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Ray Prower
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Posted: 6/30/2005 1:38:57 AM     Post subject: You really shouldn't eat that fish.  

PETA says Aquariums shouldn't serve fish.

Don't these people have anything better to do with their time? I mean, I've had fish as pets before but that damn sure didn't make me feel bad about eating Seafood on occasion.

An animal rights group wants the Aquarium of the Pacific in Long Beach to gut its cafeteria menu of fish and seafood, arguing that "serving fish at an aquarium is like serving poodle burgers at a dog show."


Terrible. Do they want us all to be vegetarians or what?
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Posted: 6/30/2005 2:17:56 AM     Post subject: Re: You really shouldn't eat that fish.  


Don't these people have anything better to do with their time? I mean, I've had fish as pets before but that damn sure didn't make me feel bad about eating Seafood on occasion.

No they don't, actually. Also, according to PETA, any animal being kept as a pet is a 'slave'. So in PETA's perfect world, there ARE no pets.

Terrible. Do they want us all to be vegetarians or what?


Yes. Yes they do.

For maximum PETA entertainment, acquire a copy of the PETA episode of "Penn & Teller: Bullshit!". Season 2, I believe.
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Posted: 6/30/2005 2:21:51 AM     Post subject:  

No Mr. Bond, they expect you to die.

Anyways, PETA. bolling
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Posted: 6/30/2005 3:37:30 AM     Post subject:  

As far as I'm concerned, PETA is made up of the people who don't have the intestinal fortitude to be actual eco-terrorists. They'd love nothing better than to go blow up dairy farms and 'liberate' all the cows, but they're too lily-livered, so they settle for more legal channels of harassment.
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Posted: 6/30/2005 11:25:47 AM     Post subject: Re: You really shouldn't eat that fish.  


No they don't, actually. Also, according to PETA, any animal being kept as a pet is a 'slave'. So in PETA's perfect world, there ARE no pets.


In PETA's perfect world, there are no humans.

They're worse than furries.
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Posted: 6/30/2005 12:35:09 PM     Post subject:  

No Mr. Bond, they expect you to die.

Anyways, PETA. bolling


Interesting thing about Peta killing pets, did anyone notice that the animals in question were all carnivors, not herbivors, or "food" animals.
Seems that they think the only good carnivor, is a dead one.

They did save 18 chickens though.

More about that here
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Posted: 6/30/2005 4:29:50 PM     Post subject:  



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Posted: 6/30/2005 5:21:35 PM     Post subject:  

(silly pictures)


THINK OF THE CHILDRENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111ONE
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Posted: 7/1/2005 1:18:24 AM     Post subject:  




It's true! You can recognise the chicken in that picture and you can't do that with a chicken nugget.
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Posted: 7/1/2005 7:57:15 PM     Post subject:  

Those PETA freaks creep me out.
Next they'll start complaining to lions and wolves, beacouse they kill their prey with inhumane ways (They grab the animal's nose/trunk/neck and choke them, and often eat them alive) Or then they start attacking at people like me, who have to raise the food for their pets and feed them alive to the animal.

Personally, i don't eat some meat or drink milk, beacouse i know where it comes from, and it just simply disgusts me, but killing animals is normal life and such.. no big deal to me. Those who eat meat have to kill the things they eat, it's that simple.


i really don't care what people do if they don't hurt anyone or try to force their belifes(belives??) to other who just don't. give. a. shit.
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Posted: 7/1/2005 8:07:08 PM     Post subject:  

YET.

A quick, painless death; I say .
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Posted: 7/1/2005 8:54:20 PM     Post subject:  

Remember ... it is not kosher unless it is killed the most horrible way... >=)
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Posted: 7/2/2005 12:06:35 AM     Post subject: Re: You really shouldn't eat that fish.  


No they don't, actually. Also, according to PETA, any animal being kept as a pet is a 'slave'. So in PETA's perfect world, there ARE no pets.


Incorrect. Many PETA members keep pets (generally cats or dogs rescued from the Human Society), some even keep horses and other large animals.


In PETA's perfect world, there are no humans.

They're worse than furries.


Also incorrect. Humans are animals and so should have rights, just like the other animals. Members of PETA just don't directly focus on them.


Those PETA freaks creep me out.
Next they'll start complaining to lions and wolves, beacouse they kill their prey with inhumane ways (They grab the animal's nose/trunk/neck and choke them, and often eat them alive)


(I'm aware that this might be a joke.) No. Unlike humans, wolves and lions have no humane options. They want humans to treat non-humans in the fashion they deem to be right because unlike the rest of kingdom, we're capable of it.


Jeez guys. There are more freaks out there than just furries and pervs. Diversify, why don't you?
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Posted: 7/2/2005 1:38:14 AM     Post subject: Re: You really shouldn't eat that fish.  

Jeez guys. There are more freaks out there than just furries and pervs. Diversify, why don't you?

NO
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Posted: 7/2/2005 1:55:24 AM     Post subject:  

I'm a PETA member...

People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.

Seriously, AngryFurre, are you going to defend NAMBLA next? Haven't you seen 28 Days Later? The animal liberators will kill us all unintentionally!
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Posted: 7/2/2005 1:59:58 AM     Post subject: Re: You really shouldn't eat that fish.  


No they don't, actually. Also, according to PETA, any animal being kept as a pet is a 'slave'. So in PETA's perfect world, there ARE no pets.


Incorrect. Many PETA members keep pets (generally cats or dogs rescued from the Human Society), some even keep horses and other large animals.


In PETA's perfect world, there are no humans.

They're worse than furries.


Also incorrect. Humans are animals and so should have rights, just like the other animals. Members of PETA just don't directly focus on them.


Those PETA freaks creep me out.
Next they'll start complaining to lions and wolves, beacouse they kill their prey with inhumane ways (They grab the animal's nose/trunk/neck and choke them, and often eat them alive)


(I'm aware that this might be a joke.) No. Unlike humans, wolves and lions have no humane options. They want humans to treat non-humans in the fashion they deem to be right because unlike the rest of kingdom, we're capable of it.


Jeez guys. There are more freaks out there than just furries and pervs. Diversify, why don't you?

Just eat the nugget and shut up.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 2:32:49 AM     Post subject:  

I'm not agreeing with PETA. I don't support them, but I know people who do, and do take the time to listen to their ideas. All I'm doing is clearing up misinformation.

Man. You call yourselves laid back and open (or just unconcerned with) to critics, but one person presents the facts about a view point which they don't even hold and you attack them?
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Posted: 7/2/2005 2:37:36 AM     Post subject:  

I'm not agreeing with PETA. I don't support them, but I know people who do, and do take the time to listen to their ideas. All I'm doing is clearing up misinformation.

Man. You call yourselves laid back and open (or just unconcerned with) to critics, but one person presents the facts about a view point which they don't even hold and you attack them?

u suk u nazi
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Posted: 7/2/2005 2:53:34 AM     Post subject:  

Here's a few more lovely tidbits about PETA...

-PETA's president is on record saying exactly what I'd paraphrased earlier - animals being kept as pets are "slaves", and nobody has the right to 'own' an animal.

-PETA is completely against any animal testing, going so far as to claim that medical tests on animals can't even be used to help humans. Yet one of the more high-ranking members of PETA relies on Insulin to control her diabetes. Note, of course, that Insulin was discovered through animal testing, and is still derived from animal products. The PETA member's justification? "I need MY life to help fight for the rights of animals."

-PETA claims to 'save' animals. Yet, on average, 2/3rds of the animals 'rescued' annually are killed. "Sometimes, the only humane option is to put an animal to sleep forever", says PETA's prez.

-PETA's tax records have shown large donations to aid a young man who pled guilty to firebombing a laboratory where animal testing was taking place.

For the record, I hate PETA. I can't stand them. That doesn't mean I don't like animals. I'd just prefer to support sane organizations like the Humane Society or the SPCA. People who abuse animals should go to prision, and so should people who break into testing facilities and firebomb universities in the name of 'animal liberation'.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 3:45:13 AM     Post subject:  

Here's a few more lovely tidbits about PETA...

-PETA's president is on record saying exactly what I'd paraphrased earlier - animals being kept as pets are "slaves", and nobody has the right to 'own' an animal.


As Bush claims that bombing Iraq will stop terrorism. Just because the person in charge says it, it doesn't mean that the group believes it as well, and most certainly doesn't mean that you should descriminate against the group.

-PETA is completely against any animal testing, going so far as to claim that medical tests on animals can't even be used to help humans. Yet one of the more high-ranking members of PETA relies on Insulin to control her diabetes. Note, of course, that Insulin was discovered through animal testing, and is still derived from animal products. The PETA member's justification? "I need MY life to help fight for the rights of animals."


The PETA FAQ itself states that it's impossible not to occasionally need to kill or hurt something, that's just life. Minimizing is the key. Not to mention they've just come up with a new animal-free insulin assay. As for Insulin's history: You can't change the past. Still, I otherwise agree with you to on this, given that there are alternative, holistic routes to using insulin.

-PETA claims to 'save' animals. Yet, on average, 2/3rds of the animals 'rescued' annually are killed. "Sometimes, the only humane option is to put an animal to sleep forever", says PETA's prez.


The Humane Society, which you mention below, runs into the same problems.

-PETA's tax records have shown large donations to aid a young man who pled guilty to firebombing a laboratory where animal testing was taking place.


If it's true, I can't justify it. And the bastards call themselves peace-oriented. But PETA is a tax-exempt organization. I hardly know the ins and outs of these sorts of things, but without taxes, why would you have tax records?

For the record, I hate PETA. I can't stand them.


Hate the sin, not the sinner.

That doesn't mean I don't like animals. I'd just prefer to support sane organizations like the Humane Society or the SPCA. People who abuse animals should go to prision, and so should people who break into testing facilities and firebomb universities in the name of 'animal liberation'.


PETA doesn't do that directly, you're thinking of the ALF and similar organizations. But I must make it clear that I'm not supporting PETA here, nor do I encourage you or anyone else to. I just dislike misinformation and tend to be argumentative.

PETA doesn't try to be a pain in the ass more than any other group trying to get it's views heard. It may or may not have done stupid or backward things, but it's also done good things as well.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 4:53:23 AM     Post subject:  

(stuff that makes sense)


Fair enough, fair enough. I suppose I should be careful saying things like "I hate PETA", as that's not really a fair thing to say. Just as there are some decent and non-insane people in furry, I'm sure there are some decent non-insane PETA folks.

As far as the tax records, even though PETA is a 'not for profit' organization, they still have to fill out a tax form in the US.

Also, I realize that the Humane Society and animal shelters across the country inevitably must put down a certain number of animals every year. But they don't hide behind a facade of "all animals must be rescued and set free!". Hell, in some of the larger cities, PETA members picket and protest animal shelters, accusing those who work there of 'murdering innocent puppies and kittens'.

I dunno. The whole PETA thing just reminds me of all the upper-middle-class college-age kids trying to be hippies and 'save the environment'. They don't have anything better to do with their lives (and mommy and daddy's money), so they jump on some bandwagon touting environmentalism or animal rights or anti-corporatism or anti-globalization.

I'm sure there's some way to tie that back in to furries, but I'm tired. I made my points, AngryFurreII made some good counterpoints, and I thank him for his civilized replies.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 3:12:35 PM     Post subject:  

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Posted: 7/2/2005 5:53:26 PM     Post subject:  

Dear Lord... Is that dog smoking???

I'm sure PETA is composed of all kinds of nuts just like "FURRY" is.

I got freinds that are animal lovers and they think PETA people are dorks.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 6:31:59 PM     Post subject:  

For the record, I hate PETA. I can't stand them. That doesn't mean I don't like animals. I'd just prefer to support sane organizations like the Humane Society or the SPCA. People who abuse animals should go to prision, and so should people who break into testing facilities and firebomb universities in the name of 'animal liberation'.


im so fucking sick of hearing people bitch about PETA, that I am left with no choice other than to pledge support for PETA 110% :)


None of thier supposed agenda (even the bogus exaggerated BS) offends me. So fuck it :)

As far as the Animal Liberation Front. For some reason I've always been fascinated by them. I've always liked the ALF ever since I was in high school and I used to read the newswire that was set up for a while. I love reading about that kinda mayhem - and hey, in my mind, I think those people actually do have a just cause, just acting out of frustration. Is it wrong, sure... I just don't care. :)

The whole animal research thing is a goddamn rackett anyway. Feel free to disagree but, I say its no big loss.



Also what the fuck is with Penn & Teller, they always get brought up during discussion about PETA .. first, they arn't that funny, and secondly they are comedians... you want to debate an issue - don't reference lame comedy. Otherwise, my counterpoint is fuck you, go out and buy Buried Alive's only album The Death of your Perfect World, and grab some Earth Crisis albums while your at it, dick

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Posted: 7/2/2005 7:29:04 PM     Post subject:  

More stuff about PETA, that Mouse can't deal with.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 7:38:38 PM     Post subject:  

More stuff about PETA, that Mouse can't deal with.


Im more than capable of dealing with it... I just stopped reading 2 sentences in, and here's why:

The two groups are responsible for more than 600 crimes since 1996, causing (by a very conservative FBI estimate) more than $43 million in damage. ALF’s “press office” brags that in 2002, the two groups committed “100 illegal direct actions” -- like blowing up SUVs, destroying the brakes on seafood delivery trucks, and planting firebombs in restaurants.

Why the fuck would the ALF fuck with brakes on a food delivery truck, or bomb a restaurant? Jesus christ guy! Its not that difficult to understand what the animal liberation front does

-- they liberate animals -- whatever you think about that, agree disagree, Its irrelevant. Thats what they do, if the action doesnt meet that criteria, then it isn't an ALF action. They cant liberate dead animals in a restaurant. Theres really not much wiggle room there, and I don't see why that should be a problem. Yet all these other sites post these ridiculous stories -- when they compile these statistic they throw a lot of stuff inthere that doesnt belong to make thier point stronger. What other point do you need? its criminal action. Thats my issue. I don't like bullshit, and there is a hell of a lot more of it on the other side in this case.

There is plenty of reason to be against these groups. ALF, ELF, its criminal. But if you think they are out there bayonetting babies and cutting your brake lines cause you ate a hamburger - You're a fucking idiot. What else can really be said?
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Posted: 7/2/2005 7:51:37 PM     Post subject:  

More stuff about PETA, that Mouse can't deal with.


There is plenty of reason to be against these groups. ALF, ELF, its criminal. But if you think they are out there bayonetting babies and cutting your brake lines cause you ate a hamburger - You're a fucking idiot. What else can really be said?


Nothing to do with that, it's just that you do seem to have predictable reaction whenever someone questions, or critasizes PETA. Mostly I find your reactions to be overblown, if not outright hilarious.
Besides getting stressed out over stuff like that is pointless.
Try to responsed with a more civil manner, and maybe I'll just stop pushing your buttons, like all the rest of us PETA critics seem to do all of the time.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 7:59:18 PM     Post subject:  

More stuff about PETA, that Mouse can't deal with.

That site, www.activistcash.com, is owned by The Center for Consumer Freedom which is a "front group for the restaurant, alcohol and tobacco industries". Hardly an unbiased source.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 8:17:29 PM     Post subject:  

Nothing to do with that, it's just that you do seem to have predictable reaction whenever someone questions, or critasizes PETA. Mostly I find your reactions to be overblown, if not outright hilarious.


If you say so.

Besides getting stressed out over stuff like that is pointless.
Try to responsed with a more civil manner, and maybe I'll just stop pushing your buttons, like all the rest of us PETA critics seem to do all of the time.


You can push my buttons all you want, you didn't address anything I said. Most of the information against PETA and these groups that is out there is wrong. If it isn't wrong, its incredibly distorted. And the legitimate grounds for criticism are rarely, if ever, addressed in a civil manner. So, I'm having a hard time understanding why its expected of me, but not anyone else?

But thats how it is, isn't it? You can be condecending if you hold a mainstream view but not the other way around? Heh, not for me. :)
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Posted: 7/2/2005 8:25:08 PM     Post subject:  

Animal Liberation Front - a small and misunderstood group of people trying to bring humans and animals closer.

alt.lifestyle.furry - a small and misunderstood group of people trying to bring humans and animals closer.

Duplicity and subversion!
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Posted: 7/2/2005 8:39:11 PM     Post subject:  

Groups like PETA and others have their hearts in the right place, but many take it too far. They hold dumbass protests to "Save Bessie the Cow" or some other shit. They scream and screech when they see someone wearing leather and go into conniptions when they see someone eating meat. A few people go to extreme lengths, like the ones IceCat talked about.

They may seem wacky, but I think they're mostly harmless.

EDIT: As for the Animal Liberation Front and alt.lifestyle.furry, they may want to bring humans and animals closer, but it's in completely different ways.
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Posted: 7/3/2005 1:56:32 AM     Post subject:  

They hold dumbass protests to "Save Bessie the Cow" or some other shit.



And that's why I don't like them. It's a cow unless your a Hindu it's really not important, I mean I don't want them to be tortured with needles or anything it's just that they're not that special. Same thing with chickens everytime I head up Bardstown road I always see a few at the KFC holding signs like "KFC tortures chickens" and I can't help but think that they really just want something to whine about and make their middle to upperclass lives feel better.
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Posted: 7/3/2005 7:15:53 AM     Post subject:  

I've worked in a slaughter house... the last thing anyone wants is to torture the cows.

It's in the best interest of the slaughter house and the distributer of the meats to kill the animals humanely.

The first thing you wanna do is make the cow brain dead, usually using a numatic piston with a rounded end to knock that sucker out. Bash in its frontal lobe.

If the cow gets anxious or scared and adrenaline starts pumping into its blood... thats it, the meat is ruined, it's quality is taken down more than a few pegs. Trust me, it makes a bigger difference than grain fed beef and grass fed.

Then the cow, brain dead... incapable of feeling any pain, is then manually slaughtered and its shanks and straps seperated.

I believe chicken are preped upside down on a conveyer belt and then decapitated mechanically. circular saws.

Doesn't seem cruel or tortureous to me... I mean its not like they see it coming.

Chickens are idiots.
Except the ones that can play Piano... that takes talent.


Almost forgot... Milk Cows... they suffer unimaginably.

They literally have the life sucked out of them.

First of all, a cow has to be pregnant to produce milk, so the milk cow in it's entire life is pregnant over and over until it can no longer become inseminated, being milked pretty much 24/7 while pregnant and between pregnancies, the milk suckers sometimes rending flesh off the utters(doesnt happen to often), blood, puss... But hey, Milk does a body Good.

And don't believ McDonalds or BK when they say they use the highest quality beef in their burgers... they use old decrepit cows that no longer milk and cannot bare calves.

One good example is when my friend John takes a load of cattle to be sold at auction, some cows break a leg or two in transport on those 18wheeler trailers... can't get a good bid on a crippled cow, those are sold cheap to fast food.

EAT UP.
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Posted: 7/4/2005 6:55:48 AM     Post subject:  

First of all, a cow has to be pregnant to produce milk, so the milk cow in it's entire life is pregnant over and over until it can no longer become inseminated, being milked pretty much 24/7 while pregnant and between pregnancies, the milk suckers sometimes rending flesh off the utters(doesnt happen to often), blood, puss... But hey, Milk does a body Good.


Outside of all that, I don't drink milk cause theres no point. Milk is for infants. Literally. As an adult, I choose to drink beer, bourbon, scotch, water and pop. (Tho the last two are interchangable..) in that order -- End of list :)
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Posted: 7/4/2005 12:18:05 PM     Post subject:  

Outside of all that, I don't drink milk cause theres no point. Milk is for infants. Literally. As an adult, I choose to drink beer, bourbon, scotch, water and pop. (Tho the last two are interchangable..) in that order -- End of list :)


"Pop." Oh you silly backwards New Englanders. :)
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Posted: 7/4/2005 6:00:35 PM     Post subject:  

Outside of all that, I don't drink milk cause theres no point. Milk is for infants. Literally. As an adult, I choose to drink beer, bourbon, scotch, water and pop. (Tho the last two are interchangable..) in that order -- End of list :)


"Pop." Oh you silly backwards New Englanders. :)


yeah right, pop is the real word! its everyone else thats wrong.. soda is like club soda , or baking soda. (Also caustic soda - the cleaning agent that goes into older engine block washing tanks, they also I think use it in coke ovens for making steel)

pop is a carbonated, flavored beverage. Its much more specific that saying soda. yall ask for soda round these here parts, yer gettin club soda. Not cause they wouldn't know what you mean, but purely out of spite, id think.... At least thats what I would do anyway :)
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Posted: 7/4/2005 6:55:35 PM     Post subject:  

Pop is what you call your old man. Assuming it's the 1940s.
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Posted: 7/5/2005 7:32:13 AM     Post subject:  

Indeed. i don't eat anything with milk anymore as i don't see any point doing that.

They say we should drink 2-3 glasses of milk every day, but that's counted by how much we should drink to give the farmers enough money, not counted by how much we should drink it to stay healthy.

Think about it ö_ö What kind of perv it was who first time thought of drinking milk anyway? "Oh, lookie! There's something white coming out of the cow boob! Let's drink it!" *kough* ew.
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Posted: 7/5/2005 12:09:34 PM     Post subject:  

Think about it ö_ö What kind of perv it was who first time thought of drinking milk anyway? "Oh, lookie! There's something white coming out of the cow boob! Let's drink it!" *kough* ew.

Mother nature thought of it, you git: Mammal babies drink their mother's milk - it comes out of the boobs for that very purpose. :roll: It's highly nutritious; babies need milk to grow. But it's true that adults don't need it. Then again, people eat lots of stuff they don't need or that isn't healthy for them (e.g. sugar), simply because they like it.
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Posted: 7/5/2005 1:13:23 PM     Post subject:  


yeah right, pop is the real word! its everyone else thats wrong.. soda is like club soda , or baking soda. (Also caustic soda - the cleaning agent that goes into older engine block washing tanks, they also I think use it in coke ovens for making steel)

pop is a carbonated, flavored beverage. Its much more specific that saying soda. yall ask for soda round these here parts, yer gettin club soda. Not cause they wouldn't know what you mean, but purely out of spite, id think.... At least thats what I would do anyway :)


Pop is the sound a toilet plunger makes when you forcefully yank it off of a surface.

Soda is a carbonated, flavored beverage. It's much more specific than saying pop. If you ask for a pop around these parts, you're getting a plunger to the goddamn face. Not because they don't know what you mean, but purely out of spite. At least that's what I would do. :>
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Posted: 7/5/2005 2:09:55 PM     Post subject:  

Hey, milk is rich in calcium, and calcium is good for your bones.

Besides which, mankind did not climb tooth and nail up the ladder of civilization, the great thinkers of the enlightenment did not probe the mysteries of philosophy and science, and countless men did not die in wars shedding blood, sweat, and tears, just so you could wash down a delicious cookie with water like a barbarian.

Cookies without milk. Has the whole world gone mad?!
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Posted: 7/5/2005 9:25:00 PM     Post subject:  

Call it 'soda' or I'll whack you with a hoagie.
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Posted: 7/5/2005 10:31:35 PM     Post subject:  

hmm, all vegitarien diet, preference for organically-grown produce.

Put the "green" back in soylent green. eat an ALF member.

of course, I endeavor to reject the Agro-Industrial complex as far a possible. so I would probably make some sort of stew instead.
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Posted: 7/6/2005 2:20:35 AM     Post subject:  


Cookies without milk. Has the whole world gone mad?!

I can't argue with that...
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Posted: 7/6/2005 5:16:19 AM     Post subject:  

No dairy products means no ice cream. You'll take my chocolate, pistachio, coffee banana splits away when ya pry em from my cold dead hands!
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Posted: 7/6/2005 5:34:33 AM     Post subject:  

Cookies without milk. Has the whole world gone mad?!



Yes..Yes it has.
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Posted: 7/6/2005 6:12:53 AM     Post subject:  

No dairy products means no ice cream. You'll take my chocolate, pistachio, coffee banana splits away when ya pry em from my cold dead hands!

That would be kind of a cool flavor name for ice cream, or an ice cream shop. "Cold Dead Hands".
Awesome.
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Posted: 7/10/2005 5:18:18 PM     Post subject:  

Try to stay on topic people. If you want to talk about pop then you should go to the London Bombing thread. Personally I think PETA's biggest mistake was just calling themselves PETA. I mean like some reporter wants info on them so he or she says to an intern "Go get me that PETA file." and then he comes back with Michael Jackson.
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Posted: 7/11/2005 1:32:15 AM     Post subject:  

Groups like PETA and others have their hearts in the right place, but many take it too far. They hold dumbass protests to "Save Bessie the Cow" or some other shit. They scream and screech when they see someone wearing leather and go into conniptions when they see someone eating meat. A few people go to extreme lengths, like the ones IceCat talked about.

They may seem wacky, but I think they're mostly harmless.

EDIT: As for the Animal Liberation Front and alt.lifestyle.furry, they may want to bring humans and animals closer, but it's in completely different ways.


12 Monkeys, anyone? I always think that PETA has some of the most untapped totalitarian potential of any political group.
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Posted: 7/11/2005 3:02:36 AM     Post subject:  

I agree with some of the principals that PETA advocates, but I think that the way they go about trying to achieve their goals end up doing more damage than good.

PETA has a bad habit for employing ridiculous publicity stunts like having campaigns with bored college girls dress up in tiger body suits in cages to protest wild cats in zoos or people running down streets naked to protest the running of the bulls in Spain. This doesn't do anything to change public perceptions, it just ends up as humorous filler on CNN to break the monotony of reporting on the daily suicide bombings. Having a spokesperson like Pamela Anderson bringing to light the plight of chickens before being deep-fried at KFC only elicits a roll-your-eyes reaction in Joe and Jane sixpack in tv land. Their rabid stance on vegan lifestyles is absurd.

Unfortunately stuff like this has a tendancy to make the sheepish masses look upon respectable environmental and conservation organizations more as tree-huggers and such. If they would quit employing goofy stunts to grab more airtime and earned the respect of the public, they could do a lot more good. As it is, they just end up shooting everybody in the foot.
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Posted: 7/11/2005 5:13:25 AM     Post subject:  

PETA has a bad habit for employing ridiculous publicity stunts like having campaigns with bored college girls dress up in tiger body suits in cages to protest wild cats in zoos or people running down streets naked to protest the running of the bulls in Spain.


Problem? :?

This doesn't do anything to change public perceptions, it just ends up as humorous filler on CNN to break the monotony of reporting on the daily suicide bombings. Having a spokesperson like Pamela Anderson bringing to light the plight of chickens before being deep-fried at KFC only elicits a roll-your-eyes reaction in Joe and Jane sixpack in tv land. Their rabid stance on vegan lifestyles is absurd.


Well just for the record, uhm.. I basically am Joe six-pack. Im drinking a 6 pack of budweiser cans i picked up on the way home from the bar. I live in a somewhat trashed suburban home with my parents, and 3 of 6 cars at my house are mine and I don't drive any of them, one is on the road, 2 are undriveable currently (and of the remaining other 3 - only 2 are reliable). Jesus, what else do you people want?! Im suburban white trash - and someday - Ill be the only leftie vegan machinist in the trailer park - I don't give a fuck... cause my 83 monte's gonna smoke all these bitches :) *(not that I have one now.. but I will, one with a chevy 350 in it... its inevitable - genetically, and even metaphysically. )

If they would quit employing goofy stunts to grab more airtime and earned the respect of the public, they could do a lot more good. As it is, they just end up shooting everybody in the foot.


In all seriousness tho, I agree, like I said in the other protest thread - I dont disagree with the protest - only the method. I would prefer more serious or intellectual arguements. Thats difficult when in today's political and social climate its ok to shout people down. But then, as far as Im concerned, I think all the time, I question all my beliefs contantly. I get tired of it. I allow myself at least one single solitary issue to be, at least to a degree, irrational about. And well, this type of thing is it. Whether thats helping or hurting, I dunno, dont really care either cause the environment isn't really open to debate at this time anyway (not in any reasonable sense of the word).



12 Monkeys, anyone? I always think that PETA has some of the most untapped totalitarian potential of any political group.


Terry Gilliam being one of my favorite directors, I've read quite a bit about most of his movies. 12 Monkeys had absolutely nothing to do with animal rights, the animal rights movement, or even a virus that kills off most of the human population.

It was a film about the inevitablility of fate, and nothing more. Thats what most people miss (myself included until I read some reviews). It was much more in the vein of Heinlein's story: By His Bootstraps than anything else. From the context of the film - what happened is the past - nothing can change it... when he (and others) try to change it, it is realized that those actions are exactly what transpired originally. Im not sure I agree totally with that take on time, but I love the movie regardless.
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