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Stoneth
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Posted: 6/13/2005 4:59:29 PM     Post subject: The New Loonatics...  

Remember this thread where we first met the reimagined Looney Tunes in the form of an "X-Treme" superhero show called Loonatics slated to air on Kids WB?

You might also recall news that WB heard the public outcry and announced that they would revamp the character designs but still intended to put it out.

Well the new designs are here. What do the new Loonatics look like? Well not much different from the old ones only now they have irises in their eyes and new names. "Duck" is now "Danger Duck", "Slick" is now "Tech E. Coyote", "Roadster" is now "Rev Runner", "Lexi Bunny" is still "Lexi Bunny", "Spaz" is now "Spaz B. Wilde", and "Buzz Bunny" (the one whose name also turned out to be the name of a sex toy) is now "Ace Bunny".

Oh and, Another New Bunny.
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Posted: 6/13/2005 5:01:48 PM     Post subject:  

wow now they just look creepy.
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Posted: 6/13/2005 5:05:15 PM     Post subject:  

GONTERMANIA STRIKES KIDS WB!
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Posted: 6/13/2005 5:40:11 PM     Post subject:  

I'm going to go to bed and pretend this isn't happening.
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Posted: 6/13/2005 6:44:23 PM     Post subject:  

Kids WB seems to be missing the point.
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Posted: 6/13/2005 7:02:46 PM     Post subject:  

They're just very, very determined to get this loonatics thing going. IT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT PROSPECT, DON'T YOU THINK?! I mean, the kids love this Japanimation stuff!!
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Posted: 6/13/2005 7:21:52 PM     Post subject:  

Did megaman put up a garage sale or what...
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Posted: 6/13/2005 8:14:50 PM     Post subject:  

Is it bad that I liked the harder edge version of it? Specially Taz. He looked like he would kick ass.
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Posted: 6/13/2005 8:20:23 PM     Post subject:  

These new versions look like they would solve thier problems through negotiation and peace. Kids dont go for that.
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Posted: 6/13/2005 8:44:37 PM     Post subject:  

THIS IS NOT REAL


i don't think.

Look at this: http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/index.jsp?epi-content=PUBLIC_IMAGE_VIEW&newsId=20050606005953&newsLang=en&contentItemId=1264214

Notice that the coloring is pretty shitty (it goes out of the lines (see: Buzz's right ear, the lefthand side of his face) as well the linework is really shoddy (see Buzz's foot, where the lines aren't smooth at all...)) And plus the characters don't look grounded to where they're standing.

Plus, 'Danger Duck'? Isn't that an already trademarked character...?
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Posted: 6/13/2005 10:49:20 PM     Post subject: Re: The New Loonatics...  

"Buzz Bunny"

That's the name of my vibrator, indeed.
ANYWAYS.
This is yet another fragment of my childhood being raped.
That new artwork Banrai posted is ugly as sin. At least the old character designs had a bit of funkiness to them...the new ones look like shit.
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Posted: 6/13/2005 11:47:14 PM     Post subject:  

I'm going to go to bed and pretend this isn't happening.
That pretty much sums up how I feel about this.
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Posted: 6/14/2005 12:31:01 AM     Post subject:  

WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO MY CHILDHOOD!?

Why must they rape it?

Onna these days, marketing..

I'LL GET YOU!
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Posted: 6/14/2005 1:42:38 AM     Post subject:  

It might not be real. But it was thrown together really fast.
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Posted: 6/14/2005 3:11:58 AM     Post subject:  

Yeah, I sincerely hope it's fanart.
Either way, the human-like mouth on the female creature is horrible.
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Posted: 6/14/2005 3:44:34 AM     Post subject:  

Considering where the image originated from, I sincerely doubt this is mere fanart. It's quite obvious that this was scanned from an ink and colored directly in Photoshop as opposed to using a resizable vector format such one created in Illustrator. We notice this only because the ultra high rez version is available. Most companies don't do that when displaying clip or promotional art.

Either way, it's clear that this was thrown together rather quickly, but so was the original Loonatics promotional art if you think about it. I find it funny that the series is being renamed "Loonatics Unleashed" when they're clearly going for a somewhat less menacing (albeit horrid pseudo-anime) look.

What it boils down to is that the WB simply doesn't care about their properties or what "new" content they produce. For awhile when shows like Animaniacs and Freakazoid were on it seemed like they genuinely cared about their creations and their originality. Even The Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries had some merrit in that fact that the characters remained intact.

To me, this image is Kids WB giving us the finger.
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Posted: 6/14/2005 4:23:40 AM     Post subject: Missing an important cast member  

Well, its seems fair.

But what about an "Ewil Vilwain" for the show?
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Posted: 6/14/2005 4:54:48 AM     Post subject: Re: The New Loonatics...  

"Buzz Bunny"

That's the name of my vibrator, indeed.


That's why they're changing the name from "Buzz Bunny" to "Ace Bunny". I read somewhere that the makers of the "Buzz Bunny" vibrator were going to lawsuite WB if they went ahead with "Buzz Bunny".

http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=19604

Plus, there's the connection between a kids' show and a sex toy that wouldn't sit well with parents. Pretty good idea to change it.

On the cartoon itself, I'll just echo everyone's comments and say no matter how much Warner Brothers fiddle with the character design or change the names, the cartoon is still going to be a PIECE OF SHIT.
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Posted: 6/14/2005 6:26:04 AM     Post subject: Re: The New Loonatics...  

"Buzz Bunny"

That's the name of my vibrator, indeed.


That's why they're changing the name from "Buzz Bunny" to "Ace Bunny". I read somewhere that the makers of the "Buzz Bunny" vibrator were going to lawsuite WB if they went ahead with "Buzz Bunny".

http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=19604

Plus, there's the connection between a kids' show and a sex toy that wouldn't sit well with parents. Pretty good idea to change it.

On the cartoon itself, I'll just echo everyone's comments and say no matter how much Warner Brothers fiddle with the character design or change the names, the cartoon is still going to be a PIECE OF SHIT.

The Buzz Bunny drama was the best part of this show. Now, without the controversy, it's going to be another
X-TrEmE SUPER 3DGY ACTION PACKED ADVENTURE RAHHH
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Posted: 6/14/2005 7:06:56 AM     Post subject:  

It's looking like Teen Titans with fur.
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Posted: 6/14/2005 9:56:43 AM     Post subject:  

I think i'm gonna be sick...

Plus considering warner bros doesn't ever really hire new artists or animators cuz they've already got the best in the industry, i can't see that pic from the OP being real. It looks like something from the vcl
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Posted: 6/14/2005 5:21:17 PM     Post subject:  

It's looking like Teen Titans with fur.


Shhhhhhh... you might wake up EbonyLeopard. :lol:
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Posted: 6/14/2005 6:36:29 PM     Post subject:  

Taking an american classic and smearing with the whole anime fad seems perverse. (not that previous spin offs to this were that much better).

It looks like something from the vcl


It's looking like Teen Titans with fur.


Yeah it does,
Leave it to these companies ruin thier own properties.

Also Teen Titans, I really do like it - mainly for its writing and action/fighting sequences are done really well - my biggest problem is that anime styling they use constantly, whatever you want to call it.

Unfortunatly for the producers of the show, by doing that they've immediatly made the show highly dated. Its going to be forgotten as soon as its over. They've also restricted the shows audience. Some of the story arcs in the show are pretty interesting actually, and I like following it - but jesus... i hate having that obnoxious anime-inspired humor rubbed in my face every 2 minutes in some episodes. Its use is so awkward sometimes it comes across that they wrote some scenes around the fact that it was time, once again, for a giant anime tear drop, or those whited out eyes, or whatever-the-fuck else. Its like they were storyboarding the goddamn thing with an eggtimer in the room. I can't even figure out why they would bother other than they are trying to cash in on a demographic they barely understand. Or hell, maybe they understand it very well, I think Teen Titans is pretty popular - i guess they are selling action figures and stuff now.

Its not a japanese cartoon, but better throw lots of anime stuff in it... have some J-Pop playing over the title and ending credits too -- otherwise the growing anime/japan freak demographic isnt even going to watch it. What a sad state of affairs.


Just for the record, I think the opening title and music for Teen Titans is excellent. Those japanese "punk" rock girls, Puffi Ami Yumi Hi Hi, (whatever) I dunno where they came from, but they did a good job with it.
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Posted: 6/14/2005 7:23:16 PM     Post subject: Re: Missing an important cast member  

Well, its seems fair.

But what about an "Ewil Vilwain" for the show?


Look, I know it goes with your username and stuff, but uh your "talking like elmer fudd" gimmick is seriously geting annoying. Knock it off.
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Posted: 6/14/2005 8:44:19 PM     Post subject:  


Either way, the human-like mouth on the female creature is horrible.


At least there's no big pouty lips with lipstick on them... those only work for comedy like in "bugy in drag" as they look bizarre on toons or anthros.

*supresses urge to rant about supposedly sexy furry pinups drawings completely ruined by drawing weird lips on females*
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Posted: 6/14/2005 8:45:13 PM     Post subject:  

compy is my hero.
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Posted: 6/14/2005 9:08:02 PM     Post subject: Re: Missing an important cast member  

Well, its seems fair.

But what about an "Ewil Vilwain" for the show?


Lok, I know it goes with your username and stuff, but uh your "talking like elmer fudd" gimmick is seriously geting annoying. Knock it off.



Just be glad he's not signing his posts.
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Posted: 6/14/2005 11:50:32 PM     Post subject:  

wow now they just look creepy.

seconded


omg soulraep

It's not like this is the first time someone takes something old and awesome, polishes it up and turns it into crap. Whats the big deal?


Just be glad he's not signing his posts.

Or start them with "heya". :P
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Posted: 6/15/2005 8:21:54 PM     Post subject:  

The image is an obvious fake.
Looks like it was drawn by a random untalented sonic fanartist on DevArt.

But the shitty design could be dead on with what we have to expect.
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Posted: 6/16/2005 6:43:42 PM     Post subject:  

A somewhat different opinion about the topic from a webcomic.
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Posted: 6/16/2005 8:58:38 PM     Post subject:  

He's kind of missing the point there. Bugs stopped being funny not because the character became static, but because they started writing these cartoons strictly for children. The conceit that cartoons were strictly kiddie fare only came later. The goofy slapstick in the original Looney Tunes wasn't anything that was out of line with the Three Stooges or the Marx Brothers, which also were intended for adults. When writers decided that children are stupid and that everything has to be dumbed down for them, that's when Bugs Bunny - and cartoons in general - stopped being funny.
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Posted: 6/17/2005 1:05:03 PM     Post subject:  

He's kind of missing the point there. Bugs stopped being funny not because the character became static, but because they started writing these cartoons strictly for children. The conceit that cartoons were strictly kiddie fare only came later. The goofy slapstick in the original Looney Tunes wasn't anything that was out of line with the Three Stooges or the Marx Brothers, which also were intended for adults. When writers decided that children are stupid and that everything has to be dumbed down for them, that's when Bugs Bunny - and cartoons in general - stopped being funny.

The classic Bugs Bunny cartoons actually were never dumbed down - Warner Bros. stopped making them in 1964. They were made for theatrical release along with Warner's often adult-oriented feature films, and as you point out thus were never intended for children in the first place. The conceit that cartoons per se are for children came with TV animation, by and large starting with Hanna-Barbera's first TV cartoon productions in 1957, and getting dumber and crappier ever since. Warner Bros. didn't enter the field of TV cartoon until decades after closing down their original cartoon unit.
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Posted: 6/18/2005 8:12:14 PM     Post subject:  

During the depression, one of the only industries that still thrived was the cartoon industry, because ADULTS would go to the movies to laugh there asses off at the animated cartoon that preceded the acctual movie to take there minds off there empty stomachs and ugly wives that couldn't afford makeup anymore.
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Posted: 6/19/2005 11:22:17 AM     Post subject:  

From the Loonatics press release:
Ace Bunny (descendant of Bugs Bunny), voiced by Charlie Schlatter, the adroit and quick-witted, action-driven leader who galvanizes his crew for each mission, boasting infrared laser-lock vision and marital arts ingenuity.


:)

Edit: What makes it truly hilarious is that all kinds of news pages have copied and pasted from that press release - without any of them correcting that typo. Or maybe Ace Bunny really is a master of the marital arts!?
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Posted: 6/19/2005 11:39:35 AM     Post subject:  

From the Loonatics press release:
Ace Bunny (descendant of Bugs Bunny), voiced by Charlie Schlatter, the adroit and quick-witted, action-driven leader who galvanizes his crew for each mission, boasting infrared laser-lock vision and marital arts ingenuity.


:)
Man, does this go to bad to worse. :b
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Posted: 6/19/2005 2:01:11 PM     Post subject:  

Teenage mutant ninja turtles nananana Teenage mutant ninja turtles nanana... no.
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Posted: 6/19/2005 7:57:34 PM     Post subject:  

Woohoo. My first post. I feel so special.

Or maybe Ace Bunny really is a master of the marital arts!?


That would probably be better than what's actually produced. The whole, "So bad, it becomes surrealistically entertaining."

Take one part 4Kids mangling, one part recycling, one part pseudoamerianime (or whatever you want to call it), and blend in committee-designed poseuring (Posing? Poseuring? Posturing? There should be an actual word there).

Bad, you say? Fox execs daring fandumb to try to make slash, you say? Worse than Schumacher's Batman movies, you say? Now add in Dr. Phil!

*Laser lock on*
So... What's up, doc?
*Targeting*
Your evil schemes are going to go down the drains, Mr. Fuddinator!
*Engaging dialogue*
How does that make you feel, Mrs. Fuddinator? You want to be supportive, but he spends all his time plotting?

Not even Bugs's Thanksgiving Special could top this! Fox should pay me to come up with this stuff. No, wait, they shouldn't.
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Posted: 6/19/2005 11:41:14 PM     Post subject:  

That'd be worth watching. I want to see "Ace Bunny" healing wounded marriages through therapy!
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Posted: 6/20/2005 12:09:07 AM     Post subject:  

From the Loonatics press release:
Ace Bunny (descendant of Bugs Bunny), voiced by Charlie Schlatter, the adroit and quick-witted, action-driven leader who galvanizes his crew for each mission, boasting infrared laser-lock vision and marital arts ingenuity.

:)
Edit: What makes it truly hilarious is that all kinds of news pages have copied and pasted from that press release - without any of them correcting that typo. Or maybe Ace Bunny really is a master of the marital arts!?


I don't see skill in verbal battling over leaving the toilet seat up, remembering which frigging birth stone is hers, or figuring out how to short sheet her side of the bed right under her nose while she's helping you make it to be all that entertaining.

Unless you're a fan of Family Guy.
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Posted: 6/20/2005 2:23:00 AM     Post subject:  

That'd be worth watching. I want to see "Ace Bunny" healing wounded marriages through therapy!


Insert your own joke using the terms "Buzz Bunny" and "Marital Aid" here.

Seriously, that sounds like it's right up Cartoon Network's alley. Put "Loonatic Counselors Unleashed" along with Sealab 202, Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law and Space Ghost: Coast to Coast.
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Posted: 6/20/2005 4:31:29 AM     Post subject:  

That'd be worth watching. I want to see "Ace Bunny" healing wounded marriages through therapy!


Insert your own joke using the terms "Buzz Bunny" and "Marital Aid" here.

Seriously, that sounds like it's right up Cartoon Network's alley. Put "Loonatic Counselors Unleashed" along with Sealab 202, Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law and Space Ghost: Coast to Coast.

And add a lot of violence and anime-ish humor. That'd make it fit for Adult Swim.
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Posted: 6/20/2005 8:23:01 AM     Post subject:  

That'd be worth watching. I want to see "Ace Bunny" healing wounded marriages through therapy!


Insert your own joke using the terms "Buzz Bunny" and "Marital Aid" here.

Seriously, that sounds like it's right up Cartoon Network's alley. Put "Loonatic Counselors Unleashed" along with Sealab 202, Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law and Space Ghost: Coast to Coast.

And add a lot of violence and anime-ish humor. That'd make it fit for Adult Swim.


I figured that'd be done already while they have Astro-Boy's limbs. But it's like it writes itself to be spoofed. It's akin to B movies coming out while MST3K was about and begging to have Joel, Tom, and Crow comment.

Back on the 'Too shoddily colored to be a real image' subthread, I have to wonder the difficulty of somehow convincing Businesswire of a new press release, where those wacky folks at WB have remade their remake again, with the characters looking even more like bad Sonic fanart or whatever.

Alas, it's one of those experiments that should never be done. When internet pranks affect real-world news, things get freaky.

Edit: It's too late for me, if I'm typing betting instead of begging. Also: Nested quotes are fun.
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Posted: 6/20/2005 7:20:46 PM     Post subject:  

Yeah, but dont you think ultimately it will be the viewers that decide what happens with the cartoon? Look at what happened with Pok'emon, Digimon, and Power-rangers. Started a big blitz of TV ads for products meant to empty parents wallets.
Its going to happen wheather we want it to or not.

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Posted: 6/20/2005 8:13:55 PM     Post subject:  

The thing is, kids will watch anything. I realized this after re-watching my beloved Voltron and Silverhawks on Cartoon Network and realizing just how awful they actually were. The objection comes from parents who ultimately have to sit and watch this rubbish with their kids (I'm broadly assuming there are a few parents who still do this). I doubt parents would object as much to the mass marketing blitz of Pokemon, if the show wasn't so vapid. I'd rather my kids demand a Tickle-Me Elmo than a talking Pikachu doll.
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Posted: 6/20/2005 9:13:16 PM     Post subject:  

The thing is, kids will watch anything. I realized this after re-watching my beloved Voltron and Silverhawks on Cartoon Network and realizing just how awful they actually were. The objection comes from parents who ultimately have to sit and watch this rubbish with their kids (I'm broadly assuming there are a few parents who still do this). I doubt parents would object as much to the mass marketing blitz of Pokemon, if the show wasn't so vapid. I'd rather my kids demand a Tickle-Me Elmo than a talking Pikachu doll.


Even more so, things are devolving. Compare Mr. Rogers of the 80s with Barney. Actually, compare Sesame Street then with Sesame Street now.

It took me years to get the ref in "Danger's No Stranger"
Or mention Sherman in Savannah


Would Elmo's world or whatever dreck that Sesame Street now is make a reference that only parents would get? Even more so, one that's rather dark humor?
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Posted: 6/24/2005 2:37:23 AM     Post subject:  

No because Elmo lives in sunshine land and there is no hate and pain in sunshine land HAPPYHAPPYHAPPY!!!!!!
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Posted: 6/25/2005 7:21:22 AM     Post subject:  

Todays' post was brought to you by the letter "E", and the letter "U".

Mastertran wrote:
there is no hate and pain in sunshine land


No hate or pain? Would be a nice world for any of us to live in right now.



As for what Elmo can do, heres an idea of his connections; both with Kofi Anin and the European Union. Pretty fast work for carpet sewn puppet with foam eyeballs.

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=palestinian+sesame+street/v=2/SID=w/l=IVR/SIG=12v6dqno6/EXP=1119769749/*-http%3A//www.deutschewelle.de/english/0%2C3367%2C1441_A_1006824_1_A%2C00.html

I can't see the kids WB show do anything of this size even with japanese stying and the Kung foo.
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Posted: 6/25/2005 2:04:08 PM     Post subject:  

Is that purple thing holding a needle?
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Posted: 6/25/2005 5:37:09 PM     Post subject:  

It's the reanimator.
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Posted: 6/25/2005 6:10:03 PM     Post subject:  

Had a feeling the picture with the syringe would raise questions.
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Posted: 6/26/2005 2:43:13 AM     Post subject:  

Todays' post was brought to you by the letter "E", and the letter "U".

As for what Elmo can do, heres an idea of his connections; both with Kofi Anin and the European Union. Pretty fast work for carpet sewn puppet with foam eyeballs.

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=palestinian+sesame+street/v=2/SID=w/l=IVR/SIG=12v6dqno6/EXP=1119769749/*-http%3A//www.deutschewelle.de/english/0%2C3367%2C1441_A_1006824_1_A%2C00.html

I can't see the kids WB show do anything of this size even with japanese stying and the Kung foo.


Sadly, I don't see this heading to the US anytime soon. But it does warm my heart.

Back, back, way back in high school, our history teacher was telling the class of when he saw the first episode of Sesame Street. It's something that our modern US version is lacking, chutzpah, in that the show was banned from many public schools because they portrayed interracial friendships.

That Sesame Street could be as subversive as to bring the civil rights movement to kids is all kinds of awesome.
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Posted: 6/26/2005 2:47:42 AM     Post subject:  

Sesame Street has always been an innovative show. It doesn't get the credit it deserves. It boggles my mind how much commericaliziation surrounds the show, considering its general philosophy.
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:52:17 AM     Post subject:  

All the Sesame Street commercialism is probably just to prop the show up. I get the impression that funding for public broadcasting isn't what it used to be.
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Posted: 6/26/2005 4:36:43 AM     Post subject: *eyes burst*  

I think my Inner Child just commited suicide...

I grew up watching those Looney Tunes re-runs on CartoonNetwork...

They don't air those anymore.

I like Bugs Bunny. Though his cross dressing did kind of confuse me.

I only ask, why the hell couldnt they just come up with new characters to do this tripe. WHy do they have to use the "Pimped Out" corpses of animation legends to cash out on.

My inner child is starting to stink up the caverns in my head... ill be back after I hose him out.
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Posted: 6/27/2005 7:31:06 PM     Post subject: Re: *eyes burst*  

I think my Inner Child just commited suicide...

I grew up watching those Looney Tunes re-runs on CartoonNetwork...

They don't air those anymore.

You know what else they don't air on Cartoon Network anymore? Speedy Gonzales.
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Posted: 6/27/2005 7:58:47 PM     Post subject:  

PC destroys everything it touches.
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Posted: 6/27/2005 10:22:05 PM     Post subject:  

PC destroys everything it touches.
Yep. It sure does. "I'll kill you" gets turned into "I'll destroy you" and cigarettes get turned into suckers.


I'd like to take the opportunity to demonstrate how to NOT break the tables when posting a long link.

<.url=www.google.com>TEXT GOES HERE.<./url> Minus the extra periods, of course. It SHOULD look like this. Or, of course you could use those convenient little buttons above the area where you type your post. It's that simple. I'm done bitching now. :?
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Posted: 7/2/2005 2:00:01 AM     Post subject: Re: *eyes burst*  

I think my Inner Child just commited suicide...

I grew up watching those Looney Tunes re-runs on CartoonNetwork...

They don't air those anymore.

You know what else they don't air on Cartoon Network anymore? Speedy Gonzales.



Offensive ethnic stereotype??? God damnit!!!
I'm hispanic and I love that fast rodent.

Some people... some damn people...

"The same people that see the Taco Bell chihuaha and say, "Hey I donn like that dog! It represents ME!!!" How retarded do you have to be..."
-Carlos Mencia-
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Posted: 7/2/2005 2:06:33 AM     Post subject:  

Thats bullshit, common Mexican stereotypes is that they are all lazy and sleep all the time, Speedy Gonzales was working his hardest to break the racial barriers by showing the world that they shouldnt live by the Lazy Mexican stereotype. I salute that mouse and the work he has done.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 2:10:41 AM     Post subject:  

Damn right, that mouse could make it from Tabasco to Piedras Negras in 2 seconds flat.

Yes there is a city called Tabasco.
No, they dont make the hot sauce there.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 9:38:26 AM     Post subject:  

Look how the money people manage to renew a tired concept.
Look how they amaze us all with their dazzling creative skills.
Look at all the cool shows they've made, such as unforgettables as "She-Ra", "Gargoyles", "Thundercats" and other pearls of artistic glitter.
See the money men dance, see them hop, see them run.
Observe them bring joy to countless households.
Look how they bend themselves out of shape to ensure the animation is top notch.

*sigh*
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Posted: 7/3/2005 3:35:51 PM     Post subject:  

The joke about the mexican stereotype in Speedy Gonzales cartoons is that
it is to far away from reality.
What living mexican could ever identify with those mice ?
And who says other people are as easily offended as americans ?
I am german and I don't mind all the lederhosen stereotypes and the wartime cartoons.
Found a "banned cartoon" on torrent with Reichsmarschall Goebbels and Bugs Bunny.and wondered why it is banned.
Because it made fun of Goebbels ? Eh ?
They should show some wartime cartoons again.
Political correctness can go to heck.
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Posted: 7/6/2005 5:46:31 AM     Post subject:  

The thing I don't get is that they always go by the same arguments time and time again you know "children get the stereotype in their heads at an early age and that effects them." First of all arn't we giving kids a bit to much credit. I mean five year olds in general really are not smart I don't think when they look at good ole' Speedy they think racist thoughts.
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Posted: 7/6/2005 7:00:57 AM     Post subject:  

The joke about the mexican stereotype in Speedy Gonzales cartoons is that
it is to far away from reality.
What living mexican could ever identify with those mice ?
And who says other people are as easily offended as americans ?
I am german and I don't mind all the lederhosen stereotypes and the wartime cartoons.
Found a "banned cartoon" on torrent with Reichsmarschall Goebbels and Bugs Bunny.and wondered why it is banned.
Because it made fun of Goebbels ? Eh ?
They should show some wartime cartoons again.
Political correctness can go to heck.


I can really only give examples I've experienced in my own life - but when I was growing up I watched a lot of Tom & Jerry, with the black mammy character.

What a lot of people miss is that, even if these things were blatantly racist charactures (to a degree) -- it is completely impossible for children to pick up on it. It is, by defintion, too abstract a concept. That sort of thing really has to be explicitly taught. I can try as hard as I want, when I think back to mammy (or whatever her name was) smacking Tom with a broom, I just figured it was her house. I didn't think of her as some black slave or servant... gee, probably because my lower middle class household didn't have servants of any kind. That's even more to the point, I didn't even pick up on that concept, they showed no other human character in the home. Old cartoons (or anything, really) are going to occassionaly reflect old ideas, Ive never seen the point in these PC edits. Not that Im really against political-correctness, if not only because the arguement against it is overwhelmingly used as cover for the (racial,political) majority to whine and criticize (and demonize) various issues (...Yes, it is.)

I grew up in a home where my grandfather's only word for any black person was "nigger". Oddly enough, believe it or not, completely not a racist. He often didn't use the word in any type of derogatory context at all. He was born and raised in the deep south and moved up north after WWII for the job market. In fact he dropped out of school in 5th grade, ran away from home, and never talked to his parents again after being severely disciplined by his father for hanging out with, and getting into some minor trouble with some black kids. Thats just the way it was. I have the feeling that not too many people get to experience, vicariously, that sort of dialectic (if you want to call it that)
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Posted: 7/6/2005 8:44:18 AM     Post subject:  

The joke about the mexican stereotype in Speedy Gonzales cartoons is that
it is to far away from reality.
What living mexican could ever identify with those mice ?
And who says other people are as easily offended as americans ?
I am german and I don't mind all the lederhosen stereotypes and the wartime cartoons.
Found a "banned cartoon" on torrent with Reichsmarschall Goebbels and Bugs Bunny.and wondered why it is banned.
Because it made fun of Goebbels ? Eh ?
They should show some wartime cartoons again.
Political correctness can go to heck.


I'm not a huge fan of disney but if you haven't seen Hitlers Face, (possibly Der Fuhrer Face) it's brilliant (possibly won best animated short oscar), probably the best wartime cartoon. Tex averys were awesome too
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Posted: 7/7/2005 11:32:14 PM     Post subject:  

The joke about the mexican stereotype in Speedy Gonzales cartoons is that
it is to far away from reality.
What living mexican could ever identify with those mice ?
And who says other people are as easily offended as americans ?
I am german and I don't mind all the lederhosen stereotypes and the wartime cartoons.
Found a "banned cartoon" on torrent with Reichsmarschall Goebbels and Bugs Bunny.and wondered why it is banned.
Because it made fun of Goebbels ? Eh ?
They should show some wartime cartoons again.
Political correctness can go to heck.


I'm not a huge fan of disney but if you haven't seen Hitlers Face, (possibly Der Fuhrer Face) it's brilliant (possibly won best animated short oscar), probably the best wartime cartoon. Tex averys were awesome too


I think they are labeled as "banned" because channels like Cartoon Network and such won't show them or someone just labeled them so for reaseons unknown. Atleast Disney has released their propaganda shorts on DVD.

Der Fuehrer's Face is hilarious, mostly because of the song in it. :)
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Posted: 8/9/2005 3:13:31 AM     Post subject:  

Ok, reviving an old topic here, bear with me...
That old pic that was posted we all thought was fanart?
It's not.
I saw a print ad for 'Loonatics Unleashed' as it's called now, and, it does indeed look exactly like the shitty 'fanart'
It's amazingly depressing. Especially how they added 'Unleashed' to the name to make it more OMG EXTREME!
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Posted: 8/9/2005 11:16:20 AM     Post subject:  

The joke about the mexican stereotype in Speedy Gonzales cartoons is that
it is to far away from reality.
What living mexican could ever identify with those mice ?
And who says other people are as easily offended as americans ?
I am german and I don't mind all the lederhosen stereotypes and the wartime cartoons.
Found a "banned cartoon" on torrent with Reichsmarschall Goebbels and Bugs Bunny.and wondered why it is banned.
Because it made fun of Goebbels ? Eh ?
They should show some wartime cartoons again.
Political correctness can go to heck.


I think you are talking about Goering, who is been mocked by Bugs Bunny in "Hare meets Herr" WB propaganda cartoon.
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Posted: 8/15/2005 3:12:12 PM     Post subject:  

Hmmmm..Maybe it's(Herr meets Hare) a little too truthful,that ,or the caricature of Goering looks too much like Rush Limbaugh...(and if you beleive that..I have some terrific bridgefront property to sell near Manhatten. :wink: )As to the original point of this thread..I said it once,I'll say it again..It will be costly,it will anger fans old and new,its crap,and the suits at warners will wonder why they don't have their cushy job anymore...mark my words....heads will roll!
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Posted: 8/21/2005 10:47:26 PM     Post subject:  

Just this week I was watching the Animal Planet program, ANIMAL ICONS: Animated Animals and one of the Voice Artists made an interesting point about this.

Everytime Bugs Bunny and his gang were reinvented nothing about them was changed except their relevance to today in their satire.

Just wondering if anyone ever got to see this, looked through the thread and didnt find it already posted, a friend of mine e-mailed me the link...

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/243842
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Posted: 8/22/2005 2:04:20 AM     Post subject:  

Just wondering if anyone ever got to see this, looked through the thread and didnt find it already posted, a friend of mine e-mailed me the link...

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/243842

Not good at reading the very first post in the thread now are we?
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Posted: 8/22/2005 6:58:57 PM     Post subject:  

Let me say this again,simply;New Loonatics=crap=angry fans=suit with NO MORE JOBS!...now,how hard is that?
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Posted: 8/23/2005 7:11:59 AM     Post subject:  

Let me say this again,simply;New Loonatics=crap=angry fans=suit with NO MORE JOBS!...now,how hard is that?


Studio execs probably aren't even aware that fans exist, and if they did, they couldn't care less.

The Loonatics are aimed along the lines at a 4-9 year old demographic on Cartoon Network to sell nine minutes of advertising on a thirty minute timeslot and a toy line for the christmas season.

The fact that some aging fans who are nostalgic for the old Loony Tunes are pissed isn't even a blip on the radar.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 2:11:34 PM     Post subject:  

Let me say this again,simply;New Loonatics=crap=angry fans=suit with NO MORE JOBS!...now,how hard is that?


Studio execs probably aren't even aware that fans exist, and if they did, they couldn't care less.

The Loonatics are aimed along the lines at a 4-9 year old demographic on Cartoon Network to sell nine minutes of advertising on a thirty minute timeslot and a toy line for the christmas season.

The fact that some aging fans who are nostalgic for the old Loony Tunes are pissed isn't even a blip on the radar.


That is the sad truth about TV animation since it's beginning.
But it should not keep them from doing something better when it takes near to no effort.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 7:45:15 PM     Post subject:  

:D :D :D AMEN!AMEN!AMEN! :D :D :D
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Posted: 8/23/2005 8:03:16 PM     Post subject:  

To tell the truth, nobody gives a shit about adults who watch children's cartoons. And frankly, they shouldn't.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 10:25:48 PM     Post subject:  

To tell the truth, nobody gives a shit about adults who watch children's cartoons. And frankly, they shouldn't.


Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
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Posted: 8/23/2005 11:30:47 PM     Post subject:  

To tell the truth, nobody gives a shit about adults who watch children's cartoons. And frankly, they shouldn't.

Yeah, but somebody in charge ought to give a shit about children who watch children's cartoons. There's no need to feed children crap; and as Beauty of Nature said, it takes very little effort to do something better.
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Posted: 8/24/2005 1:31:12 AM     Post subject:  

Yeah, but somebody in charge ought to give a shit about children who watch children's cartoons. There's no need to feed children crap; and as Beauty of Nature said, it takes very little effort to do something better.


exactly. There were plenty of cartoons I watched as a kid that bored the shit out of me (but I watched them anyway) and they still bore me. And the stuff I liked as a kid I still like it today for the most part.

Think of how parents recently have been complaining about how mindless the shows that are on for thier kids. Like how Barney the dinosaur or the teletubbies got on a lot of parents nerves. Why underestimate your audience and dumb things down till there's nothing left?
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Posted: 9/28/2005 3:56:20 PM     Post subject: Ewww  

Well, I had to see it for myself....And it was crap!Ninja Turtles lite or recycled Road Rovers...either way,a 25 minute toy commercial...Way to go suits :roll:
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Posted: 9/29/2005 4:04:13 PM     Post subject: Re: Ewww  

Well, I had to see it for myself....And it was crap!Ninja Turtles lite or recycled Road Rovers...either way,a 25 minute toy commercial...Way to go suits :roll:

I don't recieve KidsWB down here so I get to stay in ignorant bliss regarding this show. Yay!
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Posted: 9/29/2005 4:55:45 PM     Post subject:  

Think of how parents recently have been complaining about how mindless the shows that are on for thier kids. Like how Barney the dinosaur or the teletubbies got on a lot of parents nerves. Why underestimate your audience and dumb things down till there's nothing left?


That's why I like Mustard Pancakes. It talks to children on their level rather than down to them.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:46:43 PM     Post subject:  

Slaitila hit the nail on the head(Well done Sirrah!)
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Posted: 10/6/2005 8:27:03 PM     Post subject:  

To tell the truth, nobody gives a shit about adults who watch children's cartoons. And frankly, they shouldn't.


Given that characters like Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse have their roots in entertaining adults in cinemas whilst they waited between news reels and features I'd still love to see some of the classic characters brought back with an up to date cynical edge for a modern auience, but that isn't going to happen as adults simply aren't where the money is anymore.

Animation hasn't always been for children. That association has only really come up in the past three decades or so, if I remember rightly, when people realised that kids were loving the slapstick humour of the older cartoons. Then came the legislation to remove the adult references as these cartoons were now, somehow, for kids only to enjoy.
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Posted: 10/6/2005 9:48:57 PM     Post subject:  

To tell the truth, nobody gives a shit about adults who watch children's cartoons. And frankly, they shouldn't.


Given that characters like Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse have their roots in entertaining adults in cinemas whilst they waited between news reels and features I'd still love to see some of the classic characters brought back with an up to date cynical edge for a modern auience, but that isn't going to happen as adults simply aren't where the money is anymore.

Animation hasn't always been for children. That association has only really come up in the past three decades or so, if I remember rightly, when people realised that kids were loving the slapstick humour of the older cartoons. Then came the legislation to remove the adult references as these cartoons were now, somehow, for kids only to enjoy.


Bugs bunny yes, I never really saw much in the way of cleverly disguised humor targeted at adults in mickey mouse though.

The older Warner Brothers cartoons were very smart, They had just the right balance to entertain both children and adults.
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Posted: 10/6/2005 9:56:16 PM     Post subject:  


Animation hasn't always been for children. That association has only really come up in the past three decades or so, if I remember rightly, when people realised that kids were loving the slapstick humour of the older cartoons. Then came the legislation to remove the adult references as these cartoons were now, somehow, for kids only to enjoy.


Actually, the origins of the infantilization of cartoons started in 1934, under Hollywood's "Productions Code", although they'd establish definitely in the late 50s, when TV Sunday Morning Shows" began its expansion.

While cartoons were clearly not yet exclusively children's entertainment, there was little doubt that a large proportion of their audience was under the age of twelve... Leon Schlesinger, the producer of the Warner Brothers cartoons, was quoted as believing that since many cartoon viewers are children, cartoon producers are morally obligated to serve the children's interests.
(...)
The purpose of the Code was to officially enforce several Hollywood rules ignored by various studios since at least 1930. The Code was created to avoid official government censorship and to appease the growing criticism of motion pictures as immoral entertainment.

To silence (Hollywood's) critics, the Code conceded to many of their demands. Homosexuality, interracial romance, drug and alcohol abuse, abortion, and nudity were all prohibited. Couples could not be shown as sharing the same bed. Not only were the "Seven Dirty Words" that George Carlin would later joke about prohibited, but so were many others. Violence was toned down. More importantly, no story could appear in which evil and good were confused. Any evil character had to be concocted so there could be no audience sympathy for him, and the evil character must be punished by the end of the film.
This explains why so many movies continue with this formula even today.
(...)
The Code had some fine results, albeit indirectly. (...) Classic novels such as Wuthering Heights and The Wizard of Oz were filmed along with Shakespearean plays in an attempt to show how cultured Hollywood could be (!). (...) The gangster films became morality plays in which the mob boss was transformed into a parable of the American Dream gone awry.
(...)
The Production Code of 1934 forcibly changed the Betty Boop character, and her new form was saccharine sweet. While the Boop never reached the sauciness that Tex Avery's Red and Who Framed Roger Rabbit's Jessica Rabbit would do later, she was clearly an offender under the new rules. Her sexy teases contained too much promise. Betty's hemlines were lowered to reveal only her calves, and instead of playing dance hall characters, she was typecast as a schoolmarmy maiden aunt. She was paired with a series of cute animal and children, all of whom seemed to be based on a simplification of the Disney formula. (...) The Fleischer cartoons made under the Betty Boop header were attempts to please the Production Code by aping the Disney style.

Betty's last cartoons for Fleischer were completed in 1939 and from that point on, the Boop vanished from newly produced cartoons. Max and Dave Fleischer had long since refocused their energies into series that the Production Code would find less troublesome. Popeye may have been violent. Nevertheless, the Sailor Man didn't drink or talk suggestively and his girlfriend was unlikely to inspire erotic feelings in moviegoers.
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Posted: 10/6/2005 9:57:58 PM     Post subject:  

True enough, but I do remember Donald Duck commiting various acts of GBH which always greatly amused me.
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Posted: 10/7/2005 2:39:05 AM     Post subject:  

True enough, but I do remember Donald Duck commiting various acts of GBH which always greatly amused me.

Well, Donald Duck is just generally batshit insane.
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Posted: 10/7/2005 4:12:32 AM     Post subject:  

Nevertheless, the Sailor Man didn't drink or talk suggestively and his girlfriend was unlikely to inspire erotic feelings in moviegoers.




Was she ever likely to?
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Posted: 10/7/2005 6:01:32 PM     Post subject:  

Looks to me like Loonatics is to Looney Tunes what "20X6" is to Homestar Runner, except that it's not satire.

Gad, can you just imagine Disney trying to pull something like that. :shock:
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Posted: 10/12/2005 4:03:47 PM     Post subject:  

Jah help me,but ,yes I can see the suits at Disney doing the same bloody nonsense....bottom line:the suits win ,and the fans(old and young)are screwed!...but didn't we expect that?
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Posted: 10/12/2005 7:03:52 PM     Post subject:  

Please. Let the old threads die in peace. Let them live out their lives and fade into obscurity, and new, younger topics come to light. Won't anyone think of the children threads?

Jah help me,but ,yes I can see the suits at Disney doing the same bloody nonsense....bottom line:the suits win ,and the fans(old and young)are screwed!...but didn't we expect that?


Now we'll have to think up some nightmare situation. It'll need one of the more common characters. But warped for demographics. Like Huey, Dewey, and Louie, only teenagers with the appropriate committee-made faux 'cool' look. Also throw in 3 ducks to serve as love interests into them.

Then, since this is the NEW Disney, it will all have to be 3D rendered, with the look reminiscent of Kingdom Hearts. Only with higher detail, which means they look like animated blobs of plastic.

You realize, of course, that there probably is something like that lurking in the direct to video market.
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Posted: 10/12/2005 7:27:21 PM     Post subject:  



The new Taleban-Smurfs!
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Posted: 10/12/2005 7:56:04 PM     Post subject:  

You realize, of course, that there probably is something like that lurking in the direct to video market.

As a matter of fact, yes there is.
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Posted: 10/13/2005 4:22:48 AM     Post subject:  

http://www.avalanche.speedlinq.nl/Game/Pict/rambo.gif

The new Taleban-Smurfs!


That UNICEF thing rocks. Effective and gets the point across.

You realize, of course, that there probably is something like that lurking in the direct to video market.

As a matter of fact, yes there is.


Oh, yes, I already knew of it, but they didn't make the triplets into teenagers, or the other atrocities I mentioned. But then again, they have Max Goof, so they didn't need another.
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Donotsue
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Posted: 10/13/2005 4:36:29 AM     Post subject:  

Teenagers nothing.. they are bubble headed stoner aliens now! =)



Quack Pack!
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Captain Cowgirl
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Posted: 10/13/2005 6:53:54 AM     Post subject:  

Teenagers nothing.. they are bubble headed stoner aliens now! =)



Oh, I REMEMBER that show! I always pitied Donald throughout the whole thing...I remember some furry dude I knew used to draw pics of Daisy getting it on with Huey, Duey, and Louie...I think Joe Randel has a few of the sort, as well.
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Monkey King
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Posted: 10/13/2005 2:23:49 PM     Post subject:  


Oh, I REMEMBER that show! I always pitied Donald throughout the whole thing...I remember some furry dude I knew used to draw pics of Daisy getting it on with Huey, Duey, and Louie...I think Joe Randel has a few of the sort, as well.

You'd think it would be a no-brainer to have Donald shagging Daisy BUT NO. She has to do the nephews. Nobody ever draws smut or writes dirty fanficiton of logical pairings.
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Posted: 10/14/2005 2:17:11 AM     Post subject:  

LOLZ porn of people who love each other enough to have sex instead of nasty-ass incest?!

Monkey king, you just don't get it, do you...

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Jerry Collins
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Posted: 10/18/2005 7:37:39 PM     Post subject:  

And so it goes....
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u63r
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Posted: 12/8/2005 4:55:55 AM     Post subject:  

GONTERMANIA STRIKES KIDS WB!
Who is this Gonterman? I keep hearing his name bought up.

Personally, I think the show is passable at best. Not like, oh, Ed, Edd, and Eddy.
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stinkweedskunk
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Posted: 12/8/2005 4:59:52 AM     Post subject:  

GONTERMANIA STRIKES KIDS WB!
Who is this Gonterman? I keep hearing his name bought up.

Personally, I think the show is passable at best. Not like, oh, Ed, Edd, and Eddy.


Learn how to use the "search" feature, or Google. I made the mistake of reviving a dead thread when I joined too. Just letting you know.
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Monkey King
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Posted: 12/8/2005 9:24:05 AM     Post subject:  

The difference being you only did it once, where as I keep seeing that 63 avatar over and over in dead threads. Would it kill you to just stick to current threads, u63r? These things slide to the bottom because there's nothing more to be said.
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