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LaughCo · Recusant Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 13

Who's up for the inaugural Morphicon? :)

http://www.morphicon.org/index.html

Natenate · Recusant Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 19

Looks like they're getting off to *ahem* a good start.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Schwartz and Merlino, GUESTS OF HONOR at a FURRY CON?!
That's just like making chocolate chips the guests of honor
in a chocolate chip cookie!

Jerry Collins · Coadjutor Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 162

Damnation of Faust!(and like wise darn!)and me without an army of ninjas,a mecha squad,or even a bunch of drunk orcs!Lets hope that Asskkkroft and the feds mistake them for a terrorist group and do a Waco Texas special on the both of those wastes of flesh!(we can only dream!) man ,I hppe the hotel/convention centers have a lot of shamans and exoricists to purge that poor place.(Jerry)

Nightweaver · Recusant Joined: 20 Feb 2004 Posts: 9

But I've been personally offended by ES. I was at AC '99, walked up to his table to say "hi", and never even got so much as a nod. However, when I offered to buy something from him, he all but fell all over himself to serve me. What can I say, I was young and idealistic. Yes, this is Nightweaver. Yes, of Ozy and Millie porn "fame." I hope I don't ever run into him again. He made me sad. The kind of sad that only a punch in the gut can achieve.

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

But I've been personally offended by ES. I was at AC '99, walked up to his table to say "hi", and never even got so much as a nod. However, when I offered to buy something from him, he all but fell all over himself to serve me. What can I say, I was young and idealistic. Yes, this is Nightweaver. Yes, of Ozy and Millie porn "fame." I hope I don't ever run into him again. He made me sad. The kind of sad that only a punch in the gut can achieve.

I have a question: If you're going to draw webcomic-inspired furry porn, why not annoy Schwartz to no end by spamming the intarweb with horrifyng Sabrina porn and other violations of his character guidelines? It's not like he doesn't deserve it.

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

I have a question: If you're going to draw webcomic-inspired furry porn, why not annoy Schwartz to no end by spamming the intarweb with horrifyng Sabrina porn and other violations of his character guidelines? It's not like he doesn't deserve it.

You mean like (PROBABLY NWS) this guy? No idea what he's up to now, but when I stumbled upon his Oekaki, he was drawing Amy with a big dick and Tabatha masturbating. If you think that picture attributed to Donotsue; this was much worse... all airbrush tool, too. :?

Nightweaver · Recusant Joined: 20 Feb 2004 Posts: 9

I have a question: If you're going to draw webcomic-inspired furry porn, why not annoy Schwartz to no end by spamming the intarweb with horrifyng Sabrina porn and other violations of his character guidelines? It's not like he doesn't deserve it.

I might just do that. In fact, I had Sabrina lined up in my sights last month when I had decided that furry needed a good ass-whooping. If it weren't for the fact that people like him might genuinely have the wherewithall to sue me for slander, I'd do it openly, and post the results everywhere. Not to mention the fact that my web provider has already gotten on my case about that issue. One more violation and I won't have a personal website anymore.

But hey, at least I'm not in Haiti.

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

I might just do that.

... I thought you 'Learned your lesson'.

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

If it weren't for the fact that people like him might genuinely have the wherewithall to sue me for slander, I'd do it openly, and post the results everywhere. Not to mention the fact that my web provider has already gotten on my case about that issue. One more violation and I won't have a personal website anymore.

Your host sucks.
Oh, and he won't sue you. When it comes to furries, despite all the huffing and puffing, the odds of then actually filing a lawsuit are nil (read the New Meat's front page article, seriously). Sure, they'll bombard your provider with whining until they're blue in the face, but they don't have a legal leg to stand on. Your host, if they have any sense, will just delete their emails and go about their business.

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

I might just do that. In fact, I had Sabrina lined up in my sights last month when I had decided that furry needed a good ass-whooping. If it weren't for the fact that people like him might genuinely have the wherewithall to sue me for slander, I'd do it openly, and post the results everywhere. Not to mention the fact that my web provider has already gotten on my case about that issue. One more violation and I won't have a personal website anymore.

But hey, at least I'm not in Haiti.

In all seriousness, I sincerely doubt Schwartz even HAS the money for a lawyer. Get a less catty host, use a variety of psuedonyms, and generally use his own tactics against him. I can't make any guarantees, other than the furries WILL try to strike back, and they WILL be intimidating and vicious at first. (The key words here are "at first".)

As far as we know, the biggest risk you run is having furtards (or if you manage to piss him off as much as Priest22 did, Schwartz himself) call your ISP with a sob/tattle story. There are risks, but they are fairly close to nonexistant. Hell if all else fails, you can post stuff to USNET binary groups where almost no power on earth can touch it.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Regarding the legal system and lawyers and furs suing, it's only because of the mega-incompetence of most of them that they don't get anywhere.

First, you need to file a letter of notice regarding the infractions, signed and notarized, preferably served to them with a signature on receipt through the USPS.

Second, you need to show that you may have been caused financial and/or emotional damage by the violation of your rights.

Third, you need a lawyer.

Fourth, the standard of evidence is not "beyond a reasonable doubt" but rather "preponderance of the evidence". That means 50.000001% chance that you were wronged. All you need is a jury to see it that way. Most civil juries will these days.

If the artist in question makes any portion of their income off of their work and the infraction removed from them monies rightfully theirs, they might be able to show financial damages. The "pain and suffering" aspect is a little harder to show other than through theatrics in court.

The first bit on the plaintiff's side is the provable piracy at the time it was found. The second bit is the ISP/host's refusal to remove the offending material after duly notified of the infraction.

The simplest method for any artist to get taken seriously is to pay a retainer to a lawyer every year, someone small, they need not be a powerhouse for the Fortune 500 crowd, and have them document the infractions and send the threatening letters. Action usually follows pretty quickly when an actual law office sends notice on their letterhead.

Fortunately for the already severely overclogged legal system, furries don't tend to think logically or rationally regarding business, ethics, and so on. If they did, they'd do better. But when people whose work is barely kindergardener refrigerator quality are whining, then you've got just pure silliness.

I know the example I'm giving isn't exactly beloved, but artwork on the level of Steve Martin would be something that you could sue over and expect to win should they ignore the demand letter and keep on doing it. 95% of furry doesn't come anywhere near that skill level. Partly due to furry being an accretion disc for pathetic self-created losers and partly because the former is driving those of real skill away from it. So we're left with whining instead of entertaining legal battles.

Pity.

custer · Recusant Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 1

Oh, and he won't sue you. When it comes to furries, despite all the huffing and puffing, the odds of then actually filing a lawsuit are nil (read the New Meat's front page article, seriously).

In 16 years, I've probably heard of hundreds of threatened lawsuits, and I know of only one that was ever filed, and it was dropped before it got to court without a settlement. And I've been watching, having been the target of a few threatened suits myself (though not related to art theft)

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Lawsuits in furry aren't completly unheard of, but a coart that takes any fur seriously, is too far ahead of its time....... crap must be drunk again

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

Lawsuits in furry aren't completly unheard of, but a coart that takes any fur seriously, is too far ahead of its time....... crap must be drunk again

No. A court that take furries seriously isn't ahead of it's time. Because no court will EVER take furries seriously.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

No. A court that take furries seriously isn't ahead of it's time. Because no court will EVER take furries seriously.

And AMEN to that, but what I meant by ahead of it's time is the fact that goverments are becoming tolerent of almost everything now, and a court is often forced to acnolage certian minorities, so a court which finds it nessiary to take furs seriously is ahead of this trend and thus ahead of its time.....

Excuse me while I take so asperine @_x

(Sorry about the spelling, english is a second language to me)

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

and a court is often forced to acnolage certian minorities

Furries are not a minority, nor should they be treated as such. In any case, regardless of whether somebody is a member of a minority group or not, scribbling over someone's pictures doesn't exactly qualify as a "hate crime". (despite what some of the more insane furries out there might claim)

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Most furries are insane.

Not some, most.

Jerry Collins · Coadjutor Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 162

MOus3-D;well said,well spoken

Jerry Collins · Coadjutor Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 162

Sorry,That should beMOus3-Zero,uh...welcome toC.Y.D. I'll...just go away now...heh, :oops: heh...hooo boyee...

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

M0us3_Zero. Blowing minds of Furs, Funny Animal Artists, and Mundanes alike. ~.^

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

"Morphicon will not tolerate any discrimination (behavior which disadvantages people) or vilification* (public acts that encourage or incite people to ridicule or have contempt for others) based on any of the following, real or supposed: disability, sex, gender, gender identity, race, ethnicity, color, age**, nationality/citizenship, sexual orientation, ethnic/national origin, faith, creed, language, cultural background, or lifestyle; or on any other undisruptive core traits of a person, or any combination thereof."

They got themselves pretty well covered. I'm surprised they didn't go all out and put stuff like species identity and such.

"Morphicon does not allow mature subject matter to be displayed in areas where either minors, or adults who do not wish to see it, may be exposed to it. This includes explicit artwork, but also includes overtly mature discussions and excessive displays of public affection (no public tongue-battling or groping of naughty bits, please).

You mean I can't walk around the hotel lobby dressed in my Minerva Mink "parody" costume with the strap-on horse dildo? INTOLERANT NAZIS!

Like most anthropomorphics conventions, we try to maintain a delicate balance between acceptance of lifestyle choices and public discretion.

Well, you at least get points for knowing the phrase public discretion exists.

We expect that all attendees will conduct themselves appropriately in the hotel's public areas, just as they would in any other business or restaurant.

Wait.. I thought you were trying to assert that I CAN'T walk around in my Minerva Mink fursuit with the strap-on. Make up your minds!

Dealers and artists are also expected to keep a close eye on any mature subject matter they intend to sell at the convention. Dealers selling any mature content must sell or expose mature content only to attendees with adult badges who express desire to examine mature content. Dealers selling mature imagery must keep the imagery in a clearly-marked and closed binder, and use discretion to allow the images to be viewed only by individual customers with adult badges who expressly choose to view it. When not in use, the binder must be kept closed. Even when open, stickers or covers should be used at all times to hide any parts of the display item which may be considered mature imagery. Dealers selling mature imagery should provide a bag or sleeve for the image so that the buyer can easily hide the image from public view.

That'll last... what... 5 minutes on opening day?

Beyond these policies, we do not take formal stances on social or political issues, as our goal is to serve what is a very diverse group of individuals.

Don't forget perverse.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

So, by this "code of conduct", anything illegal, as long as it's shielded from underage eyes, is allowable at the convention?

So, if I, let's say, whipped out a bong full of Marijuana, it's perfectly alright with con staff if I smoked it? After all, being a stoner is a lifestyle. Even if the stuff I'd be smoking was illegal.

(Of course, I have not smoked anyhting in my life, I was using that as an example.)

Don't hotels have rules against illegal activity in their hotel?

I mean, I know that Zoophilia is illegal in pretty much every state in the union. And they protect the "rights" of such perverts to feed their perversion?

I tell you, those are some sick puppies.