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Posted: 6/30/2005 2:58:03 PM     Post subject: African piracy surging  

Call the RIAA! Makes me realize how shallow and materialistic our culture can be.
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Posted: 6/30/2005 5:44:09 PM     Post subject:  

Supposedly disasters are supposed to bring out the best in people. For just for a short while, people would set aside their differences to help one another dig out and rebuild. Perhaps I'm just looking at the past with rose-colored glasses, but did something change? When did 'disaster' become synonymous with 'open season on kidnappings and grand theft'?
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Posted: 6/30/2005 5:49:20 PM     Post subject:  

When did 'disaster' become synonymous with 'open season on kidnappings and grand theft'?

When people stopped giving a damn about one another. Which was about 50 or so years ago.
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Posted: 6/30/2005 6:02:25 PM     Post subject:  

What do you expect? Somalia is a shithole of a country, no offense. Hell, it's not technically even a country since they lack any sort of national government....
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Posted: 6/30/2005 6:52:19 PM     Post subject:  

As far as I can tell (and this is a horrid overgeneralization), Africa's always been like that. They've just upgraded from spears to AK-47s over the past thousand years. Much of the continent is still packed with backwards-ass tribal societies who fight constant wars with neighboring tribes, and when one group can scrabble enough power together to call itself the ruling party, its leaders tend to hang out in relative Western-style luxury while the rest of the country farms dirt. Some four fifths of the population of sub-Saharan Africa relies on subsistance farming, while industrialized nations forgive billions of US dollars in debt to these despots every year. Dictators doing just barely enough for their country to be eligable to recieve free money and food shipments, 'rebel factions hold a third of our land, we need more soliders and guns to form a stable government', so the G8 and IMF members just throw money at them for decades at a time. Of course, this doesn't apply to Somalia. Those fuckheads aren't even advanced enough to have a dictator.

In the 1960's, South Korea was about as economically advanced as some of the poorest countries in Africa in those days. Today, hell, some African nations have a worse economy now than they did 40 years ago. (I love this quote from the CIA Factbook: Somalia's small industrial sector, based on the processing of agricultural products, has largely been looted and sold as scrap metal.) Mining equates to kids scrabbling around in a water-filled hole and turning in what gold or diamond they find to the government, who makes a killing off of it in the world market. Irrigation is a foreign concept. Raising animals is almost profitable, except since Rift Valley Fever foreign nations stopped buying meat. Leisure is limited to fighting and fucking.

So instead of doing anything to help, the world just throws money at Africa, nine tenths of which disappears into the corrupt regional governments. MTV runs their 'save the humans from AIDS' campaign to make vapid American teenagers feel better about themselves, but they only feed the problem. It's great, y'know, we have enough cash we can toss it around as a replacement to doing actual work.
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Posted: 6/30/2005 7:19:41 PM     Post subject:  

As far as I can tell (and this is a horrid overgeneralization), Africa's always been like that. They've just upgraded from spears to AK-47s over the past thousand years. Much of the continent is still packed with backwards-ass tribal societies who fight constant wars with neighboring tribes, and when one group can scrabble enough power together to call itself the ruling party, its leaders tend to hang out in relative Western-style luxury while the rest of the country farms dirt. Some four fifths of the population of sub-Saharan Africa relies on subsistance farming, while industrialized nations forgive billions of US dollars in debt to these despots every year. Dictators doing just barely enough for their country to be eligable to recieve free money and food shipments, 'rebel factions hold a third of our land, we need more soliders and guns to form a stable government', so the G8 and IMF members just throw money at them for decades at a time. Of course, this doesn't apply to Somalia. Those fuckheads aren't even advanced enough to have a dictator.

In the 1960's, South Korea was about as economically advanced as some of the poorest countries in Africa in those days. Today, hell, some African nations have a worse economy now than they did 40 years ago. (I love this quote from the CIA Factbook: Somalia's small industrial sector, based on the processing of agricultural products, has largely been looted and sold as scrap metal.) Mining equates to kids scrabbling around in a water-filled hole and turning in what gold or diamond they find to the government, who makes a killing off of it in the world market. Irrigation is a foreign concept. Raising animals is almost profitable, except since Rift Valley Fever foreign nations stopped buying meat. Leisure is limited to fighting and fucking.

So instead of doing anything to help, the world just throws money at Africa, nine tenths of which disappears into the corrupt regional governments. MTV runs their 'save the humans from AIDS' campaign to make vapid American teenagers feel better about themselves, but they only feed the problem. It's great, y'know, we have enough cash we can toss it around as a replacement to doing actual work.



And the diamonds. Don't forget the diamonds.

An everything/nothing aside: My dad used to work in the Africa bureau of the US State Department, so he had to go to Africa on business fairly frequently. (In fact, our family used to live in Ghana back in the early 90s, at which point the country was backwards but relatively stable. At least, it was pretty far from a festering hellhole, since they had a dictator at the time who actually showed some interest in running the country instead of just looting it. Don't know what the situation there is like today.) Anyway, my dad's big thing was conflict diamonds, so they sent him to conferences in Nigeria a lot. Nigeria, unlike Ghana, WAS a festering hellhole.

He told me that as soon as he arrived at the airport a whole mess of US marines ran in, surrounded him, and hustled him to an armored car because Americans sometimes got kidnapped RIGHT OFF THE PLANE. Also, on the way to one of these conferences, an American delegate got pulled over and mugged by a policeman. I like this story because at the conference one of the US delegates used this as a story to illustrate why Americans were "hesitant" to invest in Nigeria. One Nigerian official had the priceless response: "What? A policeman? I cannot believe this! It must have been someone DRESSED as a policeman!"

Yes, because that makes it so much better.

The absolute best story about Nigeria, though, still concerns the airport. You see, the airport is right smack in the middle of the world's biggest shanty town, with these corrogated iron huts actually leaning up against the walls of the airport terminal. And, of course, there's no plumbing so these people have to do their business in the streets there. And when you have about a bazillion people shitting in the street, all baking under the hot African sun, it doesn't smell good. Anyway, on one of my dad's trips , another American delegate encountered this smell for the first time.

"My God!" he said. "What's that smell?"

My dad knew the answer, of course. "That's shit."

"Yeah," said the new guy. "But what have they done to it?!"

That's the story. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention in passing that part of Africa's current plight just might be traced back to the fact that European colonial powers did completely gut it for a couple hundred years, slice it up into artificial nation states without regard for tribal boundaries, and then dump it like a hot potato.

But they did the same to most of the world, so take from that what you will.
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Posted: 6/30/2005 10:22:45 PM     Post subject:  

Former co-worker of mine is from Nigeria. He and his family basically lied, cheated, and stole their way into the US. He is probably the nicest guy you'll want to meet and willing to do anything to help out. He and his family build a pretty decent life here in the DC area, they all live (7 of them if I remember) in a five bedroom house and just about everyone works doing something.

That backstory said, he told me a million stories about his childhood in Nigeria. The shanty town at the airport is known as an entrance to hell because of all the crime that happened (happens) there. He said that basically everyone in the country is corrupt, that for $20US you could buy your way into some government office job. Honestly, it's a sad place and he'll never go back. He told me he considers himself an American and that he hates to admit that he is from Nigeria.

And on another note, lets not forget the raping of babies because having sex with a virgin cures AIDS. Man, that's just fucked up.
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Posted: 6/30/2005 11:11:25 PM     Post subject:  

And on another note, lets not forget the raping of babies because having sex with a virgin cures AIDS.


Never heard that one before. :shock: Whoever was behind that myth must have laughed all the way to the bank. It's a real mess down there and I don't think it will be fixed until half of africa dies to some intresting new plague.
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Posted: 6/30/2005 11:19:59 PM     Post subject:  

Former co-worker of mine is from Nigeria. He and his family basically lied, cheated, and stole their way into the US.


He didn't offer somebody his Nigerian riches to hold if they gave them their bank account numbers did he?
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Posted: 7/1/2005 12:34:37 AM     Post subject:  

Remember, kids, Nigeria is the country home to the rumor that cellular phone calls could spread AIDS. In Lagos, it was believed that answering a call from a certain number would KILL YOU IMMEDIATELY. These aren't the most enlightened cultures in the world, no, these are the people who throw stones at their own shadows and die in fear at the age of 23.

Anyway. Meat and Creature's stories sound like what I've heard - I know someone who's gone to work for a country that actually had some industry to speak of. Very stubborn people, resistant to change, he was hired as a consultant, wouldn't take any of the advice they paid him for. Well, until they sent him back to the US as 'useless' and implemented whatver changes months later. I'd have to ask him again, story's pretty fuzzy now.

Oh, look what popped up in the news about two hours ago...
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Posted: 7/1/2005 12:38:43 AM     Post subject:  

They also believe AIDS can be cured by raping a virgin.

Heartless as it is, I'm all for letting them stew in their own misery.

Edit: I'm a copier!
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Posted: 7/1/2005 1:52:44 AM     Post subject:  

And on another note, lets not forget the raping of babies because having sex with a virgin cures AIDS.

Never heard that one before. :shock: Whoever was behind that myth must have laughed all the way to the bank.

Say what? How would coming up with that make anyone rich?
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Posted: 7/1/2005 5:32:39 AM     Post subject:  

Remember, kids, Nigeria is the country home to the rumor that cellular phone calls could spread AIDS. In Lagos, it was believed that answering a call from a certain number would KILL YOU IMMEDIATELY. These aren't the most enlightened cultures in the world, no, these are the people who throw stones at their own shadows and die in fear at the age of 23.
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All rumors seem to trace back to Nigeria. I think I remember hearing about them stoning girls for being witches there. And people were going nuts aftera rumor started that a "warlock" was driving around in a black car, trying to get girls to suckle a toad or something.

Not that the Nigerians have cornered the market in crazy beliefs. When I lived in Ghana, I knew people who were convinced that there was an evil skinless goat in the area that only came out at night. And in the Philippines, a lot of people believe in aswangs, which are like vampires except that their torsos split in half and they suck out your liver instead of your blood. In Iceland, which is pretty modern in all other respects, the contractors who worked on our house found a mysterious basket of eggs on the driveway one morning, became convinced that the project had been cursed by elves, and refused to do any more work until they brought in a priest to dance around the house. My German grandmother claims to have seen a ghost, and my Venezualan great grandmother swears she met the devil one night in the form of a giant black dog. And right here in the states, I've got relatives who are absolutely convinced that the moon landing was faked, the world in flat, and that the people on the TV can see you as well.

The big difference, of course, is that none of these beliefs ever led them to stone anyone to death or to rape any babies.
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Posted: 7/1/2005 7:52:57 AM     Post subject:  

My dad used to work in the Africa bureau of the US State Department, so he had to go to Africa on business fairly frequently. (In fact, our family used to live in Ghana back in the early 90s, at which point the country was backwards but relatively stable. At least, it was pretty far from a festering hellhole, since they had a dictator at the time who actually showed some interest in running the country instead of just looting it. Don't know what the situation there is like today.)



dude, your dad sounds like this almost Indiana Jones type-guy , thats awesome !

I still have yet to go on the Goonies-level adventure :( Maybe soon..
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Posted: 7/1/2005 8:25:40 AM     Post subject:  

In Iceland, which is pretty modern in all other respects, the contractors who worked on our house found a mysterious basket of eggs on the driveway one morning, became convinced that the project had been cursed by elves, and refused to do any more work until they brought in a priest to dance around the house. My German grandmother claims to have seen a ghost.
My mother's entire side of the family has seen them, as have I. And I had a great uncle that claimed to see little men running around.

I've never bought into superstitions though. People believe some crazy things. (Such as religion.)
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Posted: 7/1/2005 2:32:20 PM     Post subject:  

Say what? How would coming up with that make anyone rich?


Same way that medicine man made money by selling bullet proof charms. Of course after a "test" it was found lacking. I'm sure if stupid people want a cure to a deadly disease you can make a killing. Look at America for example. Religious healers on TV, homeopathy and the works. Yes sir, if you want money then medicine comes right after starting your own religion.
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Posted: 7/1/2005 4:01:24 PM     Post subject:  

Say what? How would coming up with that make anyone rich?


Same way that medicine man made money by selling bullet proof charms. Of course after a "test" it was found lacking. I'm sure if stupid people want a cure to a deadly disease you can make a killing. Look at America for example. Religious healers on TV, homeopathy and the works. Yes sir, if you want money then medicine comes right after starting your own religion.


But the problem here is that baby raping is aways free.


Kadius: You've seen the elves? Tell me more.
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Posted: 7/1/2005 4:15:16 PM     Post subject:  

But the problem here is that baby raping is aways free.


I'm assuming that the advice was not, at least not at first.
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Posted: 7/1/2005 4:57:37 PM     Post subject:  

But the problem here is that baby raping is aways free.


I'm assuming that the advice was not, at least not at first.


At this point it's a nation wide thing. I think it's something like 30% of all AIDS infected infants got AIDS from being raped, it's that bad.
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Posted: 7/1/2005 7:42:15 PM     Post subject:  

Kadius: You've seen the elves? Tell me more.
No elves. But enough strange things to keep me up at night.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 1:43:43 AM     Post subject:  

Kadius: You've seen the elves? Tell me more.
No elves. But enough strange things to keep me up at night.


I want details on this.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 2:36:27 AM     Post subject:  

Kadius: You've seen the elves? Tell me more.
No elves. But enough strange things to keep me up at night.

I call bullshit. I can believe that one might catch one of these shadow creatures out of the corner of one's eye due to some trick of the light, but the person who claims to have seen these things right in front of them with glowing red eyes is either A. crazy or B. a media whore.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 2:58:48 AM     Post subject:  

Kadius: You've seen the elves? Tell me more.
No elves. But enough strange things to keep me up at night.

I call bullshit. I can believe that one might catch one of these shadow creatures out of the corner of one's eye due to some trick of the light, but the person who claims to have seen these things right in front of them with glowing red eyes is either A. crazy or B. a media whore.
Well, I'm not going to try and convince anyone that what I'm saying is the truth. I've seen these 'things' probably nearly 20 times in my life. First when I was 4, then a 15 year dry spell, and started seeing them again back in december. Seven people in my family claim to have seen the same things at one point or another. I didn't even know other people saw stuff like that until I started searching online.

I was sitting one night, typing up a post in this forum when I saw one in the hallway beside me; I probably watched it stand there in the corner of my eye for 15 seconds. Before that, on december 23rd between 4:30am and 5am. The power was out and I had just lain down in bed. I saw one come down the hall, stop, duck under the doorway to my room, come over to my bedside and look down at me. (I guess it knew I saw it, or something) I know it wasn't night terrors because I had literally just lain down AND I sat up in bed. The damn thing was nine feet tall.

I admit I could be seeing things, but they all seemed all too real to me. Calling BS is completely logical, though. And when did I ever claim to not be crazy? :wink:
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Posted: 7/2/2005 4:14:47 AM     Post subject:  

The reason I don't read these fucking articles is that the one thing I'm deathly afraid of is the complete darkness. A little light, and I'm fine, a nightlight, light under the crack of the door, the moon, the stars, etc.

But if the power goes out at night, and the blinds are closed, and I'm alone, I freak the fuck out. I start seeing shit, and if I don't find a candle or a flashlight soon enough I start to go into batshit mode. I find the nearest thing that might serve as a weapon, back into a corner, close my eyes, and listen for movement in the house.

This works, at least until I start to think that the walls are trying to eat me. I am not joking.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 6:41:23 AM     Post subject:  

Huh. Interesting. Assuming you do see (or think you see) shadow people and aren't just bullshitting us, what do you make of them? You seem awful nonchalant for someone getting menaced by giant shadow monsters with glowing red eyes. Do you get a sense of their intentions or anything?
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Posted: 7/2/2005 7:11:06 AM     Post subject: SMELLS LIKE BAD SPIRITS  

Huh. Interesting. Assuming you do see (or think you see) shadow people and aren't just bullshitting us, what do you make of them? You seem awful nonchalant for someone getting menaced by giant shadow monsters with glowing red eyes. Do you get a sense of their intentions or anything?
They're not menacing, it's just unnerving sometimes. Of the one that actually looked at me, I never got the feeling that it was evil, it was a very nostalgic feeling; like meeting someone you haven't seen 10 years. (I know that's weird.) It's not that extreme, paralizing, pressure that evil spirits give off.

I think these things just like to watch people. But it still creeps me out to think they might be watching.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 9:15:32 AM     Post subject: Re: SMELLS LIKE BAD SPIRITS  

Huh. Interesting. Assuming you do see (or think you see) shadow people and aren't just bullshitting us, what do you make of them? You seem awful nonchalant for someone getting menaced by giant shadow monsters with glowing red eyes. Do you get a sense of their intentions or anything?
They're not menacing, it's just unnerving sometimes. Of the one that actually looked at me, I never got the feeling that it was evil, it was a very nostalgic feeling; like meeting someone you haven't seen 10 years. (I know that's weird.) It's not that extreme, paralizing, pressure that evil spirits give off.

I think these things just like to watch people. But it still creeps me out to think they might be watching.


Have you ever read "The Encyclopedia of Things that Never Were?" It's a pretty comprehensive resource on folklore, mythology, and fantasy, and what you're describing sounds a lot like the entry for "The Watchers," in the "Things of the Night" section.

Also, you describe encounters with evil spirits like you've had them. Any stories there? I've woken from night terrors certain that there's something in the room; is that similar to the feeling?

Though I can't think of any interesting supernatural encounters I've had, unless you count ouija boards.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 2:54:30 PM     Post subject: Re: SMELLS LIKE BAD SPIRITS  

Have you ever read "The Encyclopedia of Things that Never Were?" It's a pretty comprehensive resource on folklore, mythology, and fantasy, and what you're describing sounds a lot like the entry for "The Watchers," in the "Things of the Night" section.
I actually did a little research on "the watchers" three or four days ago. But I don't really know much about them besides it's possible that they're what people have been seeing.

Also, you describe encounters with evil spirits like you've had them. Any stories there? I've woken from night terrors certain that there's something in the room; is that similar to the feeling?.
Well, I'm pretty sure most people see things when they first wake up. I've pretty much ruled that out to the mind being half awake. (I've seen some strange stuff when waking up, too.) But yeah, I've literally 'ran into' them a couple times. Typicly, I'd be walking around in my house and turn the corner and BAM. Frozen mid-step by this incredible pressure that made it hard to breathe. There are alot of people that say this feeling is what it's like to be in the presence of pure evil. ...A few times, I stood there until whatever it was went away. Most of the time, they'd let out this inhuman roar which has almost made me collapse a few times.

All that said, I'll tell you guys one comforting fact. Light usually keeps these things away or scares them off when they're around.

God, you guys must think I'm crazy now. :(
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Posted: 7/2/2005 3:17:10 PM     Post subject: Re: SMELLS LIKE BAD SPIRITS  

God, you guys must think I'm crazy now. :(

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Posted: 7/3/2005 7:05:48 PM     Post subject:  

Being crazy is, you know, sort of requisite for standing this close to the fandom. Everything else follows naturally.
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Posted: 7/4/2005 7:07:18 PM     Post subject:  

I didn't even know other people saw stuff like that until I started searching online.

I have. And until you mention this I thought I was the only one (otherwise I wouldn't be posting here).

I was sitting one night, typing up a post in this forum when I saw one in the hallway beside me; I probably watched it stand there in the corner of my eye for 15 seconds.

Ditto. One fanciful idea is that perhaps this forum, its subject matter and the type of people it attracts are flirting with the darkest sides of EVIL, but who would believe that?

I admit I could be seeing things, but they all seemed all too real to me. Calling BS is completely logical, though. And when did I ever claim to not be crazy? :wink:


My idea is that they're misfirings in the brain. All human perception is basically countless electrical impulses shooting around in a spongy mass of protein between your ears; these pulses are active 24 hours a day for a persons entire life, and present in every member of the human population -with all its permutations and irregularities. Even for an otherwise healthy brain it wouldn't be unrealistic to expect having an occasional misfire take place.

And of course, being that our entire perception of reality is relient on that little gray sponge, we're sort of screwed in that it can 'be' as real as real can be, and still be totaly non-existant.

This works, at least until I start to think that the walls are trying to eat me. I am not joking.

Tripping on any drugs lately? Anyway, it's not the walls but the hands that come out of the walls that you have to beware of. Those suckers are grabby...
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Posted: 7/5/2005 1:17:56 PM     Post subject:  


This works, at least until I start to think that the walls are trying to eat me. I am not joking.

Tripping on any drugs lately? Anyway, it's not the walls but the hands that come out of the walls that you have to beware of. Those suckers are grabby...


Oh god, those fucking hands. GET OUT OF MY HEAD SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP :x
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Posted: 7/25/2005 2:29:28 PM     Post subject:  

Last week, the commander of the African Union peacekeeping force in Darfur, Festus Okonkwo, told the BBC that there had been no major attacks in the region since January and that there had also been a reduction in attacks on villages.

But US aid official Andrew Natsios said this was chiefly because there were no villages left to burn down.

Sometimes, life just gives these to you.
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Posted: 7/27/2005 10:52:31 PM     Post subject:  

What Africa needs is PMCs. Private Military Contarctors and Companies.

http://hir.harvard.edu/articles/index.html?id=942

EO had a plan to train a Sierra Leon army...

But since EO worked so well at keeping the peace and made the UN look like the crappy good for nothings they are, they complained and got the US and several countries to tell EO to leave Sierra Leon for political reasons... and because it made them look bad.

Was talking with a few of my fathers friends and my own friends... we might start our own PMC or Consulting firm. A few Marines and Ex-Navy Seals can make a hell of a difference.
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Posted: 7/28/2005 1:41:52 AM     Post subject:  

Back on that shadow people thing, It's probably in your head. Now I'm not saying "HAHA, YOUS CAAAAZY!" I just saying how your brain works is really interesting. Like seeing things. Your eye isn't that great. There's only a small, high-definition dot in the centre and the rest is blurry and mis-coloured. The brain fills in the gaps from memory so you just get an appearance of a full, sharp picture. That's why your eye darts around even if your staring at a static picture. It's updating the mental image. Of course it's not fool proof. That's the main reason you can look for something that's under your nose and never see it. Your brain is using a metal image that might be days old of the table that doesn’t include your keys sitting on top of it, and thus you can stare at the table many times and never see the keys. Also, if your brain is lacking some information on a scene, it'll happily fill in the gaps with just about anything. It'll take something in your memory that COULD be there and shoves it in to fill the gap. Of course some more open minded people can imagine more interesting things that could be there.

One time I saw a small dog in the corner of my eye that was really a duster left in the hallway. God knows what my brain was doing because I've never owned a dog but my brain decided that this shape was a dog until I got a real look at it.

Also there's the good old, REM sleep while awake. Your brain reorganising itself while you're awake freaks the crap out of people who see it.
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RailFoxen
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Posted: 7/29/2005 9:17:56 PM     Post subject:  

I'm making this the 'LOL AFRICA' thread. Because too much damn funny shit goes down on that continent.

Why doesn't the US do more in Africa? They have nothing of value to offer us.

A Kenyan says he offered Bill Clinton 40 goats and 20 cows for his daughter's hand in marriage five years ago -- and is still waiting for an answer.

Uh oh, Slick Willie's giving him the silent treatment! Not good enough for Chelsea, huh? Think your goats are better?
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AngryPuritan
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Posted: 7/29/2005 10:10:01 PM     Post subject:  

A Kenyan says he offered Bill Clinton 40 goats and 20 cows for his daughter's hand in marriage five years ago -- and is still waiting for an answer.


That's great, although I don't know why the African assumed Clinton would be single after his second term. The sad part is that to him, that IS a great dowery.

I see someone making a joke about Clinton just keeping the goats in the near future.
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Monkey King
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Posted: 7/30/2005 1:33:55 AM     Post subject:  

That must be one desperate Kenyan to have held out all this time, thinking he's going to get an answer after five years. I don't know how things work in the bush, but I'm reasonably certain that if someone doesn't get back to you after offering such a huge dowery, he's probably not interested.
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Troggler
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Posted: 7/30/2005 4:44:42 AM     Post subject:  

I'm sure Bill would much rather hold out for an offer on Hillary.
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RailFoxen
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Posted: 8/15/2005 8:57:01 PM     Post subject:  

Update to the original topic: seems the pirates are still holding the crew and cargo. And we'll see if the WFP makes good on its threat to blacklist that area of the country for the next ten years.

Probably a not-fun month and a half for the crew.
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Jigg
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Posted: 8/15/2005 10:52:23 PM     Post subject:  

Got ninjas?
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Barry Scott
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Posted: 8/16/2005 12:58:32 AM     Post subject:  

Got ninjas?


Good first post there! Well done!
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Mastertran
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Posted: 8/21/2005 12:27:42 AM     Post subject:  

Was talking with a few of my fathers friends and my own friends... we might start our own PMC or Consulting firm. A few Marines and Ex-Navy Seals can make a hell of a difference.




Like cutting off baby arms?
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OMG-NEWB!~!!!
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Posted: 8/21/2005 11:25:58 PM     Post subject:  

No like murdering those ass-hole pirates.

Might get to do work closer to home, the Mexican Amry is looking to kill off some more of those durned drug dealers.

Seems they want them away from the borders on Texas at the moment.

Not sure why.
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