Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

JD_mcKenna · Qualificator Joined: 27 Aug 2005 Posts: 18

Priest ordered to prove existance of Jesus

MagnusSkin · Prattler Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 114

Like watching babies playing with power tools. I can't wait to see a transcript of that preceeding.

JD_mcKenna · Qualificator Joined: 27 Aug 2005 Posts: 18

Like watching babies playing with power tools. I can't wait to see a transcript of that preceeding.

I'm gonna be surprised if the Judge rules in favor of the priest. It goes against my faith to say so, but there's no true proof of Jesus, it's a matter of faith. We believe, even though the facts (outside of the Bible) say no.

peppersprayed · Vociferator Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 420

Jesus existed, there's actually very little debate there.

but that's not really the big question is it.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

Jesus existed, there's actually very little debate there.

Actually... there is. There are no actual historical records about Jesus. He is only mentioned after his death by contemporary writers in the Gospels. All later sources (including the rest of the New Testament) are building on the Gospels, and are essentially hearsay. Albert Schweitzer, himself a Christian, examined all available sources in his book "The Quest of the Historical Jesus" and concluded that there is no proof Jesus existed. It's a matter of belief (which in a way is a point in itself).

(Not that I have any stakes in that discussion, or any opinion either way, I just think it's interesting.)

peppersprayed · Vociferator Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 420

Jesus existed, there's actually very little debate there.

Actually... there is. There are no actual historical records about Jesus. He is only mentioned after his death by contemporary writers in the Gospels. All later sources (including the rest of the New Testament) are building on the Gospels, and are essentially hearsay. Albert Schweitzer, himself a Christian, examined all available sources in his book "The Quest of the Historical Jesus" and concluded that there is no proof Jesus existed. It's a matter of belief (which in a way is a point in itself).

(Not that I have any stakes in that discussion, or any opinion either way, I just think it's interesting.)

you would think it would have some basis in fact though

I mean it would be really funny if the whole religion was based on the teachings of a guy who didn't even exist.

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1267

Jesus existed. He's in the Bible so he must have existed.

Ten points to any house who can name the fallacy in this statement.

Zod God · Prattler Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 113

Militant athiests are just as flippant, pissant, and irriatating as the most zealous christian.

IceCat · Venter Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 251

Christiananity stole everything from other pevious beliefs, and pagan cults.

ChildEatingMonster · Prattler Joined: 08 May 2005 Posts: 107

Jesus existed. He's in the Bible so he must have existed.

Ten points to any house who can name the fallacy in this statement.

I don't think houses browse on the internet.

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 287

Christiananity stole everything from other pevious beliefs, and pagan cults.

I don't take any page that uses the words "Dead Guy" anywhere to be serious or intellectual. Also, it's an internet website which means it's 100% more likely to be full of bullshit. Of course, people who dedicate their whole existance to disproving the existance are just as pathetic as the maniacs who blow themselves up in the name of God.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

Jesus existed. He's in the Bible so he must have existed.

Ten points to any house who can name the fallacy in this statement.

The best is essays which detail why Jesus existed based upon the eye-witnesses from the Bible. On this logic, Batman and Superman also exist.

Of course, yes, Jesus was a title back then, not a name, and many may have had it and yadda yadda...

www.jesusneverexisted.com

But all in all, you have to ask whether or not he existed, whether or not he was the son of God... What does it matter if his message was good?

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 287

But all in all, you have to ask whether or not he existed, whether or not he was the son of God... What does it matter if his message was good?

Because otherwise we will end up like a godless state like the Soviet Union where there's nothing higher up to justify the right of life. Then again, I hate communism so. :>

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

But all in all, you have to ask whether or not he existed, whether or not he was the son of God... What does it matter if his message was good?

Because otherwise we will end up like a godless state like the Soviet Union where there's nothing higher up to justify the right of life. Then again, I hate communism so. :>

But then you are responsibilitiless. One can infer from your statements that without a parent-like God to spell out in writing right and wrong, that you would just be an animal only checked by your cowardice and only motivated by your Hedonism. According to your logic, no Atheist has ever existed who has lived a productive or meaningful life. I view Dr. Asimov as an example and know that not to be true.

If a higher being exists, I don't hate him, but I know that one of the following isn't compatible with the other two:

-An all good God.
-An all present God.
-An all powerful God.

Moonbeam · Qualificator Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 30

Christiananity stole everything from other pevious beliefs, and pagan cults.

I don't take any page that uses the words "Dead Guy" anywhere to be serious or intellectual. Also, it's an internet website which means it's 100% more likely to be full of bullshit. Of course, people who dedicate their whole existance to disproving the existance are just as pathetic as the maniacs who blow themselves up in the name of God.

Eh, the parts about Mithras and Dionysos are broadly true, but there are way better places to get information about that than teh intarweb. I couldn't be arsed to see if they cited their sources; I just happen to know about Mithras and Dionysos from personal research. Julian the Apostate had a whole lot to say about it.

I think the whole court case is dumb, though. I'm sick of people trying to "prove" religion. There's no point to it. In my arrogant and godlike opinion, of course. :lol:

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

It is folly to try and 'prove' religion not because of the risk of failure so much as the risk of success. You see, if you prove 100% beyond any shadow of a doubt that there is a God, you ruin the entire concept of Faith. Thereby, dooming religion. God ceases to be worshipped as the extraordinary and just becomes another face in the crowd of celebrities.

TheBobSays · Venter Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 260

It is folly to try and 'prove' religion not because of the risk of failure so much as the risk of success. You see, if you prove 100% beyond any shadow of a doubt that there is a God, you ruin the entire concept of Faith. Thereby, dooming religion. God ceases to be worshipped as the extraordinary and just becomes another face in the crowd of celebrities.

Oh God. Is this going to end in a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy quote?

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

Of course, yes, Jesus was a title back then, not a name, and many may have had it and yadda yadda...

Yeshua is a Jewish name alright (Jesus? no "Jesus", of course). I think you maybe meant Christi.

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

www.jesusneverexisted.com

Holy fucking shit. The history of Christianity... I knew most of these facts, but reading them all in one place is another thing. So much pure, unbound evil.

I actually stopped reading about a torture and execution methods. You know, I don't consider myself "soft", I read a lot abot death camps and stuff, it's just too much already.

But one thing, Hitler wasn't a Catholic. He and his gang were pagans actually, believing in an old German gods and various occult. He actually ordered the Pope to be kidnapped (by ninjas) in the final days of Nazi occupation of Rome, but SS general secretly warned Vatican about the plot.

(Still, head of a Nazi puppet government of fascist Slovakia was a catholic priest bend of exterminating Jews, for example. And other stuff no one cares about but a history nerds.)

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1267

I don't think houses browse on the internet.

Obviously you weren't aware of the fact that sorting hat has placed you in Yiffindor.

Monkey King · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 488

Sheesh. As many times as the "50 points from Yiffindor" joke gets passed around here, and you still had to spell it out.

I can appreciate what these guys are doing, but they're attacking the problem from the wrong angle. Destroying people's faith is not the way to help them; Destroying the bastards in the clergy who take people's faith and exploit it for their own ends is the way to do it.

Once again, the anti-religious crowd misses the point and tries to throw the baby out with the bath water. Religious institutions are corrupt, and therefore they ALL must be inherently corrupt, so none should be allowed. :roll:

raygirl · Prattler Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 198

I can appreciate what these guys are doing, but they're attacking the problem from the wrong angle. Destroying people's faith is not the way to help them; Destroying the bastards in the clergy who take people's faith and exploit it for their own ends is the way to do it.

Hear hear. Did anyone watch the movie 'The Man Who Sued God?'. The whole premice of the film was turning the tables on companies that exploit Gods name for money

Goofy · Vociferator Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 316

Oh God. Is this going to end in a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy quote?

Someone recently married a dolphin in Israel.

And when they divorce, the dolphin will say, "So long and thanks for all the fish!"

BOOM-CHING I'M LIKE A GEEKIER VERSION OF LENO

raygirl · Prattler Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 198

Oh God. Is this going to end in a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy quote?

Someone recently married a dolphin in Israel.

And when they divorce, the dolphin will say, "So long and thanks for all the fish!"

BOOM-CHING I'M LIKE A GEEKIER VERSION OF LENO

OH GOD IT HURTS

Somebody put me out of my misery

TheBobSays · Venter Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 260

Oh God. Is this going to end in a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy quote?

Someone recently married a dolphin in Israel.

And when they divorce, the dolphin will say, "So long and thanks for all the fish!"

BOOM-CHING I'M LIKE A GEEKIER VERSION OF LENO

OH GOD IT HURTS

Somebody put me out of my misery

Here I was, thinking the Babelfish quote would be brought out. And then this comes along, which makes me think the Digital Watch is a "pretty neat idea".

So when's your comedy tour with 2 booked?

nopedestrian · Prattler Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 142

Jesus existed, there's actually very little debate there.

Actually... there is. There are no actual historical records about Jesus. He is only mentioned after his death by contemporary writers in the Gospels. All later sources (including the rest of the New Testament) are building on the Gospels, and are essentially hearsay. Albert Schweitzer, himself a Christian, examined all available sources in his book "The Quest of the Historical Jesus" and concluded that there is no proof Jesus existed. It's a matter of belief (which in a way is a point in itself).

(Not that I have any stakes in that discussion, or any opinion either way, I just think it's interesting.)

Not to mention that the very early Christians argued amongst themselves about whether or not he existed here in the flesh. You don't see much of that anymore.

peppersprayed · Vociferator Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 420

Jesus existed, there's actually very little debate there.

Actually... there is. There are no actual historical records about Jesus. He is only mentioned after his death by contemporary writers in the Gospels. All later sources (including the rest of the New Testament) are building on the Gospels, and are essentially hearsay. Albert Schweitzer, himself a Christian, examined all available sources in his book "The Quest of the Historical Jesus" and concluded that there is no proof Jesus existed. It's a matter of belief (which in a way is a point in itself).

(Not that I have any stakes in that discussion, or any opinion either way, I just think it's interesting.)

Not to mention that the very early Christians argued amongst themselves about whether or not he existed here in the flesh. You don't see much of that anymore.

I never ever heard any of this... of course I live in Tennessee and we don't like that sort o talk round here.

I feel sheltered

nopedestrian · Prattler Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 142

I never ever heard any of this... of course I live in Tennessee and we don't like that sort o talk round here.

I feel sheltered

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic_Christianity

Wikipedia, you've been so good to me. :' (

Bag Full o' Money · Qualificator Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 31

Jesus existed, there's actually very little debate there.

Actually... there is. There are no actual historical records about Jesus. He is only mentioned after his death by contemporary writers in the Gospels. All later sources (including the rest of the New Testament) are building on the Gospels, and are essentially hearsay. Albert Schweitzer, himself a Christian, examined all available sources in his book "The Quest of the Historical Jesus" and concluded that there is no proof Jesus existed. It's a matter of belief (which in a way is a point in itself).

(Not that I have any stakes in that discussion, or any opinion either way, I just think it's interesting.)

There may not be indisputable proof, but there are contemporary mentions of Jesus in non-Christian sources.

The first century Jewish historian Josephus mentioned Jesus in his work The Antiquities, which was a history of the Jews from creation to his time.

Jesus was also mentioned in writings by the first century Roman historian Tacitus, and a few passages in the Jewish Talmud that negatively depict Jesus as a sorcerer.

MissMab · Qualificator Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

Bah proof. There are people who don't even believe in dinosaurs despite big ole bones being dug up...or that the Concentration Camps ever happened despite obvious proof.

Frankly speaking, I find that religion or lack of thereof isnt really the deciding factor in what makes a person corrupt or a dumbass. I think some people are just naturally gullable jerks and they just manage to gravitate towards a particular sector where the little seeds of assholeness can blossom and bring forth stupidity...be that sector a religion, a fandom, politics, or whatever their little hearts desire.

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

Jesus was also mentioned in writings by the first century Roman historian Tacitus, and a few passages in the Jewish Talmud that negatively depict Jesus as a sorcerer.

Jesusneverexisted dot com dealt with all these sources and dismissed 'em. And as a ex-history student, I'd say they did it convincing enough.

For example, the Jewish stuff was just an anti-Christian black propaganda. (Magic doesn't exist too, you know.)

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

Jesus existed, there's actually very little debate there.

Actually... there is. There are no actual historical records about Jesus. He is only mentioned after his death by contemporary writers in the Gospels. All later sources (including the rest of the New Testament) are building on the Gospels, and are essentially hearsay. Albert Schweitzer, himself a Christian, examined all available sources in his book "The Quest of the Historical Jesus" and concluded that there is no proof Jesus existed. It's a matter of belief (which in a way is a point in itself).

(Not that I have any stakes in that discussion, or any opinion either way, I just think it's interesting.)

There may not be indisputable proof, but there are contemporary mentions of Jesus in non-Christian sources.

The first century Jewish historian Josephus mentioned Jesus in his work The Antiquities, which was a history of the Jews from creation to his time.

Jesus was also mentioned in writings by the first century Roman historian Tacitus, and a few passages in the Jewish Talmud that negatively depict Jesus as a sorcerer.

Neither Josephus nor Tacitus were contemporary sources. Jesus was crucified years before either man was born; they didn't publish their historical works until some 60 years after. Both only had second-hand sources on Jesus.

Again, just sayin'. It neither proves nor disproves anything.

peppersprayed · Vociferator Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 420

Jesus existed, there's actually very little debate there.

Actually... there is. There are no actual historical records about Jesus. He is only mentioned after his death by contemporary writers in the Gospels. All later sources (including the rest of the New Testament) are building on the Gospels, and are essentially hearsay. Albert Schweitzer, himself a Christian, examined all available sources in his book "The Quest of the Historical Jesus" and concluded that there is no proof Jesus existed. It's a matter of belief (which in a way is a point in itself).

(Not that I have any stakes in that discussion, or any opinion either way, I just think it's interesting.)

There may not be indisputable proof, but there are contemporary mentions of Jesus in non-Christian sources.

The first century Jewish historian Josephus mentioned Jesus in his work The Antiquities, which was a history of the Jews from creation to his time.

Jesus was also mentioned in writings by the first century Roman historian Tacitus, and a few passages in the Jewish Talmud that negatively depict Jesus as a sorcerer.

Neither Josephus nor Tacitus were contemporary sources. Jesus was crucified years before either man was born; they didn't publish their historical works until some 60 years after. Both only had second-hand sources on Jesus.

Again, just sayin'. It neither proves nor disproves anything.

But this all brings up the question, where did the religion originate... someone had to found, it there had to be a first guy to claim any of this was true. If there was no jesus where did christianity actually get started?

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

But this all brings up the question, where did the religion originate... someone had to found, it there had to be a first guy to claim any of this was true. If there was no jesus where did christianity actually get started?

But then you'd have to bring up that question with all religions. The fact Buddhism exists doesn't prove there must've been a fat bald guy named Buddha, nor does the fact that Greek Mythology existed once prove that there was a guy named Hercules.

Fact is not a democractic concept.

MissMab · Qualificator Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

Christianity happened when Jewish people realized bacon is really freaking tasty. :O

At least thats my theory.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

Christianity happened when Jewish people realized bacon is really freaking tasty. :O

At least thats my theory.

FORESKINS AND PORK FOR EVERYBODY!

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

Christianity happened when Jewish people realized bacon is really freaking tasty. :O

At least thats my theory.

FORESKINS AND PORK FOR EVERYBODY!

WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY MAKE PORK RINDS OUT OF?

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

But this all brings up the question, where did the religion originate... someone had to found, it there had to be a first guy to claim any of this was true. If there was no jesus where did christianity actually get started?

You know how this s-f author started Scientology by telling people about a guy chained to a volcano by aliens or something?

But then you'd have to bring up that question with all religions. The fact Buddhism exists doesn't prove there must've been a fat bald guy named Buddha, nor does the fact that Greek Mythology existed once prove that there was a guy named Hercules.

Fact is not a democractic concept.

I don't know about Buddha (really, I just don't know, because of zero research), but I'm pretty sure (say) Muhammed existed. And as for Hercules & Co, do you know about Rob Liefeld's comic about Jesus fighing Roman gods? I'd see it in a new light completely now.

He bested Hercules!

Goofy · Vociferator Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 316

So when's your comedy tour with 2 booked?

take my wife please thank you ladies and germs try the veal don't forget to tip your waitress WOKKA WOKKA WOKKA

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

do you know about Rob Liefeld's comic about Jesus fighing Roman gods?

Oh yeah. Godyssey. (The gods are Greek, btw.) It's one of the most ludicrous things I've ever read. I laughed my butt off, but I don't think that was what Liefeld intended. That man makes supremely crappy comics.

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/050327/godysseypage1.jpg
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/050327/godysseypage2.jpg
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/050327/godysseypage3.jpg
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/050327/godysseypages4and5.jpg
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/050327/godysseypage6.jpg
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