Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Glympse · Rasophore Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 61

As I found in some other thread here, fchan is a site where furries post their favorite sketches, then outdo eachother on how fast, and how many times they can fap to a picture - all before the page is loaded.

When scrounging for fap mater-I mean-paydirt, I happened upon this thread (warning, will probably have some bad sketches, mostly Brian's) where some big bad folks are tormenting BoC about being a pedophile, stealing money, and just about everything else (perhaps raping the kitchen sink).

So, aparrently it's not (only) CYD that seems to delight in this dunderheaded delinquent's demise. Ooh, alliteration.

Why I love fchan:

Is it okay to post the link to the guy being fucked by the horse from /b/?

I'm gonna have to say "no".

Iconoclastic · Vociferator Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 338

Interesting...

When I was doing more "research" there I stumbed across a David Hopkins piece. Is that guy creepy as hell in real life? I'm looking over his work and all I'm seeing is rape, snuff and acute violence.

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

Well the general public in the fandom will need to wait for popular individuals to strike that person down before they descend like a swarm of shit.

Although this may be an effective system for keeping the confirmed baddies out, it's use of groupthink makes it very slow in identifying new threats and harmful perverts.

Computolio · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 865

UHHH

SINCE WHEN WAS BRIAN O' CONNELL FUNNY?

I MEAN THE VAST VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT HIM ARE A. FURRIES AND B. HAVE AN AGENDA (OF REVENGE)

TO SUM: PLEASE CALL ME WHEN HE STARTS SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY ENTERTAINING.

Glympse · Rasophore Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 61

SINCE WHEN WAS BRIAN O' CONNELL FUNNY?

You didn't even try to read it, did you, Duncy? :(

Computolio · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 865

I'm still recovering from when Hirtes/Collins/a few others I'm sure just wailed on him from here and dragged him in. I found it really hard to care after that.

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

I MEAN THE VAST VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT HIM ARE A. FURRIES AND B. HAVE AN AGENDA (OF REVENGE)

This is sadly true. Reading some, I see political opinions and boycotting coming up. So I guess if he was more personable they would look past his pedophilia.

eatenmyeyes · Qualificator Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 26

...David Hopkins...Is that guy creepy as hell in real life?...rape, snuff and acute violence.

I exchanged a few emails with him a few years ago. He seems to be quite friendly, even-tempered, and well adjusted. Jack is actually one of the few web-comics that I can stomach...

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

Can't do it. Nomatter how nice the guy is, the moment he brings children or animals into his porn drawings, he's lost all respectibility. It's the litmus test between furries and the rest of us- they can overlook even the most evil sexual hideousness as long as the person is a "good" (In furry terms) artist and defends teh Fandumb.

Goofy · Vociferator Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 311

Wow. So, that's how 'yiff' got introduced to furry. Well, looks like you do learn something completely ridiculous every day.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

Can't do it. Nomatter how nice the guy is, the moment he brings children or animals into his porn drawings, he's lost all respectibility.

True, but did the guy in question do that?

Also, aren't animals by definition omnipresent in furry art? Or do you mean drawn porn of an anthro animal doing the nasty with a non-anthro animal? I don't think I've ever seen that (and no, I don't want to, either).

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

True, but did the guy in question do that?

Also, aren't animals by definition omnipresent in furry art? Or do you mean drawn porn of an anthro animal doing the nasty with a non-anthro animal? I don't think I've ever seen that (and no, I don't want to, either).

True, I think I may have crossed my points here. Furry art, as it stands, is anthropmorphics. In essence, they're beings that do not exist- humanoids with animal characteristics and behaviors. While I don't understand it, I can't really condemn it. If a person thinks drawings of furry women with tails is hawt, there you go. Whatever. But when you're dealing with children in this scenario you're taking it a step further. And let's face it, if you're drawing it, you're thinking it. And normal people do not even toy with such ideas. I think you can extrapolate the same point for zoophiles- and by that, I'm talking about humans with animal-animals. Animals, much like children, having zero intellectual choice in such matters. Beyond that, snuff, rape, etc could fall into the same group. By most definitions normal people don't get turned on by snuff, so if you have an interest, if you represent it, I immediately have to look at this person and say "Hmmmm...why is this bouncing around in your head?"

I guess I'm simply the antithesis of the common fursuitter "we're all okay as long as you're a fur" opinion. While they will accept any extreme non-consensual pornography, I don't give them an inch of respect when it comes to that.

As to whether the guy did any of the things he represented in art- I don't know. Although I tend to side with the school of thought that when dealing with the self-same non-consensual acts, representation is almost as bad as the reality, because it encourages and furthers the reality for likeminded pervs. I suppose it's a matter of intent, but wow, it's a legal and constitutional tightrope for sure. It's a slippery slope- Is child pornography so evil it falls below simple freedom of speech? Is a video game that simulates child molestation, snuff, etc as illegal as doing the real thing? Is making lewd overtures to a minor in a chatroom an enforcable offense?

My answer is yes to all of those. The quick answer is yes. But oftentimes the how is, for me, a resounding "I have no fucking idea".

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

Can't do it. Nomatter how nice the guy is, the moment he brings children or animals into his porn drawings, he's lost all respectibility.

True, but did the guy in question do that?

Also, aren't animals by definition omnipresent in furry art? Or do you mean drawn porn of an anthro animal doing the nasty with a non-anthro animal? I don't think I've ever seen that (and no, I don't want to, either).

I've seen artwork of anthro-animals going at it with non-anthro-animals. That really doesn't bother me that much because well... they're both animals, one just happens to be more anthro than the other. However despite the fact that it leaves zoophile subtext, perhaps I've seen too much stuff on the Internet to be bothered by it anymore.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

MonicaKitty, I agree with all of your points there... also the ones where it's hard to find a definite answer and we just have to agree on not really knowing what to think.

As to whether the guy did any of the things he represented in art- I don't know.

By "did the guy in question do that?" I didn't mean "is he lusting after children", but "did he draw porn with children"?

I mean, I think you wrote this (to which I agree):

the moment he brings children or animals into his porn drawings, he's lost all respectibility

... on the basis of this post:

...David Hopkins...Is that guy creepy as hell in real life?...rape, snuff and acute violence.

I exchanged a few emails with him a few years ago. He seems to be quite friendly, even-tempered, and well adjusted. Jack is actually one of the few web-comics that I can stomach...

To my knowledge Hopkins hasn't made any porn featuring children or "real" animals. I've read his webcomic Jack, and it does indeed contain fair doses of "rape and acute violence". But there's a big difference between making rape & violence porn and making a story that just happens to contain rape & violence as part of the plot. AFAIK Hopkins is only doing the latter, and I'd be loath to accuse a guy of being a sick fuck just because of a piece of fiction. Let's only bash those who deserve bashing...

Iconoclastic · Vociferator Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 338

I was basing my impression on his VCL archive. I haven't read the comic, but I agree: I can find more appropriate things to bash.

The New Meat · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 933

I'm still recovering from when Hirtes/Collins/a few others I'm sure just wailed on him from here and dragged him in. I found it really hard to care after that.

Your capslock key is broken, Compy. Please rectify this immediately.

Jerry Collins · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 548

Awwww,Brian acted like himself and got banned(any of us here really surprised?)

Michael Hirtes · Needs to get out more Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 820

Awwww,Brian acted like himself and got banned(any of us here really surprised?)

I'm certainly not surprised when I made my postings there, and all Brian & one of his suckups (can you say "sockpuppet"?) thought that simply saying "harem Hirtes" was all that was needed to distract things from the fact that Brian O'Connell is a nutcase and a con artist.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

Awwww,Brian acted like himself and got banned(any of us here really surprised?)

I'm certainly not surprised when I made my postings there, and all Brian & one of his suckups (can you say "sockpuppet"?) thought that simply saying "harem Hirtes" was all that was needed to distract things from the fact that Brian O'Connell is a nutcase and a con artist.

It's still been in the back of my mind, the drawing of harem kitties. I want to draw them for you...

Harem kitties... mmmmm :P

EDIT: I'm good for it, if you are willing. PM details plz :P

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

Anyone else see the beauty in the two meanings of 'con artist'?

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 183

The only thing I know for sure about Brian O'Connell comes from this: I crashed in a hotel room at CF8(I think) and someone let BOC stay there one night.

When morning came, that fucker got up at the ass crack of dawn and started talking REALLY LOUDLY and making a ton of racket. I wanted to murder him.

Dogthing · Vociferator Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 700

I wanted to murder him.

AND YOU DIDN'T?!

Glympse · Rasophore Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 61

AND YOU DIDN'T?!

Would you want the ghost of cheezypoofs following you around? I DIDN'T THINK SO!

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

I wanted to murder him.

Think of all the sanity you could have saved!

Chris Baird · Prattler Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 140

Awwww,Brian acted like himself and got banned(any of us here really surprised?)

He was certainly attempting to use fchan as an avenue to convince a fresh source of idiots of how cool and worthy-of-their-money he was. The Non-retarded fchan users saw right through it...

Michael Hirtes · Needs to get out more Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 820

Awwww,Brian acted like himself and got banned(any of us here really surprised?)

He was certainly attempting to use fchan as an avenue to convince a fresh source of idiots of how cool and worthy-of-their-money he was. The Non-retarded fchan users saw right through it...

Love how he thought the idea of using the nick of "Spooky Doom" would make him look all cooly goth Jhonen Vasquez like. BOC is about as goth as Cheech & Chong.

If he tried to come up with a new art style (like Shon Howell seems to do every 18 months or so), then maybe he might have had a chance on fooling the goobers.