Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Michael Hirtes · Needs to get out more Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 820

Yes kiddies. Shon Howell's not getting enough huzzahs and praises to his glory, so he's calling it quits (gee, how original). His latest brainfart comes courtesy of his recently established Fur Afinnity site (where he went after he got banninated from Sheezy).:

http://furaffinity.net/user.php?name=kingcheetah

Goodbye, Good riddance...
Journal entry: February 14th, 2005 01:25 AM
It was, as they say the straw that broke the camel's back. A little something happened this weekend that most probably spelled the end to my days of working in professional comics. Despite what most people think, working in the comics isn't much different that most other nine to five deathmarches, and has with it the same silly assed crap that you get at a regular job. But after a while you get less and less inclined to put up with it. And now, something's finally happened that's brought all of this in sharp focus for me. I'm sick of being broke, I'm sick of broken promises, I'm sick of being treated like shit, and I'm sick of two-faced liars bad-mouthing me behind my back. It would be one thing if there was some kind of payoff for all this abuse, but there isn't. Hell, I got more posetive feedback and encouragement in writing fanfic for a two months than I got for working ten years in comics (and furry fandom hasn't treated me much better). I dunno, maybe I'll calm down, or perhaps something'll come along to lure me back. Who knows. Never say never. But as it stands now, I'm ready to waste my time on something else... Late.

Note the part about him being lured back. A real telltale sign that this is all just histrionics by him. Kind of like a B.O.C. with a few more brain cells.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

Drama queen indeed, and an inept one, too. Either he needs to actually tell exactly who did what to him, or he needs to shut up.

It was, as they say the straw that broke the camel's back. A little something happened this weekend that most probably spelled the end to my days of working in professional comics.

Excuse my ignorance, but which professional comics have Howell done? A google search for his name only coughs up stuff that seems to fall within the "fan art" category?

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Howell's stuff was stagnant pretty soon out of the gate. When I first discovered his work, I enjoyed a few pieces, but the more I saw, the more it was evident that it was pretty much all the same stuff. The fact that many of his pictures were blatantly recycled images with a few changes (not that he tried to pass them off as original, but that they were simply the same character and same pose with different accessories and such) didn't help how his stuff pretty much looked all the same. Looking at his VCL archive, you can see he has a fairly limited set of stock poses. All but one or two of the images are nothing more than the character floating on the page, and even then almost all characters are cut off at the legs. It's like the guy is afraid to draw anything below the kneecaps.

Not to say he's bad, he's just not great. With his limited range of material, I'd be surprised he's managed to go at it for 10 years were it not for the fact that only in furrydom can you make a career out of half-drawn harem kitties and Stith bondage. He wouldn't last a year in real "professional comics."

It'll be interesting to see how long he has a go at the real world before he comes slinking back.

Excuse my ignorance, but which professional comics have Howell done? A google search for his name only coughs up stuff that seems to fall within the "fan art" category?

I seem to recall he had a piece in one of the early Genus comics, but that's the only thing I've seen from him besides his half-finished pin-up work. And, while Genus and the like of furry comics are techincally professional in that people draw, edit, publish, and sell them, I consider "professional" furry comics to be as close to pro comics as being in a softball league is to playing for major league baseball.

Michael Hirtes · Needs to get out more Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 820

Latest entry from Shon:

Goodbye, Good riddance... clarification
Journal entry: February 14th, 2005 10:58 AM
Thanks for all the comments and e-mail, but let me make something clear. I'm not leaving FA, I'm not going to quit drawing. We're just talking about my job in professional comics. I'm actually having more fun in FA than I've had in fandom for years. ^__^

Woah! Even O'Connell waited a week or two before sneaking back in.

Now, I'm curious what it was that spelled his demise in "professional comics". Did Ben Dunn or Elin Winkler finally get tired of running his single images? Was (GASP!) he actually asked to send in something better than his usual "let me see what I can pull out of my ass" fare?

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

Ah OK. I misunderstood Howell's little rant, there. So he drew a few pin-ups for a professional comics publisher, but he was never himself in the profession of, i.e. making a living from, drawing comics.

And ZenZhu's critique of Howell's drawing talent is spot-on. It's a bit sad in a way, because Howell does have a very charming style IMO. Too bad he hasn't developed it beyond variations of a few stock poses; he could very well get real paying work in comics if he could draw, you know, all manners of characters and backgrounds and shit in that style of his. But alas, the all-too-typical furry laziness and getting stuck in producing wank material for Furbid seemingly got to him. I guess that's what annoys me slightly about all the almost-but-not-quite-there talents in furrydumb: all the potential that never comes into being. But heck, that's their decision.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

... almost-but-not-quite-there talents in furrydumb: all the potential that never comes into being. But heck, that's their decision.

I have to disagree. Howell's "Is it a bird, is it a spec, when it's underwater, does it get wet?" drawings are even less than O'Connell's craptacular "All looks the same" shit. I hate to say it, but He's no Momma Bliss. Just as crappy-sketchy, but without even that much time put into it. Three minutes after I saw my first Shon Howell, I wanted to never see another one. I already knew what I'd be seeing - the same fucking three strokes. Wooowoo.

We now return you to this thread derailment, already in progress.

Computolio · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 865

Who cares? We should know by now how often furries say GOODBYE TO ALL MY INTERNET FRIENDS FOREVER, and this really shouldn't come as anything of a shock.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

GOODBYE TO ALL MY INTERNET FRIENDS. FOREvER AND EvER AND EvER AND EvER...

...what? No... Wait. No. I was just going to the store. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

BeanBall · Apocrisiary Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 45

I'M LEAVING THIS BOARD FOREVER

Oh wait, no, I'm just getting up to take leak ;)

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Too bad he hasn't developed it beyond variations of a few stock poses; he could very well get real paying work in comics if he could draw, you know, all manners of characters and backgrounds and shit in that style of his. But alas, the all-too-typical furry laziness and getting stuck in producing wank material for Furbid seemingly got to him. I guess that's what annoys me slightly about all the almost-but-not-quite-there talents in furrydumb: all the potential that never comes into being. But heck, that's their decision.

From what I remember of the one comic I saw by Howell, he could do it. My memory of it is fuzzy (it was one of the very early Genus comics way back when), but I'm not sure he didn't collaborate... so there's no telling if he did the backgrounds, even. I could even be mistaking the comic with one Brian Sutton did, since the two made their styles fairly homogeneous after a while.

His style isn't bad, even though I don't particularly care for anorexic, seemingly teenage catgirls in recycled poses cut off at the knees (ankles... too hard.... to.... draw..... must, pull up to..... safe zone!). But, it's not good, either. His range of what he can draw is basically limited to his doe-eyed catgirls and a couple of things that are vaguely canine and remotely equine. And when he does venture away from catgirls, his capacity to render something different goes downhill quickly, even among the semi-equines and canids. His few attempts at dragons look more like grotesques on the terrace of some gothic cathedral. I seriously doubt his capacity to render an even remotely attractive-looking rhinocerous girl or something challenging like that.

Like some of the other furry "big names," you can see he has potential, but never developed it much beyond wank material. With his current style, if he had developed his ability to draw more than stock poses and branched out into frame layout and more action, he could have worked up to a style that would have allowed him to do comics based on Warner Brothers' current action style.. the vaguely animeish Bruce Timm stuff you see in Teen Titans. But, even if he could draw more than skinny catgirls with big boobs, his style is still a little too sloppy... not enough tightness in the linework and anatomy.

Like Paul said.. if it works for them, great. If they're happy with having latent talent, but not really developing it any farther than what will get them immediate results, good for them. If they can make enough at it to fund their chosen lifestyle comfortably (i.e., 30K a year takes care of all of their needs and wants in a way that they're happy with), huzzah. But, if Howell's throwing a shit fit about furrydumb and his niche within "professional" comics, something apparently isn't working out for him. Maybe it's an interpersonal thing. Maybe someone told him he needed to branch out into backgrounds if he wanted to keep doing what he was doing.. who knows.

While we're on it, I notice Howell, like a few other furry artists, deem themselves "anime" artists. Uhm... get over yerself. Rumiko Takahashi is anime. Hayao Miyazaki is anime. You are anime-ish.... a cheap imitation of the original made in Singapore. It takes a lot more than big-eyed characters flashing the peace sign to make you anime. If you didn't grow up in the culture and understand all of the little things that go into anime and manga, all you can ever really do is just parrot what you see.

Conversely, a person who grew up in Japan could never really successfully produce a comic like Steve Canyon or do something with the "feel" of a Stan Lee comic... because there's so much of our culture that goes into American comics that you really just have to grow up around to understand... and even take for granted.

M0us3_Zero · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 437

I'll never leave. I'm hardwired to this b**ch.

You drama queens know you can't shake it. You'll always come back. Even if it's to see the latest drama of the week.

Donotsue · Needs to get out more Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 884

I found sumfin called "Cyberspunk" "Rhiannon Masks" and "Uzalec" from Genus #20 1996
Lezzy Unicorn Special! =)

Cyberspunk is a collaboration... 2 others are droon by Shon "I'm not Diana" Howell! (??)

Out of all 3 stories... 112 panels... only 8 panels show toes. =)

Oh, and namuch in the BG dept.... Aside some Photographs in establishing shots.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Yeah, I remember it being their first lesbian unicorn special. He did something where one of them turned out to be a demon, I thought, or was that Sutton? At any rate, I don't know how much of it he did himself, or how much there was in the way of backgrounds.

BeanBall · Apocrisiary Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 45

Conversely, a person who grew up in Japan could never really successfully produce a comic like Steve Canyon or do something with the "feel" of a Stan Lee comic... because there's so much of our culture that goes into American comics that you really just have to grow up around to understand... and even take for granted.

Agreed; it's sort of like how someone that's rich or even middle class could never trully write something about poor people and have the characters and attitude have the feel of someone in that situation. Unless you've lived it (and mean really lived it, not visited a poor area for a day or two) then unless you know someone that does (and have known them for a long time) then it's just not going to be true to life.

Likewise, someone going to College in say New York state is going to have trouble with writing about college life in Texas (and no, watching King of the Hill doesen't qualify you as being an expert of Texas culture ;) ) and vise versa.

Or someone that didn't 'go away' to college can't realistically capture 'went away to college' college life.

That's why they say to write what you know and why professional writers often have to do months (if not years) of in the field research in order to capture the feel for the culture they're portraying in their latest work of fiction.

eatenmyeyes · Qualificator Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 26

Yeah, I remember it being their first lesbian unicorn special...At any rate, I don't know how much of it he did himself, or how much there was in the way of backgrounds.

As I recall, the first page had CG backgrounds, the next three were just inked, and the rest were just sketched...

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

Looking at his VCL archive, you can see he has a fairly limited set of stock poses.

'King Cheetah'? That's why I could never find his VCL stuff.

I seriously doubt his capacity to render an even remotely attractive-looking rhinocerous girl or something challenging like that.

That line made me smile :D

I'll never leave. I'm hardwired to this b**ch.

You drama queens know you can't shake it. You'll always come back. Even if it's to see the latest drama of the week.

It's all Donny's fault I can't get away from here. I just love that squirrel too damn much!

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Yeah, I remember it being their first lesbian unicorn special...At any rate, I don't know how much of it he did himself, or how much there was in the way of backgrounds.

As I recall, the first page had CG backgrounds, the next three were just inked, and the rest were just sketched...

Ah yes. I remember now that the last few pages of the story looked like they hadn't been completed and the roughs were just cleaned up and printed. That's "professional" furry comics for ya.

Jerry Collins · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 548

Once upon a time Shon and I were friends,notice I said once upon a time..Shon has this agitating habit of treating his friends like lobotomised Mudokons..and he wonders why he has so many critics and enemies?Now that everybody has had their fill of his arrogant ,lazy ass,nobody pays attention to him anymore..and of course he's gonna' have a royal shit-fit!..It's sad,Shon had so much potential,but he pissed it away with cutting corners and demanding his sacred ego stroked..what a waste of talent,what a waste of flesh....T' Gehenna mit da' momzer gonif goyem! good bye and don't let the door hit ya' in th' arse on the way out (Jer)

Dr. Dos · Vociferator Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 718

I had visions of Paramites living in the wild,
How they were before I was a child
Then I saw what we did, ignored their cries
Cut 'em up for Paramite Pies.

Donotsue · Needs to get out more Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 884

Hm.. seems like everything Shon gots in the VCL, he has re-imagined big-eyed and scrawny bodied anime types...

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

... almost-but-not-quite-there talents in furrydumb: all the potential that never comes into being. But heck, that's their decision.

I have to disagree. Howell's "Is it a bird, is it a spec, when it's underwater, does it get wet?" drawings are even less than O'Connell's craptacular "All looks the same" shit. I hate to say it, but He's no Momma Bliss. Just as crappy-sketchy, but without even that much time put into it. Three minutes after I saw my first Shon Howell, I wanted to never see another one. I already knew what I'd be seeing - the same fucking three strokes. Wooowoo.

His style isn't bad, even though I don't particularly care for anorexic, seemingly teenage catgirls in recycled poses cut off at the knees (ankles... too hard.... to.... draw..... must, pull up to..... safe zone!). But, it's not good, either. His range of what he can draw is basically limited to his doe-eyed catgirls and a couple of things that are vaguely canine and remotely equine. And when he does venture away from catgirls, his capacity to render something different goes downhill quickly, even among the semi-equines and canids. His few attempts at dragons look more like grotesques on the terrace of some gothic cathedral. I seriously doubt his capacity to render an even remotely attractive-looking rhinocerous girl or something challenging like that.

Well I agree actually... I was just extrapolating: If Howell could draw a wide variety of subject matter, then he could go places... But it seems he can't, or he has no interest in doing so - oddly enough, as he seems frustrated... but then that frustration may have other sources. I don't really think of Howell as one of the almost-but-not-quite-there talents in furrydumb, that would rather be someone like... uhh... can't think of anyone right now (and no I'm not trying to be funny... the talents are there, but when I'm trying to think of specific names right now, furry kind of blurs into one big skunkhermtaurdicknipple orgy pic)

Still, can't help but wonder - for a few seconds at least - does furry, with its easy accolades and $ for sloppily-executed porn attract people who really don't want to do anything but sloppily-executed porn... or does it derail people who could have gone somewhere? Of course, people's choices are their own business... but as mentioned, there is that slight feeling of wasted opportunity when you see how artists like EWS have painted themselves into corners they can't get out of. If they're happy with what they're doing, hey cool. But many furry artists seem not to be; Howell is a case in point.

(edit: spelling)

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I think the usual trend among the more talented artists is derailment. I separate the more talented ones from the bulk of nontalented or unskilled furry artists to draw a line between those that were drawing for their own enjoyment prior to falling in with furries from those that fell in with furries and then started drawing in an attempt to draw the spotlight (no pun intended) of furry adolation to themselves for however long they could.

With the more talented artists, however, I think they were typically drawing well before they discovered furries. That's how it was for me. I was already doing Marvel comic and anime-inspired drawings, as well as having generally excelled in art classes at school. It wasn't until Thundercats and the "all furry" issue of Amazing Heroes that the train tracks shifted at a fork in the road.

Some artists, however, do continue to develop, rather than fixating on furries. I drew a lot of furries in my time, but I drew plenty of other stuff as well. I only really gave up on art classes when I changed majors, since my interest in graphic design in a college with a primarily fine arts department was labeled "stupid" in no unspecific terms. I think artists that don't hit a dead end in the furry eye are rare, however... ones like Ursula Vernon that aren't in furry art for the furries so much as they simply like to render whimsical creatures.

A lot of them, on the other hand, like Howell and EWS and such, find an easy niche in furrydom that feeds their ego and puts a few bucks in their pocket and that's the end of that. I think the ego thing factors into the equation a lot, even if it's on a subconscious level. It would seem to me that anyone really interested in art for its own enjoyment, or for professional development, would have more of an eye for the "big picture." They'd realize that they enjoy drawing furries, but that focusing on them isn't going to take them very far. But, the allure of having a following proves too great for some, and they get sucked in, pandering to their niche market and forsaking other aspirations they may have had. They invest their art in a quick and meager return, rather than focusing on what will reap larger benefits down the road.

On the other hand, some may just be talented hobbyists. They may be happy doing whatever it is they do professionally, and simply doing the furry art on the side. Almost all of us are all too familiar, however, with the stories of people that had the talent to go on to bigger things, but just never mustered the willpower to leave behind the mental and literal hardons the furry porn scene gave them.

A fixation on porn, I think, also suggests something is a little off-kilter in someone's life. I don't mean having a stash of Playboys or almost a gigabyte of porn on your hard drive and fapping almost every night.. I mean an obsession with hording and creating porn. It can be an addiction, like booze or gambling or video games or online chat.... where trolling newsgroups for images and jacking off becomes more a force of habit than something done out of genuine randiness. Staying up into the wee hours of the morning textfucking... dragging the next day... then repeating the process nightly is obviously not a productive lifestyle. But it's all too common among furries (almost any peek into IRC rooms will show you that). It affects performance in work and school, and often results in health issues, since the person may give up working out in favor if staring at fuzzy tits on the screen... eating whatever is at hand to stay fueled.

Not to say porn is evil... just that it's a pretty alluring drug, and can be detrimental if not used with moderation. I wholeheartedly support girlie mags or even cybersex instead of going out and having sexual relations that are mentally, emotionally, and physically irresponsible. But, if porn and cybersex aren't used with a little self-discipline, it becomes a substitute for real-life interaction with other people and becomes problematic. Many furries we see are a living testament to that.

Combine that with the ego-stoking praise of furries when anyone with an iota of talent starts drawing their fantasy women like Minerva Mink, Fifi le Fume, or Stith from Titan A.E. with big tits and a diesel-powered dildo, and you have a powerful intoxicant that can easily derail someone from their personal aspirations.

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

I agree with Zenzhu, I've noticed two types in the fandom, the people who care about art and the ones who care about the audience/money.

All the really good artists with the capability to go further fall into the former, the hack artists fall into the latter, you do get some cross over, I've seen technically adept artists who I would never commission because they lack professional ethos.

Computolio · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 865

You know, if I had no life, no shame, and a fuckload of money I somehow could spend no other way, I'd conduct an experiment. I'd go from furry bigshot "artist" to furry bigshot "artist" and commission STR8 HYOOMAN P0RN and see how laughable the results get.

BeanBall · Apocrisiary Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 45

I agree with ZenZu 100%.

There's a saying I heard quoted on another site:

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
-Carl Sagan

It saddens me to see people piss away incredible opportunities they've had in terms of education, work and life.

It saddens me even more to see intelligent people fall into the fandoms grips of RP's where it gets to the point that it's impossible to have a converation with them without them trying to draw you into an RP or for them to included stuff like *scritches* or *hugs*! etc.

RPing in small amounts is allright but when it gets to the point where the person has lost themsevles to it so badly that they cannot have a conversation unless they're in character, that's just sad. When it gets to that point it's like they need an intervention or something.

Jerry Collins · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 548

Well said

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

Looking at his drawings...they're all essentially the same character with a slightly varied pose, jewlery, or head tilt. It's amazing, he obviously has SO much potential, but is apparently afraid to grow or risk trying anything new. Three things I take away from his archives-

1. Anyone who attempts to draw "sexy" vulture women should be on a sex offender list somewhere.

2. Women do not actually stand in any of those poses unless we REALLY have to pee.

3. People who make a huge big deal out of how they've "Had enough, going away forever" etc are the ones who will be back next week. It's like killing off a superhero. Being dead or in some pretentious self-imposed exile is a great way to get attention.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

1. Anyone who attempts to draw "sexy" vulture women should be on a sex offender list somewhere.

Not to piss on your post or anything, but drawing less used species is a sign of creativity I think. Check out Ursela Vernon's site for examples of unusual anthro females made 'sexy'.

2. Women do not actually stand in any of those poses unless we REALLY have to pee.

:lol:

3. People who make a huge big deal out of how they've "Had enough, going away forever" etc are the ones who will be back next week. It's like killing off a superhero. Being dead or in some pretentious self-imposed exile is a great way to get attention.

For a comic book reader like me who hates much of what passes for standard superhero convention, that quote speaks volumes of truth.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

"Not to piss on your post or anything, but drawing less used species is a sign of creativity I think. Check out Ursela Vernon's site for examples of unusual anthro females made 'sexy'. "

Not to worry! You make an excellent point. I guess it would be more of a stretch to make, say, an ostrich look appealing than the usual cats, foxes, etc. But that doesn't change the fact it just looks creepy to me. =) I mean, can you imagine?

"Oh, my dear, you're so beautiful, so sexy, so perfect for me...er...have you been eating carrion again?"

Icky. =)

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

Not to worry! You make an excellent point. I guess it would be more of a stretch to make, say, an ostrich look appealing than the usual cats, foxes, etc. But that doesn't change the fact it just looks creepy to me. =) I mean, can you imagine?

"Oh, my dear, you're so beautiful, so sexy, so perfect for me...er...have you been eating carrion again?"

Icky. =)

I've drawn ickier species, and by some chance alignment of the heavens I'm currently drawing something else icker at the moment :wink:

But noone here will ever SEE it or be able to connect it to me so don't ask :roll: :twisted: :P

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Vultures urinate on themselves to keep cool... it's fanservice to the watersports crowd, I bet. Although, I don't see any vultures in there.. closest thing is some bald dragons and his attempt at Stith from Titan A.E.

Looking at the stuff..... it all makes me think of someone having a wet dream of Dee Dee from Dexter's Lab.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

I've drawn ickier species, and by some chance alignment of the heavens I'm currently drawing something else icker at the moment :wink:

But noone here will ever SEE it or be able to connect it to me so don't ask :roll: :twisted: :P

Admit it: You're Eric Schwartz.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

I've drawn ickier species, and by some chance alignment of the heavens I'm currently drawing something else icker at the moment :wink:

But noone here will ever SEE it or be able to connect it to me so don't ask :roll: :twisted: :P

Admit it: You're Eric Schwartz.

No. I'm TDK, I'm Keiser Soze, I'm the One-Armed Man who killed your wife. He really isn't Erik, you know... TDK is real, and I am he.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

I'm TDK, I'm Keiser Soze, I'm the One-Armed Man who killed your wife. He really isn't Erik, you know... TDK is real, and I am he.

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

I'm TDK, I'm Keiser Soze, I'm the One-Armed Man who killed your wife. He really isn't Erik, you know... TDK is real, and I am he.

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

Oh blah-dee, oh blah-da. "Live Goes On" was a touching 'family' series with a retarded child as a pivot point in the plot. Much like a furry, the axis is based upon retardation.

...this thread has now come full circle. :wink:

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

...this thread has now come full circle. :wink:

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

Also

BANANA SLUG.

I demand slug porn be drawn immediately! Hop to it CHOP CHOP

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

1. Anyone who attempts to draw "sexy" vulture women should be on a sex offender list somewhere.

Not to piss on your post or anything, but drawing less used species is a sign of creativity I think. Check out Ursela Vernon's site for examples of unusual anthro females made 'sexy'.

Her FAQ is a good read...

Q: I am a dragon/the last of the elves/a vampire/the reincarnation of someone famous/God.

A: How nice for you.

Q: Do you really have people writing to tell you they're the last of the elves/dragons/vampires or whatever?

A: Yes. Except for the last of the elves, who began raving at me in a park in Oregon once. It's a weird 'ol world out there.

...

Q: Are you a furry?

A: No. I think animal people are cool-lookin'. That's as far as I go. I don't think I'm an animal, I don't rave about my inner platypus, I don't mangle the language by inserting the word "fur" into innocent sentences, and it will be a cold day someplace damn hot before I dress up in some kind of fur suit. In my experience, most furries are pretty normal souls who just thought "The Lion King" or "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" or even Sonic the Hedgehog was majorly cool. The whole furry porn thing is way over-publicized, but since you ask, no, nekkid animal people don't get me hot and bothered (although a few of 'em give me the giggles)

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

Although, I don't see any vultures in there.. closest thing is some bald dragons and his attempt at Stith from Titan A.E. >

You know, I looked back, and you're right. I didn't take a look at the filenames. I just automatically cringed at the beaks and such. But...come to think of it, Vultures don't have long, serpentine tails. Then again, neither do anorexic underage girls, as far as I know, so it must be another furry/guy thing.

Jerry Collins · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 548

:roll: From the mind of Howell :roll: gad what a git!

Squizzle · Prattler Joined: 20 Dec 2004 Posts: 121

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

Whaddya know, it's true: the walrus is Paul!

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

Whaddya know, it's true: the walrus is Paul!

You son of a bitch, Humphrey..

Smatterchew · Qualificator Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 22

Maybe it'll be good for him, and he'll expand his horizons. Then again, maybe not! I did the 'characters looking similar to each other' thing, a little bit and have one word for it... "boring." Brought a little taste of 'teh internet fame', but seemed hollow somehow. Methinks he compensates for other things *coughlackofvarietycough* by going full-bore and barraging us with the same bland stuff. It sears itself into the viewer's brain by the sheer number of formulaic pictures. A handful of those pictures would be cute... there's no need for dozens of them where one or two would suffice. And no, I'm not saying he's bad... just agreeing with many of you guys. If he's not just getting of on teh drama (which he may very well be), this could be good for him and people who like his art.

Jerry Collins · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 548

well said,but don't hold your breath for Shon to do the right thing.(Jer)