active charts eventualy.

I'm gunning for Hirtes next, but that's a few hundred posts away. Insurmountable, you say? Nope. Hites has been almost as inactive as Wayd as of late :twisted:

Right now The New Meat is my only competition, and since he has an actual girlfriend, probably a decent job, cute pets and a life, I'm banking on him not being able to keep the pace for long.

Of course, Rankin and you, Zen Zhu, are far beyond us all, and it'd just be a pipe dream to think I could ever make it that far. But hey, a dream is still a dream, eh?

GoManVanGogh · Vociferator Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 659

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz-....

How can you threaten to stalk DA when she hasn't even shown us a photo of her famed boobs yet?

*SNORT* Boobies?! :shock:

Michael Hirtes · Needs to get out more Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 820

ARRRRGH! They defam the glory off CYD! Mitch shud LAW SUITE!!!!!111

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

YES! I've just narrowly edged out even The New Meat (6th place) for the #5 slot on the top CYD posters list, putting me in the (duh) top five. Both me and The New Meat advanced enough these past few days to drop Wayd down from the number five spot all the way to seventh. Owch! Big hit there.. and since he posts so infrequently now, looks like he may slip off the active charts eventualy.

I'm going to start browsing these forums and see nothing but horny humping winged dogs now, aren't I? Joy. :roll:

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

I'm going to start browsing these forums and see nothing but horny humping winged dogs now, aren't I? Joy. :roll:

I really, really do love your avatar (I was just joking in that other thread when I said I didn't -see, I said I hate Bizarro threads but I was treating it like a Bizarro thread, hence my denouncement of squirrels... and mansex).

That your put your location as "Nicameowgua" just pushes it over the edge to insane levels of cute.

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

I really, really do love your avatar (I was just joking in that other thread when I said I didn't -see, I said I hate Bizarro threads but I was treating it like a Bizarro thread, hence my denouncement of squirrels... and mansex).

That your put your location as "Nicameowgua" just pushes it over the edge to insane levels of cute.

Knowing you and that fact actually said that you disliked squirrels and mansex in addition to my avatar, I figured you were joking. I'm glad you like it. I created it myself by ripping from a Hyper Police DVD.

I should also add the fact that your avatar amuses me.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

STAND BACK EVERYONE... I THINK THEY'RE GONNA FUCK!

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

Hell, at this rate I may never get to it. I'm still replying to threads I just posted in a few minutes ago! I'll probably break a personal record for number of posts made in one day here.

No kidding.. quite a busy day we've been having.

Indeed. Old thread bumped, posts a-plenty, Stoneth and Skunkfuckers Inc. all but typefucking... what next? Photo of DA's boobs? Sorry. I'll shut up about that now.

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

It's good to know, though, that being a girl offers some protection from them.

Not always. Trust me on this, there's is nothing more pathetic than a furry trying to kiss up because he's finally found a girl who is A: nice b: not a buttertroll and C: an artist.

I've had my share of stalkers and weirdos :evil:

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 183

STAND BACK EVERYONE... I THINK THEY'RE GONNA FUCK!

Well, they do have so much in common, with the animated avatars and everything..

And this forum has such a romantic atmosphere too.. I wonder why there haven't been more CYD hookups, come to think of it.

I give my enthusiastic blessing to this unfurling romance! Plus when they have a messy e-Divorce right here on the forums it will be fun to read.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

God... can you imagine how twisted the offspring will be? It'll echo sentiment of "The Fly", only much more disturbing.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

And this forum has such a romantic atmosphere too.. I wonder why there haven't been more CYD hookups, come to think of it.

Some of us just prefer to keep our CYD dalliances private. Isn't that right Rankinsweetums? I would imagine.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

STAND BACK EVERYONE... I THINK THEY'RE GONNA FUCK!

Well, they do have so much in common, with the animated avatars and everything..

And this forum has such a romantic atmosphere too.. I wonder why there haven't been more CYD hookups, come to think of it.

I give my enthusiastic blessing to this unfurling romance! Plus when they have a messy e-Divorce right here on the forums it will be fun to read.

I'm supposed to be married already... but it seems we've become estranged as of late :cry:

That, and I can seem to find that group pic of the CYD forum goers taken at the wedding...

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

That, and I can seem to find that group pic of the CYD forum goers taken at the wedding...

Awww. It's right here, in The New Meat's critique of "Southwest Corner of CYD". I mean, The New Meat's critique of "West Corner of the Park".

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

Some of us just prefer to keep our CYD dalliances private. Isn't that right Rankinsweetums? I would imagine.

While this is true, This depends on your interpetation of 'dallaiance'. You're too bald for me to screw, however, dawdling, my dear, is quite apropos. I still find that the strongest affinity is to that of pie.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I still find that the strongest affinity is to that of pie.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

Why must you twist my words and take everything that is beautiful.. You're no "Stiffler's Mom".

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 183

From this lively discussion at Fur.com

Sorry to re-jack the thread, but I went through that link and found this:

No problem with thinking and liking pedophilia, but I feel like it shouldn't be practiced in real life, since it ain't really postive to the child. Or whaddya think, Simppa?

My little theory is that being "furry" is really nothing more than saying you will accept pretty much any fetish/perversion out there... Honestly most of them are pretty silly yet excusable. Pedophilia isn't. It honestly distresses me that this kind of "Well i'm not really sure, is it bad? I need someone else's opinion." mentality even can be voiced without being shot down on that message board.

Seriously, one reason I got out of furry was that I am very worried about being associated with dog humpers and fursuit fetishists, but it's not the end of the world if I were. However, if furry ever becomes associated with pedophilia to the point that the Federales or general public start to take notice, it's going to be really, really bad.

That's one reason why I'm really against the "cub" fetishists and babyfurs. It just seems like it's getting dangerously close to Pedophilia, despite their excuses that its not.

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

I'm supposed to be married already... but it seems we've become estranged as of late :cry:

That, and I can seem to find that group pic of the CYD forum goers taken at the wedding...

Oh, Skunkfuckers. What ever shall we tell Donny? :wink:

You know ... seeing that pic of the wedding again kind of makes me wish I had joined CYD a month or two earlier.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

No problem with thinking and liking pedophilia, but I feel like it shouldn't be practiced in real life, since it ain't really postive to the child. Or whaddya think, Simppa?

Just for anyone who has to think about it for more than three seconds; the correct answer is "Anything sexual to do with children is WRONG! What the hell is wrong with you!?! Are you bloody nuts!?!"

GoManVanGogh · Vociferator Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 659

I've had my share of stalkers and weirdos :evil:

But I'm the only one who ever meant anything, right hon? :wink:

It's a JOKE, people....

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

The fandumb is a haven for all the sexual dregs of society. I'm not suprised at all that pedophilia is not outwardly shunned.

Think of it this way, it's not like new fetishes or perversion enter or leave the fandumb, some are just quiet for a while.

It's not that pedophiles are now suddenly jumping into the furry ranks, they were always there, only now do they feel self righteous enough (with furry kiddo porn pride!) to start speaking out.

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

I've had my share of stalkers and weirdos :evil:

But I'm the only one who ever meant anything, right hon? :wink:

It's a JOKE, people....

Yeah the night where you never did anything was really special and meant so much to me...

Ontopic, has anyone else noticed at a lot of beastiality advocate group are also hot on pedophilia, nearly every one of them I run into would also preach about the byootifulness of adult/child love if given half a chance.

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 625

Scientifically speaking, the just fucking wrong portion of the brain has been damaged. This region of the brain developed in higher primates and earlier man. It aids the survival of the species by making its members less likely to kill each other. When this has been damaged, either by genetic mutation, drug abuse, physical injury or chemical imbalance (re: too much spooge in the bloodstream), the individual is more likely to partake in entertainment that would in a more primitive society result in the individual's immediate stoning to death in a bloody but amusing public spectacle.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

I think what bothers me most about stuff like this is the absolute and total selfishness motivates evil things like child abuse or beastiality. People like this will argue endlessly and, sometimes, intelligently about expressing sexual love, the behavior of the ancient world, whatever. But what it all boils down to is they want to get their rocks off. That's it. There's no higher purpose, no politics, no denial. In their ego-centric pride they refuse to remember that children and animals cannot give consent. They cannot choose, thus they are defenseless. And in the end, all those flowery words and appeals can't change the fact perverts wish to ignore the pain and horror inflicted on their victims. Sex without consent is rape. Children and animals cannot give rational consent...thus, in the end, pedophiles and zoos are common rapists.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

My little theory is that being "furry" is really nothing more than saying you will accept pretty much any fetish/perversion out there... Honestly most of them are pretty silly yet excusable. Pedophilia isn't. It honestly distresses me that this kind of "Well i'm not really sure, is it bad? I need someone else's opinion." mentality even can be voiced without being shot down on that message board.

Through some of the things I have witnessed in furrydom, I have come to believe that one of the reasons furries are so accepting of any and every fetish is basically that they are so very, very afraid that if they dare make any distinctions between right and wrong among the fetishes, their own personal kinks will come under fire. This seems to be a particularly active consideration among the image boards like VCL, Fchan, and the like. They are afraid that if they dare to say "images depicting bestiality and pedophilia shouldn't be allowed on this site," then pretty soon they will likewise lose their ability to exchange images depicting foot fetishes, bondage, S&M, and being swatted on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper.

Furthermore, furries seem to believe that if one kink is okay, they all pretty much are. I think many of them tend to think, "I like pee, he likes little children... who am I to judge?" For one reason or another, they cannot wrap their fuzzy minds around the concept that there are sexual practices that are pretty harmless... personal tastes not withstanding... and there are those practices that are, in fact, harmful... that involve victimizing animals, children, and other people. (Take, for example, the fetish of the villain in The Cell. He'd kidnap women, film them drowning, then jack off to the footage. Would a furry be so reticent to judge that as wrong?)

The furry freaks that are responsible for this mentality among the furs are either so unwilling or so unable to draw a line in the sand and place some fetishes that are clearly harmful on the other side... asserting that they are improper and, therefore, unwelcome. Other furries, then, say things like "I don't pesonally agree with it, but I'm not so sure it's wrong" because they are fundamentally fucking lemmings and sheep... so unwilling to risk not being part of the crowd that they'll agree to anything.

This, I think, is one reason people like Merlino were able to bend and twist the fandom in places to suit their desires... warping the general image along with it. You have a few "movers and shakers" emerge now and then within the fandom, and everyone else is just so cowardly and weak-willed that they'll follow along like lambs to the slaughter.

It's no secret that furries tend to be social pariahas, either by quirks of furry fate or even by their own choosing (those folks that just cannot and will not give most things a try for the mere sake that many other people are doing it... that willfully choose to go against the social grain, not because whatever is going on is genuinely dumb, but because they have something against doing things that just might be construed as the flavor of the month or popular). I don't think furrydom tends to make them this way, however. It's not their interest in anthropomorphics that makes them outcasts. They were outcasts before they were furry. Furrydom gave them a place where they could be without feeling judged by and large (at least not openly... furries, of course, are almost more cliquish and judgemenal than nonfurries... they'll just keep it to themselves if you happen to be willing to draw for them or fuck them.)

So, with this collection of spineless outcasts banding together to form some kind of social group, it's only natural they'd be unwilling to rock the boat in any fashion for fear of losing face and being cast out from yet another social group.

Eloquence and verbosity aside, they're just a bunch of aggrivatingly weak-willed idiots who cannot or will not dare to suggest some practices are relatively harmless, and others are harmful. This "I'm not sure.. I need someone else's opinion" attitude isn't an attempt to determine their own feelings on the subject... they know what they think about it... they're just unwilling to voice their opinions until they know which way the groupthink blows.

Seriously, one reason I got out of furry was that I am very worried about being associated with dog humpers and fursuit fetishists, but it's not the end of the world if I were. However, if furry ever becomes associated with pedophilia to the point that the Federales or general public start to take notice, it's going to be really, really bad.

This is one thing that began my exodus from what little involvement I had with furrydom. I don't think the pedophila is a big problem.. just like in normal society it's not like there's one around every corner. But, the furry environment is a pedophile's paradise, just ripe for the picking. It wouldn't be, but the fact that furries lack the balls to toss out anyone that would likely be a pedophile makes it a place that would be perfect for them to prey on children should they ever discover the potential that's there. The potential wasn't so much what irked me enough to start giving it up so much as the fact that furries would protect and nurture such behavior disgusted me enough that something just snapped.. and my fall from furrydom began.

No problem with thinking and liking pedophilia, but I feel like it shouldn't be practiced in real life, since it ain't really postive to the child. Or whaddya think, Simppa?

One of those disgusting mindsets of which I speak. Furries are quick to excuse fetishes that are repugnant or even harmful with the mentality that there's nothing wrong with drawing, talking about, thinking about, and roleplaying these things.... so long as you don't do it in real life. But the very fact that you are drawing, talking about, thinking about, or roleplaying something demonstrates you have an interest in it.

I'll make exceptions for drawing some things simply because some furry hit on whatever price you'd sell out for and waved that dollar amount in your face. I'll also make limited exceptions for role playing some things that may not really get your buzz on.. like tentacle rape.. for the sake of trying something different (or the clydesdale tentacle mutant wanting to bone you with his squishy appendages is the only person that will textfuck with you).

Those aside, there are some things like pedophilia that any sensible person wouldn't touch with a 10-ft. pole in any fashion, even simply in online role play. And I don't count an adult willingly acting like a child.. that's that whole "big baby" scene and, while scary in its own right, isn't necessarily related so much to pedophilia as the "baby" getting off on feeling child like (still think it represents psychological issues, tho). But you can't tell me that if you like to go on to FurryMUCK and RP pedo scenes, it doesn't represent an interest in it in real life. I personally just don't buy it. If you find the mental concept of it arousing enough to type out a pedo scene with one hand and wank with the other, your wiring is crossed enough that - someday - RP may not be enough.

Where the mind goes, the body tends to follow.

Ontopic, has anyone else noticed at a lot of beastiality advocate group are also hot on pedophilia, nearly every one of them I run into would also preach about the byootifulness of adult/child love if given half a chance.

If you think about what gets the pedo/zoo hot, they're really the same thing. You have the psychological high of taking pleasure from a living being that is not familiar with human sex because they cannot conceptualize it, either because of limited intelligence in the case of animals, or limited or undeveloped awareness of it in children. The victim is funtamentally "innocent" when it comes to human sexuality, and the assailant is "educating" them on the nature of physical love.

I wouldn't be surprised to find it somehow stems from an enjoyment of the concept of "deflowering" a virgin... though the high is enhanced by not only the "let me show you the ways of love" aspect, but the thrill of victimizing the child or animal. So, it's probably a kind of cross between the Captain Kirk complex (teaching alien women to loooooove) and whatever thrills make a rapist tick.

If you look at the modus operandi of a pedophile and a zoophile.. such as how they go about putting themselves in contact with victims through job selection and such, they're pretty much the same. Only the species of the victim differs. I personally suspect a lot of zoophiles are wannabe pedophiles that are simply too scared to take a victim that has the capacity for speech and, hence, could tell the police about them. If dogs ever gain the ability to say "Officer, this freak fucked me in the ass," I bet you'll see a lot less zoophiles talking their smack out there. They'll have to move on to fucking trees or beehives or something.

Scientifically speaking, the just fucking wrong portion of the brain has been damaged. This region of the brain developed in higher primates and earlier man. It aids the survival of the species by making its members less likely to kill each other. When this has been damaged, either by genetic mutation, drug abuse, physical injury or chemical imbalance (re: too much spooge in the bloodstream), the individual is more likely to partake in entertainment that would in a more primitive society result in the individual's immediate stoning to death in a bloody but amusing public spectacle.

So, furries aren't "more in touch with nature"... they're simply underevolved. :D

Since I'm editing this to add Rail's post, I'll just tack on amen to your last post, Monica. Well said.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

Well, I think you pretty much covered it. =) Perfectlly said.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Shit... scrolling along it, I think I covered that, the preamble to the Constitution, and 2/3 of War and Peace.

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 183

But, the furry environment is a pedophile's paradise, just ripe for the picking.

I wonder if you realize how accurate you are here. From what I have seen while inside the fandom, there are a lot of underage kids out there, alienated from their familes and peer groups and looking for acceptance within the fandom. Heck, you can go onto pounced and find a whole bunch right there.

However, someday the various law enforcement agencies will find the fandom. I hope that when they do, they just sneak in and quietly catch whatever pedos we have floating around one-by-one, instead of uncovering some horrible pedophile ring within the fandom and splash it all over the press so that not only does every layperson associate "furry" with fursuit sex, they'll also associate it with child rape.

And before anyone calls me Chicken Little, I've already met a few people in the fandom that quite obviously have a taste for this kind of thing, based on the people they chose to be with. It's just something I've quietly ignored up unil recently.

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

But, the furry environment is a pedophile's paradise, just ripe for the picking.
Heck, you can go onto pounced and find a whole bunch right there.

I think Furcadia would be a bigger threat in that respect. The program is catered to be cutsie and child friendly... while the most active section is adult. It's ability to pretend to be any age, anything, makes the logical place preteens would flock to, and predators to stalk.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I will give them credit, though.. they have settings in there that can allow parents to restrict access and set a password. That at least gives them the ability to regulate access, assuming they know where their children are going online, as any parent should. That's a lot more than some place like FurryMUCK offers.

Computolio · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 865

I think what bothers me most about stuff like this is the absolute and total selfishness motivates evil things like child abuse or beastiality. People like this will argue endlessly and, sometimes, intelligently about expressing sexual love, the behavior of the ancient world, whatever. But what it all boils down to is they want to get their rocks off. That's it. There's no higher purpose, no politics, no denial. In their ego-centric pride they refuse to remember that children and animals cannot give consent. They cannot choose, thus they are defenseless. And in the end, all those flowery words and appeals can't change the fact perverts wish to ignore the pain and horror inflicted on their victims. Sex without consent is rape. Children and animals cannot give rational consent...thus, in the end, pedophiles and zoos are common rapists.

What makes this ironic is that you're typing this in purple.

Like Manawolf.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

I think what bothers me most about stuff like this is the absolute and total selfishness motivates evil things like child abuse or beastiality. People like this will argue endlessly and, sometimes, intelligently about expressing sexual love, the behavior of the ancient world, whatever. But what it all boils down to is they want to get their rocks off. That's it. There's no higher purpose, no politics, no denial. In their ego-centric pride they refuse to remember that children and animals cannot give consent. They cannot choose, thus they are defenseless. And in the end, all those flowery words and appeals can't change the fact perverts wish to ignore the pain and horror inflicted on their victims. Sex without consent is rape. Children and animals cannot give rational consent...thus, in the end, pedophiles and zoos are common rapists.

What makes this ironic is that you're typing this in purple.

Like Manawolf.

I was wondering how long it'd take people to mention that :lol:

Actual photo's of MonicaKitty:

HOLY FUCK SHE'S HIDEOUS

I'm joking. This is her out of her (Halloween) costume:

http://www.hellomonica.com/weddancing2.jpg

:D

http://www.hellomonica.com/monschoolread.jpg

:D:D:D

The line of stalkers forms here ----> _____________

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 625

Little known to the rest of the world, Predators were actually stalking the countrysides of England as far back as the 1950s. However, it was not until the early 1970s did they adopt the camoflauge we now think of them sporting and expand their hunt to the rest of the world.

Needless to say, such flamboyant colors restricted their prey to the colorblind Englishmen of that day.

Genghis · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 322

Let not the bad colour be seen.

It attracts them.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

The line of stalkers forms here ----> _____________

Sorry dude, I doubt it would work out for you. Aside from the purple text, she cares so much about politics that it's not only the first link on her home page, but even lsited in her occupation.

The only thing that mixes worse than Vodka and Sunny Delight is the Internet, and Politics: After all, everyone knows better than you.. especally those in other coutnries. Well, granted, they'll most likely be better informed...

Edit: In other news, phpBB 2.0.12 is out.

Rural Pimp · Rasophore Joined: 25 Dec 2004 Posts: 70

http://www.hellomonica.com/monschoolread.jpg

OOOOOOOHHHHHH YYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

What makes this ironic is that you're typing this in purple.

Hey, I like purple. =) Purple is the colour of divinity, royalty, and...uh...insanity.

The line of stalkers forms here ----> _____________

LOL Wow! Actual stalkers! How flattering! I don't think my husband will be too keen though. =)

Sorry dude, I doubt it would work out for you. Aside from the purple text, she cares so much about politics

To be honest I never cared about politics until about a year ago. The fact is I hate Bush and I think he's doing very bad things. So...I actually pay attention now. And tend to get pissed off alot more frequently. =(

OOOOOOOHHHHHH YYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not sure what that means, so I'll just smile and nod. =)

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

The line of stalkers forms here ----> _____________

LOL Wow! Actual stalkers! How flattering! I don't think my husband will be too keen though. =)

Most guys are all like "UR A GURL!?? OMG HI 2 U!!" at the presence of an actual female, one that isn't a butterbeast or skank monster. In your case though, a cute schoolgirl/demure bride/badass Kthulu-costume wearing triple threat hottie is bound to attract a few (mostly harmless, I swear) stalkers :)

OOOOOOOHHHHHH YYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not sure what that means, so I'll just smile and nod. =)

Translation: "U R HAWT!!"

alt. translation: "I have a schoolgirl fetish."

I'm writing these down you know, creating a dossier on all known CYD members, and "schoolgirl fetish" just went down as Rural Pimp's personal, uh.. interest.

:twisted:

Dr. Dos · Vociferator Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 718

by using purple you get to get away without using quote tags.

To be honest I never cared about politics until about a year ago. The fact is I hate Bush and I think he's doing very bad things. So...I actually pay attention now. And tend to get pissed off alot more frequently. =(

Oh but I can use the same concept in reverse. I started paying attention to politics more for the same reason, I blame DC Simpson's LJ for that.

The New Meat · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 933

You're purty.

To be honest I never cared about politics until about a year ago. The fact is I hate Bush and I think he's doing very bad things. So...I actually pay attention now. And tend to get pissed off alot more frequently. =(

AND I LOVE YOU NOW.

The New Meat · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 933

YES! I've just narrowly edged out even The New Meat (6th place) for the #5 slot on the top CYD posters list, putting me in the (duh) top five.

You seek to topple me from my throne?!! FOOL I WILL CRUSH YOU!!

Right now The New Meat is my only competition, and since he has an actual girlfriend, probably a decent job, cute pets and a life, I'm banking on him not being able to keep the pace for long.

You underestimate me, good sir! Have at thee! Huzzah!

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

" a cute schoolgirl/demure bride/badass Kthulu-costume wearing triple threat hottie "

Hey, I also kick much ass at Halo. That's important. =) Thank you very much for the compliments! Ia Cthulhu fghtagn! =)

Donotsue · Needs to get out more Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 884

Now, kiddies...what have y'all been upto in my abs...ynthe...

Can't a guy have a drink for a week without Skunkster already stalking all the gals in here? =)
Now I have sum catching up to do...

Rural Pimp · Rasophore Joined: 25 Dec 2004 Posts: 70

I took a long walk today in knee-deep snow to air out yesterdays´ booze fumes.

Quote:
OOOOOOOHHHHHH YYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not sure what that means, so I'll just smile and nod. =)

I was just expressing my undiluted enthusiasm about MonicaKitty obviously having perfected the "Geek Hottie" look. (Adorable!)

I'm writing these down you know, creating a dossier on all known CYD members, and "schoolgirl fetish" just went down as Rural Pimp's personal, uh.. interest.

Well.... You know...

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

Now I have sum catching up to do...

AH! Ze prey wishes to become ze predator then, nest ce pas? :wink:

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

I'm writing these down you know, creating a dossier on all known CYD members, and "schoolgirl fetish" just went down as Rural Pimp's personal, uh.. interest.

Well.... You know...

OH YES, WE KNOW. We do now anyway :P

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

I was just expressing my undiluted enthusiasm about MonicaKitty obviously having perfected the "Geek Hottie" look. (Adorable!)

Thanks! I'm one of those weirdos who thinks the term "geek" is a badge of honor, so it's an identity I've never run from. The nice part is, I'm a manager at a video game store, and "geek hottie" is about the best sales tactic I've ever had. =)

LOL The schoolgirl thing is awesome. I have way more plaid skirts than is probably healthy for a 26 year old woman.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

Now I have sum catching up to do...

AH! Ze prey wishes to become ze predator then, nest ce pas? :wink:

CUTE!!!! <saves picture>

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Criminey, guys... just go learn about masturbation already and leave the poor girl alone.

LOL The schoolgirl thing is awesome. I have way more plaid skirts than is probably healthy for a 26 year old woman.

I know some people that can help you with that. :D

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

God, I hate that show. If they saw my wardrobe, I'd be left with nothing but a bra and a bottle of nail polish. =)

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

God, I hate that show. If they saw my wardrobe, I'd be left with nothing but a bra and a bottle of nail polish. =)

That'll work :oops:

Alright alright, Zen... I'll stop trying to molest the pretty young girls :roll: and go back to trying to molest the pretty young skwrls!

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

God, I hate that show. If they saw my wardrobe, I'd be left with nothing but a bra and a bottle of nail polish. =)

You're doing this to Skunk intentionally, aren't you? :twisted:

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 658

THRUSTING this thread FIRMLY and MANFULLY back on-topic:

Why don't you just shut the hell up Mouse?
CYD is nothing more than a joke, a parody
of its former self inhabited by gay furries
and the random straight ex-furs who have far
too much time on their hands.(Paws if you will)
No one really takes them seriously these days,
so go back to wearing womens underwear for
your boyfriend Jerry Collins.

Uncle Jedi Knight.

From here
:lol:

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

We're space-shuttle gay

Somehow that sounds worse than being jailhouse gay.

Shuttle 6, this is Huston. Please respond, over.
Shuttle 6, this is Huston. Please respond, over.
Huston, this is Shuttle 6. Sorry about the delay. We were yiffing, over.
Shuttle 6, what the bloody hell? Over.
Huston, we've been going at it like rabbits. Like the Christmas issue of ASB. You know, the one where they introduce Daniel to Hillard Hall's New Year's tradition, over.
Shuttle 6, this is Huston. We'll be cutting your life support now, over.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

THRUSTING this thread FIRMLY and MANFULLY back on-topic:

swoon

Why don't you just shut the hell up Mouse?
CYD is nothing more than a joke, a parody
of its former self inhabited by gay furries
and the random straight ex-furs

Item 1) I wasn't aware CYD was ever anything more than parody and jokes
Item 2) I'm pretty sure this is one of the few places associated with furrydom in any way where the blatantly straight outnumber the blatantly gay with any number of random bi-ness stacking the see-saw more on the straight side.

who have far too much time on their hands.(Paws if you will)

I think I won't.

No one really takes them seriously these days,

Least of which -- ourselves.

Dogthing · Vociferator Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 700

Man, those guys just don't GET us. They just hate what they don't understand. I bet if those guys realized what being CYD actually means they would lurch and have huge hearts in their eyes and then they'd unzip their pants and start writing "CRUSH YIFF DESTROY" all over their walls with semen because thir eyes would be open to the truth instead of closed in hate and prejudice

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 183

Item 2) I'm pretty sure this is one of the few places associated with furrydom in any way where the blatantly straight outnumber the blatantly gay with any number of random bi-ness stacking the see-saw more on the straight side.

Or HOLY MOLEY NEW CONCEPT those of us who thought that our sexuality is completely seperate from the whole furry thing.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Li'l ol' me just had to chime in over there....

No, because most heterosexual furries don't have a complex that compels them to equate their interest in cartoon animals with which gender they like to bone.

Likewise, there aren't subdivisions for homosexual furries that are, in fact, homosexual but also realize their interest in cartoon animals has no relation to their romantic and sexual entanglements.

The term "jailhouse" gay is, admittedly, a derogatory term, but nonetheless describes a distinct phenomoenon. The phenomenon itself is not limited to fandoms, furry or otherwise, however. Basically, as the younger generations become more open-minded about same-sex relationships, they are more inclined to experiment. You might also look at it as being "gender-blind" in some cases moreso than experimental.

In male-dominated fandoms like furrydom, these gender-blind fans can tend to congregate together. Let's face it, many furry fans are social outcasts either because of non-furry factors, such as lack of social skills, or by their own design through self-imposed loner complexes and such. While furries like to think their interest in cartoon animals makes them pariahs, they are typically social outcasts long before they discover furrydom.

Once they get in among furries, they find themselves among similar outcasts. Like attracts like, and romance (or simple lust) blossoms. In all honesty, I'm not inclined to think there are many "jailhouse gay" relationships within furry fandom so much as there are simply same-sex "friends with fringe benefits" relationships.

I'm sure many will be quick to refute that opinion, saying they found "THE ONE" they will be with for all time in furrydom, but we've all seen those relationships crumble like a burnt cookie the first time someone's caught wanking online with someone else, or doesn't want to draw a commission for their snuggywuggyyiffikins or something. Furry relationships cycle around faster than a merry-go-round, and today's true love is tomorrow's OMGWHATWASITHINKINGTHEY'REINSIANE! rants in the West Corner of the Park.

For those that may have been fortunate enough to find a serious relationship among the friendships they have made in furrydom, they are to be congratulated. But, by and large, the new breed of furry fans are too young to really know how to handle a mature and lasting relationship, and are engaged in little more than friendships made to seem like something more by the raging hormones boiling inside of them.

Granted, that opinion is a little slanted. For those few of you in a committed relationship with your furry significant other, remember my words and laugh at how you beat the odds 5 years from now when you are still with your partner. For those many of you that think I am poking fun at your having found true love, remember this 5 months from now when you're tearing up all of the drawings they did for you while you cry your eyes out along with Linkin Park.

Michael Hirtes · Needs to get out more Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 820

From here
:lol:

2005-02-25 23:08 (link)
Alright, whats all this "jealous" nonsense?

Hey Xydexx, not only are you starting to sound like a broken record, youre starting to sound like Hirtes here

Jeez. Even in a forum I have nothing to do with (or would ever want to), my name is used in an insulting manner.

I AM TEH FURRYDUMB'S BOGEYMAN!
TERROR OF FURRYMUCK-LAND!!

Warms my heart to know that I'm still despised so much by these losers, even when I've said or done nothing towards them. Seriously, it does.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

"CYD is nothing more than a joke, a parody
of its former self inhabited by gay furries
and the random straight ex-furs"

Oh Kettle, Thou art truly so black, did cry the pot!

There's more straight people here than you're likely to find anywhere else dealing witht his subject. That's not good or bad, simply an accurate observation. The fact these people seem to think it's an astute and insulting little remark are most likely high on crystal meth. Or maybe Pixi Sticks and Mountain Dew.

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1192

Hey Xydexx, not only are you starting to sound like a broken record, youre starting to sound like Hirtes here

Jeez. Even in a forum I have nothing to do with (or would ever want to), my name is used in an insulting manner.

nothing personal

But you did used to say that all the time (and xydexx is starting to accuse everyone of jealosy lately). Im pretty sure Xydexx hates you.. so I made that comparison strictly for that reason. :)

Jerry Collins · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 548

Post Vixen?That ol' skank again?and as to the rest of the the A.f.f. lossers,well,what did you expect?ENLIGHTHENED THOUGHT???not there gang!so lt's all say to the these spiteful gits in one voice:"....yawn....." If these shmucks (teh phurries) were a real threat to me,I would be here posting.I'd be on their porch,with a big damn stick,knocking on their door,just like Jay and Silent Bob....you phurries better hope I don't win the lotto!

Jerry Collins · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 548

slight correction,that's would NOT be posting...sorry :oops:

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

I AM TEH FURRYDUMB'S BOGEYMAN!
TERROR OF FURRYMUCK-LAND!!

Warms my heart to know that I'm still despised so much by these losers, even when I've said or done nothing towards them. Seriously, it does.

Jawohl!

Quatrewolf · Coadjutor Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 72

Li'l ol' me just had to chime in over there....

No, because most heterosexual furries don't have a complex that compels them to equate their interest in cartoon animals with which gender they like to bone.

Likewise, there aren't subdivisions for homosexual furries that are, in fact, homosexual but also realize their interest in cartoon animals has no relation to their romantic and sexual entanglements.

The term "jailhouse" gay is, admittedly, a derogatory term, but nonetheless describes a distinct phenomoenon. The phenomenon itself is not limited to fandoms, furry or otherwise, however. Basically, as the younger generations become more open-minded about same-sex relationships, they are more inclined to experiment. You might also look at it as being "gender-blind" in some cases moreso than experimental.

In male-dominated fandoms like furrydom, these gender-blind fans can tend to congregate together. Let's face it, many furry fans are social outcasts either because of non-furry factors, such as lack of social skills, or by their own design through self-imposed loner complexes and such. While furries like to think their interest in cartoon animals makes them pariahs, they are typically social outcasts long before they discover furrydom.

Once they get in among furries, they find themselves among similar outcasts. Like attracts like, and romance (or simple lust) blossoms. In all honesty, I'm not inclined to think there are many "jailhouse gay" relationships within furry fandom so much as there are simply same-sex "friends with fringe benefits" relationships.

I'm sure many will be quick to refute that opinion, saying they found "THE ONE" they will be with for all time in furrydom, but we've all seen those relationships crumble like a burnt cookie the first time someone's caught wanking online with someone else, or doesn't want to draw a commission for their snuggywuggyyiffikins or something. Furry relationships cycle around faster than a merry-go-round, and today's true love is tomorrow's OMGWHATWASITHINKINGTHEY'REINSIANE! rants in the West Corner of the Park.

For those that may have been fortunate enough to find a serious relationship among the friendships they have made in furrydom, they are to be congratulated. But, by and large, the new breed of furry fans are too young to really know how to handle a mature and lasting relationship, and are engaged in little more than friendships made to seem like something more by the raging hormones boiling inside of them.

Granted, that opinion is a little slanted. For those few of you in a committed relationship with your furry significant other, remember my words and laugh at how you beat the odds 5 years from now when you are still with your partner. For those many of you that think I am poking fun at your having found true love, remember this 5 months from now when you're tearing up all of the drawings they did for you while you cry your eyes out along with Linkin Park.

I always love what you post. And isn't it kind of the usual 'defensive much?' when Postvixen posted two replies when he could have calmly posted it in one reply?

Pretty much when everybody makes fun of a certain fandom, its like their God-given right to defend it. I have no sympathy for such people when they are that obessed with any fandom(Scifi, anime or furry). It's a hobby for fucking crying out loud! :idea:

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I didn't see any responses to it, since I tend to use a "fire and forget" tactic when I see something in a furry form that compels me to comment. I figure I'll state my notion to have it floating out there in the cosmos and not concern myself with whatever halfwit responses of "Nuh-uh! Me and AlphaFoxxxieButt are gonna be in luuuuuv FOREVER." it incurs. I just state those things to give them something to chew on. Otherwise, I know it's a fools errand to try and convince some 20-something furry that he and his wolfy "soulmate" stand a pretty good chance of ending up in splitsville since they're just hanging around each other for the buttsex and for the sake of not being alone.

My conviction in such notions stands firm for several reasons. First, this isn't something isolated to furries. Romances in either online relationships or the young rise and fall like the tide. Combine the two into a couple of 20-year-olds that have convinced each other they've found the person they were meant to be with for all life before they've even met face to face and you have a ready-made recipe for eventual heartbreak.

Second, I've seen these things come and go, both online and among friends and siblings. Furry agnst in chat rooms because this person's life partner ran off with another furry or that person's soulmate dumped them is about as predictable as guessing you'll see a commercial while channel surfing. I've done enough online stuff in my day to see plenty of folks I was familiar with ride a wave new online romance for a few weeks, then crash on the rocky shoreline when the newness wore off. Then you have to listen to them piss and moan for about a week about how they'll never love again and they're better off dead and blah blah blah boo hoo. The other folks in the room try to console them, but they can't and won't be consoled... they're too content to wallow in their self-made misery.

And it's not just furries. Kids and young adults do this in general. Personally I think they create their own drama because they partly think that if they're actually living a well-adjusted life without the kinds of drama they see on TV and in movies, there must be something wrong. You just happen to see it in furry circles because furries are less discriminating about who they find as a "soulmate." Two people liking Evangelion and the GTA series and unagi sushi and desperately not wanting to be alone isn't the basis for a lifetime of commitment.

In this case, though, I had to break my fire and forget policy and take a look. The responses aren't bad.. just a little overblown where they didn't quite get the point of my post.

Jerry Collins · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 548

post vixen,post vixen,sex goddess childe in the mind of a guy that resemblems Dick Nixon

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 658

post vixen,post vixen,sex goddess childe in the mind of a guy that resemblems Dick Nixon

Whoa! You've met Posty?

Wayd Wolf · Vociferator Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 679

I think everything I've gone over this evening clearly illustrates why I'm not around here so much and not at all around furries.

That and I have way more to do than any innocent man should but who said I was innocent.

Mitch, console yourself that though Linux geeks abound in furry, they are still on the whole so much less than script kiddies they can't figure out how to attack you without it coming back to them. Anonymous remote attacks are elementary so these twits are say... kindergarden.

For fun mtr (attacker's IP) in Linux (or the Windows port). In this case, over a dozen hops to their border routers in some cases. An industrial strength ISP has a few IP hops and keeps everything else below the surface on ATM. So SBC is about as cluefull as their customers still I see.

My usual reply to furries invoking my name like some sort of demonic incantation is still in effect. Say it to my face and take the consequences or say it from a distance and look like the fool you are. Nice that furries haven't changed and you can set cesium clocks by them.

I will have to get back to reading when I have more time. Maybe. In the meantime back to work. So many things to do and no time.

Octan · Coadjutor Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 77

I know it's a fools errand to try and convince some 20-something furry that he and his wolfy "soulmate" stand a pretty good chance of ending up in splitsville since they're just hanging around each other for the buttsex and for the sake of not being alone.

And the divorce rate in America is enough to prove that straight couples aren't really all that different either.

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

I know it's a fools errand to try and convince some 20-something furry that he and his wolfy "soulmate" stand a pretty good chance of ending up in splitsville since they're just hanging around each other for the buttsex and for the sake of not being alone.

And the divorce rate in America is enough to prove that straight couples aren't really all that different either.

Okay, so gay and straight couples are doomed to failure. Why don't we all convince scientists to research making human asexual reproduction a reality followed by a move to Utah?

Hey, Octan. How come you don't post more often?

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 625

And the divorce rate in America is enough to prove that straight couples aren't really all that different either.

Current divorce rate is around 50% of total marriages. Among gay furries, we imagine this rate increases to about 95%. Data and/or evidence of straight furry couples is to date unable to provide statistics.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

And the divorce rate in America is enough to prove that straight couples aren't really all that different either.

Current divorce rate is around 50% of total marriages. Among gay furries, we imagine this rate increases to about 95%. Data and/or evidence of straight furry couples is to date unable to provide statistics.

I would find the concept of stability to be pretty foriegn in a community where sharing your partner for yiff is about as common as being overweight and balding. Forever burned into my brain is the British TV show where Wabbit gleefully explained drawings of her husband getting reamed by Ursus were "sexy" or yiffy or whatever.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

I know it's a fools errand to try and convince some 20-something furry that he and his wolfy "soulmate" stand a pretty good chance of ending up in splitsville since they're just hanging around each other for the buttsex and for the sake of not being alone.

And the divorce rate in America is enough to prove that straight couples aren't really all that different either.

You totally missed the point. Most couples, straight or gay, did not meet via a "fandom" where yiff and desperation for attention are major driving forces. Well, what RailFoxen wrote.

Banrai · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 560

You totally missed the point. Most couples, straight or gay, did not meet via a "fandom" where yiff and desperation for attention are major driving forces. Well, what RailFoxen wrote.

When I met my husband the first thing he said to me was 'WAIT. You're Daaa from VCL, right?'

*shrugs* Personally, I thought it was ironic that I would just randomly meet some guy that was not only furry, but also knew my art.

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 262

On topic, it is sad how most furries will accept anything and everyone into their fandom. I had one person try to argue with me that beastuality is ok because the ANIMALS have FEELINGS and all this wacko bullshit. It's people like that, that really fucking scare me...

I had Rotekatze or whatever his dumbshit name is trying to justify why it's ok for him to draw gay furry nazi porn.. I mean seriously, what the fuck.. Nazis? Jesus, and then they bitch about 'fursecution'..... >.>

Edit: Here you go, Nazifurs LJ Community

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

I never could understand an SS fetish. I mean, even if you don't have them you can usually understand most fetishes. How can a person wank to the orchasrators of the Holocaust, though?

If only the knew what the Nazis really did to homosexuals.

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 262

I never could understand an SS fetish. I mean, even if you don't have them you can usually understand most fetishes. How can a person wank to the orchasrators of the Holocaust, though?

If only the knew what the Nazis really did to homosexuals.

I even said that to one of the guys who draws the gay SS furry porn and his basic response was that it's all fantasy for him so it's ok. It's like "Hey, I don't care if the Nazis killed millions of people, blah blah blah" >.>

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

One would be hard pressed to find a more offensive fetish.

Maybe anthro lions eating Christians. Vore and atheism in one go!

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 625

Neo-Nazism as a political gathering confuses me. White supremacists, I can understand. Racists, fascists, hate groups, I can understand. Nazis? They were only a political party with a mission statement revolving around those things. And they died. Leaders executed, politcal machines broken, all offical traces of it were wiped away after the War with methodic precision. So membership in Neo-Nazism is membership in a faction that had its ass handed to it, despite being the greatest nation in the world at its peak.

Either they see this 'persecution of Nazis' as validation of their cause, they like the costumes, or they're just fucking insane. Well, considering furries already feel morally superior because they're persecuted... and they like dressing up... and they're fucking insane... and how many of them don't like pretending there's someone lower in heirarchy than they are?

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 262

Well, I called him a Neo-Nazi but basically it's the same thing as a Nazi except 'new'....

He got pretty offended by that. I laughed.

Iconoclastic · Vociferator Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 338

Oh, come on, now! They're just hot for the uniform. And really confused.... :shock:

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

Well, I called him a Neo-Nazi but basically it's the same thing as a Nazi except 'new'....

He got pretty offended by that. I laughed.

Hmmm... but that token:

I follow the Christian religion, I go to church, I read the Bible, and I believe that some guy named Y'shua who was born 2000 years ago and was crucified happens to be the son of God. But if you call me a Christian, I will be offended.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

Well, anyone saying the Nazi's exterminated homosexuals is off their rocker. Ask any Jew and they'll tell you: Nazi's only exterminated Jews, they were the only victims of the "Holocaust" and it was all about them -anyone else mentioned just distracts from the fact of the forces of evil trying to wipe out God's Chosen People!

EDIT: I don't know if this is the right thread about Nazi's. So I'm just posting to one of the two (or three) threads about Nazi's currently going on.

Iconoclastic · Vociferator Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 338

Given that they're all gay there (even one a babyfur) it's rather silly to take the conversation any further about implied bigotry. They're confused, maybe, but harmless.

Anyway, think of the REAL Nazis they're offending by homosexualizing the symbology. It's the perfect meme revenge.

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 262

Given that they're all gay there (even one a babyfur) it's rather silly to take the conversation any further about implied bigotry. They're confused, maybe, but harmless.

Anyway, think of the REAL Nazis they're offending by homosexualizing the symbology. It's the perfect meme revenge.

Yea true, but it's still annoying to see gay furry porn drawn with all the swatstikas (sp?) and what not. It's not that the fact that they are or aren't bigots, but more on the fact that it's evil. I think that's wrong with a lot of furries, they use the word a lot but I don't think really where on the moral spectrum of things they are...

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 625

After a little more reading and thought.

Nazis actually had reasons for doing what they were doing. (The weakness of Germany after Versailles, reparations to France and Britain, the crash of the German economy, loss of foreign and domestic territory, political weakness of the Weimar Republic and strict limits on military units, leading to a need for paramilitary organizations like the SA.) They saw ethnic cleansing as a step to becoming a powerful nation - the loss of WWI was largely blamed on politicians and special interest groups, too many diverse cultures and races trying to guide one country in too many directions. A cut from Wikipedia, which says it better: "Many historiographers say that the anti-Semitic element, which does not exist in the sister fascism movements in Italy and Spain, was adopted by Hitler to gain popularity for the movement, as Anti-Semitic prejudice was very common among the masses in the German Empire at that time. It is claimed that mass acceptance required anti-Semitism, as well as flattery of the wounded pride of German people after the defeat of WWI." So no one much liked the Jews, as no one here much likes the Mexicans. Rascism was propaganda. The Holocaust was just a bullet point in the Nazi strategy.

The Nazis are all gone now. The reasons for their power have disappeared under the cultural and political tides - Communism is no longer a threat, for example, and the German people are doing well for themselves. The real Nazis have no reason to exist, and thus, don't.

Now, Neo-Nazis focus on the ethnic cleansing. They simply don't like foreigners, but do like hating them and making fantasies about beating them up. They're nothing but white supremacists with swastika-emblazoned banners and have nothing more in common with the real Nazis. Just stupid punks.

Gargoyle · Vociferator Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 455

Guys, a lot of Nazis were gay... Some were blatant queers, like the SA leadership (openly orgying in a hotels!), while some others were trying hard to hide and fight it (like Adolf himself).

Hitler was gay - and killed to hide it, book says

The reasons for their power have disappeared under the cultural and political tides - Communism is no longer a threat, for example

Russians may be fascists now, but you're forgetting the crazy liitle North Korea, and most of all, the greatest nation on the earth (the Chinese). Radical socialism even took another foothold in America, in form of a Hugo Chavez' populist regime, and in Angola they finally won a decades-long civil war.

On the other hand, if you take a look on a websites of Iraqi communists (the Kurds, or Iraqi Communist party), it's a sort of a bizarro country with a commies hailing what the American hippies call "US imperialism".

Now, Neo-Nazis focus on the ethnic cleansing. They simply don't like foreigners, but do like hating them and making fantasies about beating them up. They're nothing but white supremacists with swastika-emblazoned banners and have nothing more in common with the real Nazis. Just stupid punks.

What really puzzles me, are the Russian Soviet-Nazis (not just the ne-Nazis, they have them too). Both the popular, Kremlin-created-lost-countrol Rodina (Motherland) party or the Zhyrinovsky's National Liberals, and the grass-roots, punky National Bolsheviks. They seems to be rabidly against everything, including Germans and their own already quasi-fascist regime, and they are fans not of Hitler, but rather of Stalin... I guess they just like the Nazi symbolica and their openly extreme nationalism ideas.

Just look at www.bolsheviks.org/ and you'll see how confused they are.

Dr. Mojo · Vociferator Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 399

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 262

Communish and fascism both lead to death in the end. The funny part was that Hitler looked up to Staling for ability to purge his own populace so well... just go read up about the Great Purges for an idea.

And yea, I know some Nazis were gay but that still doesn't make the Holocaust okay - and I also remember that the SA was killed off by the SS in the long run of things.

Gargoyle · Vociferator Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 455

Communish and fascism both lead to death in the end. The funny part was that Hitler looked up to Staling for ability to purge his own populace so well... just go read up about the Great Purges for an idea.

And yea, I know some Nazis were gay but that still doesn't make the Holocaust okay - and I also remember that the SA was killed off by the SS in the long run of things.

The purges were not about purging "population", but rather ranks of the Party, Red Army and the Cheka. The sharks were eating each other (along with their families, of course). And in the end, only 2 million or so people died in the purges. Much more notorious were Stalin stunts like a deportations of whole nations, or staging the Great Hunger in the early 30's in which some 8 million Ukrainian peasants died (that is, more than Jews died in Holocaust). And of course the massive GULAG system, from which Nazis copied their pre-1943 KLs (Konzentation Lager).

Most of this was invented by Lenin (and in the Russian Civil War alone more people died than in the WWI, followed by a worst-then hunger in the Russian history, circa 1922). When you read Animal Farm you get an idea Lenin was a good guy, but Blair/Orwell was a socialist idealist and I think he believed in Russian revolution was "hijacked", like when the Stalinists took over the Spanish Republicans he fought for against fascists.

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 262

I agree with you that Lenin was a much better human being, and Stalin was a complete ass. When I add up the people dead in the Great Purges I not only include military/political genocide but also any people who were sent to the Gulags (which was a one-way trip almost all of the time) - I'm glad Lenin gave independence to Finland cause otherwise I would have been born in a crappy, run-down communist totalitarian state. :3

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

I'm glad Lenin gave independence to Finland cause otherwise I would have been born in a crappy, run-down communist totalitarian state. :3

Now just what is wrong with totalitarianism?

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 262

Go to Russia and you'll see what I mean. They're basically reverting slowly back to communism because that country is fucked up still. XD

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

Go to Russia and you'll see what I mean. They're basically reverting slowly back to communism because that country is fucked up still. XD

Russia is many things, but lacking authority never. In general, some central power always seems to control russia, be it czarist, communist or mob. Those people were promised prosperity in capitalism, and never had the infastructure for it.

Sad really, but more Capitalist Russia's fault than a lingering red influence. Also, I don't think Putin is steering them so much towards Communism as just good old fashioned corrupt democracy.

Gargoyle · Vociferator Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 455

Russia is many things, but lacking authority never. In general, some central power always seems to control russia, be it czarist, communist or mob. Those people were promised prosperity in capitalism, and never had the infastructure for it.

Sad really, but more Capitalist Russia's fault than a lingering red influence. Also, I don't think Putin is steering them so much towards Communism as just good old fashioned corrupt democracy.

Colonel Putin is a Mussolini-style fascist, he just uses a Soviet symbolism for a populist reasons (like the people's nostalgia for Stalin).

I agree with you that Lenin was a much better human being, and Stalin was a complete ass.

Lenin was one of a biggest mass murderers in the history, he's just dwarfed by his Kremlin throne succesor.

When I add up the people dead in the Great Purges I not only include military/political genocide but also any people who were sent to the Gulags (which was a one-way trip almost all of the time) - I'm glad Lenin gave independence to Finland cause otherwise I would have been born in a crappy, run-down communist totalitarian state. :3

Lenin gave absolutelly nothing to the Fins, or to anybody. They defeated Bolsheviks in the civil war (led by the ex-czarist Imperial Army officer, Carl Mannerheim), which was also a part of the extended Russian Civil War, and is also called an Independence War.

The Parliament, exercising supreme power in Finland, ratified the declaration of independence and sovereignity in December. The government of Finland, i.e. the Senate, backed by Parliament began to take steps to disarm and expel the troops of the former motherland, Russia, from the country in order to secure independence and freedom of action. The Russian government, on their side, declared war against the "antirevolutionary" troops of the Finnish government. This is how the War of Independence broke out on the 28th of January, 1918.

Aren't you a Scandinavian?

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 262

Well, if I had to choose I would take the lesser of two evils... just look at Bush/Kerry. And yea, I'm Finnish but I'm not well versed in my own country's history (before 1930s era more so) - just what people tell me. I never acknowledge anything as pure truth anyways.

I just remember Lenin signed us away (although this is only from what little I learned from relatives, so it wasn't a history lesson mind you - so I don't mind being wrong, which I was :3), so the bastards didn't bother us until the 1930s. =3 Fucking Russians and Germans. :D

Addendum: And yea, Russia got fucked under capitalism - and also, I think we kinda derailed this thread...

Gargoyle · Vociferator Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 455

I just remember Lenin signed us away (although this is only from what little I learned from relatives, so it wasn't a history lesson mind you - so I don't mind being wrong, which I was :3), so the bastards didn't bother us until the 1930s. =3 Fucking Russians and Germans. :D

Lenin indeed signed a decree "giving independece" to the whole Russian Empire, but in 1918-21 the Red Army invaded all of it, including Finland and Poland. They initially succeded in the re-conquest of the Caucassus, Central Asia, and parts of Ukraine and Belorus into the new empire AKA Soviet Union, with Finland, Poland and Baltic states managing to stay independent (at least until WW2). He and Trotsky also worked hard (and failed) on the "world revolution" , and were actually stopped by us on the way to Germany, and failed in Hungary too.

The Poland invasion of 1919-20 was actually commanded by Stalin, and we whooped his ass so badly he fled in a woman's disguise (he got his revange in '39 when he invaded with Hitler, and in '40 when he exterminated our officer corps in Katyn).

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 262

Yea, we had the Russians try to invade Finland sometime around 1933 (I'm not sure on the actual year, I watched a Finnish movie called Winter War about it) - basically we whooped their asses back then and were pretty much safe until the Nazis/Soviets rushed into our country during WW2.

I still love the Russian 'strategy' of rushing waves and waves of infantry against positions in an effort to overrun the position. It didn't work against my country whose army is much, much smaller than the Red Army back then... and we still won.

But yea.... I'll keep looking for any more funny CYD references that haven't been spotted yet. :)

Gargoyle · Vociferator Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 455

Yea, we had the Russians try to invade Finland sometime around 1933 (I'm not sure on the actual year, I watched a Finnish movie called Winter War about it) - basically we whooped their asses back then and were pretty much safe until the Nazis/Soviets rushed into our country during WW2.

1918, immedietely following WWI, and as a part of the extended Russian Civil War (in which, mind you, more people died than in the Great War AKA World War I), with the Finnish government troops regarded as a "counter-revolutionary" forces by the new Moscow regime, which answered with staging the counter-counter-revolution... But actually it was actually mostly a Finnish civil war (with the communist side supported by Red Russians, and the nationalists supported by Germans).

At the close of the war operations in May 1918, the Soviet Government agreed to negotiate peace with the Finnish government through German mediation. It was not until spring 1920 that the negotiations were reopened, and the Tartu Peace Treaty was signed in October 1920.

For Mannerheim, the war of 1918 was expressly a war of liberation. From his European point of view, the rebellion started by the People’s Delegation was only one instance in the wave of revolutions and anarchy, which spread from Russia and which threatened the independence of Finland. He wanted to preserve the neutrality of the independent country, and regarded German military assistance as a weakening factor, which should be kept within certain limits. He pressed forward with the occupation of Tampere to show that the Finns were able to handle the situation by their own exertions before the arrival of German aid.

In the WW2 Soviet Union attacked Finland in the late 1939 (Winter War), just after a succesful joint German/Soviet invasion of Poland, but this time Nazis stayed largely neutral (as in accordance to the Ribbentrop/Molotov Pact of partitioning Europe). By 1940 half million or so Soviet troops died in the snow in a bloody stalemate and the war was postponed - until 1941, in which Finland sided with Germany in invasion of Russia (Continuational War)... at least until 1944 when they took side of the Allies against retreating Germans, and effectivelly emerged as a victorius side in the WWII (like the Americans, Soviets or, pardon my LOL, the French).

And so the Finland won in the Russian civil war and then pwnd the world in the world war.

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 262

Yea, my uncle has pictures of Nazi warplanes that were stationed in Finland in this history book. XD

I'm surprised you know so much about Finland. O.o

Gargoyle · Vociferator Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 455

Yea, my uncle has pictures of Nazi warplanes that were stationed in Finland in this history book. XD

I'm surprised you know so much about Finland. O.o

You have to respect people who did a things like the Motti to the "Invincible" Peasants/Workers' Army.

The term "Motti" is today a part of the Finnish military slang, and its also sometimes used in everyday language. It means today a surrounded/encircled military unit or a place, where that unit is surrounded/encircled. The term "Motti" has some older meanings in Finnish language, the most widely known is "one cubic meter of firewood".

The term was quick to spread among the troops, and the Soviet soldiers in the motti's were often referred as "mottiryssä" (a rough translation in English would be "Motti-Russki") .

In a quite funny side note, one of a Soviet commanders in the war with Poland was Gay Dmitrievich Gay. He was of course also later purged by Stalin:

On July 3, 1935 he was arrested, accused of "participation in an anti-Soviet terrorist organization" by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR on December 13, 1937 and shot the same day.

Oh, these damn terrorists... Plaguing Mother Russia to this day.

Dr. Dos · Vociferator Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 718

so on a completely unrelated issue:

those furries sure can be dumb!

Iconoclastic · Vociferator Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 338

Wait a minute...did we just have a serious conversation? omg hawt

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

Hey, someone dig up that 'anthro wolf confesses gay love to human comrade while wrapped in Red Communist flag' pic that was posted sometime back, the one where said wolf speaks the memorable line:

"Comrade, I-I think I..."

Interspecies homosexual romance blossoming behind the Iron Curtain? Who says commies ain't all about the looooove!

21st Century Digital Boy · Venter Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 202

The original gay furry nazi sex:

NAME THAT MOVIE!

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

NAME THAT MOVIE!

"The Nine Lives of Fritz the Cat". Yay, cartoon animals having sex! Have we de-derailed the thread now? Sure hope so.

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 262

NAME THAT MOVIE!

"The Nine Lives of Fritz the Cat". Yay, cartoon animals having sex! Have we de-derailed the thread now? Sure hope so.

Wait, I forgot what this thread was supposed to be about....

Iconoclastic · Vociferator Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 338

Wait, I forgot what this thread was supposed to be about....

..we're assholes? :D

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

Wait, I forgot what this thread was supposed to be about....

..we're assholes? :D

You forgot pompous and self-important and dipshits! :P

Iconoclastic · Vociferator Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 338

Eric Schwartz has nothing on Robert Crumb now that I've looked up "Fritz the Cat." I say we yank the spooge crown off of Eric's head and give it to the real master of cartoon perversity.

He was doing incest comics way before the Ultra Right, redneck furry artists of today!

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

Eric Schwartz has nothing on Robert Crumb now that I've looked up "Fritz the Cat." I say we yank the spooge crown off of Eric's head and give it to the real master of cartoon perversity.

He was doing incest comics way before the Ultra Right, redneck furry artists of today!

Yes, but it doesn't matter who did it first, as much as who developed it into it's commonly accepted modern form.

Tis why we call '1234567890' 'Arabic' even though the Arabs stole them from the Indians.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

Someone can't tell the difference between R. Crumb and J. Naylor, oh god :roll:

Crumb may have been overrated, with many fetishes and quirks, and had anthroprmorphic characters, but through some odd twist of irony at least he isn't a shitty furry.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

Eric Schwartz has nothing on Robert Crumb now that I've looked up "Fritz the Cat."

You just looked up Fritz the Cat and found the first 10-pager (horridly re-lettered?!). Goody. Now go read the whole series. Then read everything else Crumb did. No, seriously.

I say we yank the spooge crown off of Eric's head and give it to the real master of cartoon perversity.

He was doing incest comics way before the Ultra Right, redneck furry artists of today!

You've got to be kidding. Crumb is one of the all-time comics author greats and one of the foremost portrayers of the human condition in the second half of the 20th century, a Daumier for our times - and he has superb drawing skills. Schwartz and Naylor are merely two minor fan-servicing perverts (without and with political treatise disease respectively) with passable drawing skills.

Someone can't tell the difference between R. Crumb and J. Naylor, oh god :roll:

Indeed.

Crumb may have been overrated

No.

with many fetishes and quirks

Yes. See above under "portrayer of the human condition" - Crumb's fetishes and quirks relate to human females, not to cartoon animals (or fat guys dressed up as cartoon animals).

and had anthroprmorphic characters

Northing suspicious in that. So do many satirists. Carls Barks, Walt Kelly, Raymond Macherot, Lewis Trondheim etc.

but through some odd twist of irony at least he isn't a shitty furry.

Not irony. Crumb, despite being, in his own word, "untogether", knows how to relate to the real world. Furries don't.

Iconoclastic · Vociferator Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 338

You've got to be kidding. Crumb is one of the all-time comics author greats and one of the foremost portrayers of the human condition in the second half of the 20th century, a Daumier for our times - and he has superb drawing skills. Schwartz and Naylor are merely two minor fan-servicing perverts (without and with political treatise disease respectively) with passable drawing skills.

I was just dipping into some online museums of his expansive portfolio, and I stand corrected :?

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

Heh - Crumb did do a fair deal of cartoon porn in the late 1960s in a deliberate attempt to annoy the counterculture which had taken Crumb's mid-60s, LSD-inspired works to heart. Personally I think his comics from the 70s and 80s are his best. His sketchbooks (which have been published along with his other works) from his whole career are amazing. All highly recommended.

BTW, that Fritz the Cat 10-pager is one of Crumb's earliest works (IIRC, it's from 1963) and it's a bit unfocused... he picks up a lot later on.

Oh and if we have to crown a master of cartoon perversity, I'd nominate S. Clay Wilson.

And at any rate, Schwartz and Naylor will never get a treatment like this.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

Er, I should probably restate that. I meant to say some people may think he's overrated.

I'll admit I'm not too knowledgable about underground comics, and I'm mostly familier with Crumb through the documentary of his life. I caught it on the Sundance channel a few times and eventualy taped it, and whenever I pop it in I have a tendency to sit down and watch the whole thing (which I've done several times).

Otherwise, I'm not too familier with his works outside of the Fritz movies -which I came to find out later weren't really the fruit of his creative energies- so I may be missing out on a lot there. I do think the guy is a genius, and to compare him to furries is a travesty.

Keeping with that idea, to say that because the guy was messed up in some of the same ways furries are that the two are somehow equal perpetuates the myth that furries can be 'normal' because they're messed up like the rest of us.

And yet your world leaders, industry big shots and other truly successful and powerful people can also have those same traits, yet they aren't living in their parent's basement. The same is true for your truly talented artists, the ones who actually create important works.

So what gives?

In fact, furries are furries. I hold out that there is something undefinably weak that makes up the fabric of a furry's character; they will never be successful, never create anything worthwhile or meaningful, and will die useless, unknown and unnoticed by the world.

tomcat · Qualificator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 Posts: 17

Fritz was also satire of the beatnicks. Sure, R. developed that theme to a greater degree in the later Fritz the Cat comics, but if the initial potshot was that a beatnik would sleep with his sister because his two-bit job as a door-to-door salesman didn't already present him with enough opportunities for gratification I'd still call that satire. And even though his work with the Rapidograph wasn't quite up to speed at this stage in his career he's still head and shoulders above most comics (or comix) artists, many of whom he was an inspiration to...

Donotsue · Needs to get out more Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 884

And Crumb likes my kinda music.. And droo the lil pic on the album cover!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000005YQ4/ref=m_art_li_3/002-2123820-9404856?v=glance&s=music