Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 732

So then. Eric Bauman is a thief who takes content from other sites to put on eBaum's World, right? At least, that's what the critics say. He recently put up this animation from YTMND. Whoops.

The entire YTMND community, along with people from Newgrounds, FARK, Something Awful, 4chan, GameFAQS, and other web communities launched a "raid" on eBaum's World. They spammed, pinged, and fucked around with the DDoS, even going so far as to give prank calls and vandalize eBaum's World headquarters. The mass hack failed, but still no word on the damage done.

I would like to give a hearty handshake to YTMND before slapping them silly and asking what the hell is wrong with them.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

So someone took about 5 images, likely from magazines who originally had copyrights on them, and made a YTMND, which Bauman's cronies uploaded without the YTMND watermarks, and people think... THAT is the OMG STOELED moment of the century.

Wait it go Farkers, Goons and Ytmnd punks for becoming the whiney furries you mocked just years before. It's the internet after all, do we have nothing better to do?

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

Are they creating e-annoyance to Eric batman?

Beauty of Nature · Venter Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 246

Isn't it wonderful how mature some people handle their small disputes on the internetz ?

ChildEatingMonster · Prattler Joined: 08 May 2005 Posts: 107

I found a screenshot of erics text reaction to the whole fiasco. http://img1n03.exs.cx/img1773/4048/cthi334vj.jpg

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

So someone took about 5 images, likely from magazines who originally had copyrights on them, and made a YTMND, which Bauman's cronies uploaded without the YTMND watermarks, and people think... THAT is the OMG STOELED moment of the century.

Wait it go Farkers, Goons and Ytmnd punks for becoming the whiney furries you mocked just years before. It's the internet after all, do we have nothing better to do?

Exactly! It's really pathetic. I mean, come on. this is KAK-stuff.
"YUO STOLEDED MY PICSHURE I LAWSUITE U!"
Only with Goons. 8D

MissMab · Qualificator Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

I got stuck watching the whole thing mainly cause I usually like seeing some of the latest YTMND's. It started with one person going "omg! Ebaum took one of our ideas!" and it went into full-tilt drama.

Overall what seems to have (and most likely did happen) was someone ganked the YTMND concept, then gave it to Ebaum saying it was theirs (because everyone loves getting attention for work not their own) and the Ebaum site never being one to actually check to make sure the content was in fact not ganked put it up...thus getting everyone in a miff.

It was kind of like that magazine advertisement where you have this guy coming towards a hornet nest with a weedwhacker. Overall pretty amusing but a waste of time. Both sides will probably simmer down and no one will care until the next drama happens.

AlbinoHagfish · Venter Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 201

I love my SA. I really, really do. But I don't get this Ebaums tyrade. My friend Neil/Trapezzoid helped with the animation against it, whatever. He's a good dude, but all the same his animutations are all rehashed copyrighted pics. I don't get it.
Recent SA threads about it have been treated with disdain though, so us Goons really aren't as stupid as all that.

vanilla rin · Apocrisiary Joined: 03 Jul 2005 Posts: 45

SA has nothing to do with any of that (neither does YTMND, officially). But as with all large internet communities, there are crossovers-- as well as stupid members who embarass their peers.

For more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YTMND#.22YTMND-Day.22_.28World_Wide_Web_War_1.29
at the bottom of the page.

It's depressing to think that such a douche (eBaum) makes literally millions of dollars off this stuff, but this whole thing is getting boring. Where's the good drama?

I need internet drama to offset my drama-free real life.

nopedestrian · Prattler Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 142

So then. Eric Bauman is a thief who takes content from other sites to put on eBaum's World, right?

Please, please don't be like the furries. :(

As heelarious as this e-attack and his responses to it are (CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS HAVE BEEN VANDALIZED GUYS), the complaints about him soul raeping everyone he takes funny pictures from just makes my soul die a little. If somebody cares that much about their flash or photograph then they should have gone through the same copyright process that everyone else has to. If they didn't then it's their own damned fault.

They should have messed with Ebaum just for laffs. All of this stupid drama ruins it for me and I think for most people. Who cares.

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 287

Bauman is a faggot. It's funny cause YTMND actually managed to pull down something that he stole. And unlike furries, Bauman is making over a million a year from stolen content. I think he bought a $150,000 house and the corporate office was worth $850,000. And yes, despite all the jokes it's an actual office on the 5th floor of some shitty building.

Anyways, there's a huge GBS shitfest going over at SA with EW-spy MGunit trying to stalk the people who taped up the pictures... (OH NOES, cyber-terrorists)

Abysmal Pea · Qualificator Joined: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 23

The fact that they broke into a fucking office over a .gif file is stupid.

In fact, it's beyond stupid. If anyone can think of a less intelligent crime, by all means, let me know, because I'm drawing blanks.

MissMab · Qualificator Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

Really the "break in" was that a couple guys went to where the office was and posted a paper of an ascii Luigi riding a Yoshi on the door along with the equivalent of "YTMND Rulz!"

Still pretty stupid and illigal, but hardly professional and or damaging. There was probably more damage from them screwing the forums. Really the whole thing is overblown, but considering the furry fandom and the amount of times I've seen artists go into spirally angst over them owning the copyright of wing-piercings or whatever...nevermind. The whole internet is stupid regardless of what fantard class ones in.

Foxid · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 305

This whole BS sounds, to me, like jealousy. EBaum was smart enough to capitalize on work that was being freely distributed. That might make him an asshole, but it also makes him a crapload of cash.

The Goons and YTMNDers are just pissy because they didn't think of it first.

At least nobody is yelling LAWSUITE. Yet.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

This whole BS sounds, to me, like jealousy.

I have to agree with this sentiment. No matter what Fredryk Phox may tell you, it all boils down to who is heartless enough to seize a market. Capitalism, love it or leave it.

At least nobody is yelling LAWSUITE. Yet.

Oh, what would an internet bitchslap fest be without legal dickwaving? I've seen the 'legality' argument brought up over this one time too many, namely at the end of the 'eBaumsworldsucks' flash. I think we should start buying up a number of ears and tails for the goons who are pursuing this. They'll need them shortly if it keeps up.

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 287

This whole BS sounds, to me, like jealousy. EBaum was smart enough to capitalize on work that was being freely distributed. That might make him an asshole, but it also makes him a crapload of cash.

The Goons and YTMNDers are just pissy because they didn't think of it first.

At least nobody is yelling LAWSUITE. Yet.

No, see this work is NOT freely distributed. It's stolen content from people who work to make flashes. Bauman takes content that's become a fad on the internet, removes all signs of the original author as poses it as his own and then uses the hits on his website to rake in money. SA goons don't go around stealing shit on the forums either, all the faggots asking for warez, MP3s, etc are banned. :<

God forbid I went around and did this to furry artists - I would create the biggest shitstorm know to man considering how touchy furries are about just having their art posted on F-chan. Mind you the difference is that no one is trying to pass an artist's art off as someone else's. No one makes over a million dollars from ads from furry art either.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

eBaum:Goons::Sibe:Furries

Kadius · Needs to get out more Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 921

eBaum:Goons::Sibe:Furries

No. Not quite. As far as I know, Sibe doesn't make $$$ from ripping people off.

Ebaum:freely distributed work::bottling companies:water

Barry Scott · Prattler Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 165

The fact that they broke into a fucking office over a .gif file is stupid.

In fact, it's beyond stupid. If anyone can think of a less intelligent crime, by all means, let me know, because I'm drawing blanks.

Go nuts

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1267

If only Sibe had the genius to make a site that had pay ads and hosted stolen furry content. But no, that would require intelligence. Furthermore, the general online Flash community (SA, YTMND, Weebl and Newgrounds among others) is a much bigger fish to fry than furry since furry rarely if ever makes good flash content, the stuff you'd want to see on a site supported by banner ads. I think Ebaum is the clear winner here.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

Ebaum:freely distributed work::bottling companies:water

So when is the massive hack-attack of Poland Spring going down?

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 287

I don't think most people understand how much money Bauman makes off his website. :<

Xarai · Coadjutor Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 94

All you people cheering ebaum on might want to know that he DDoS'd SA shortly after the shitstorm started. He's an asshole, period.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

I don't think most people understand how much money Bauman makes off his website. :<

Rich people are very rarely nice people. Trump is an utter motherfucker who screws virtually everyone who deals with him, especially the sub contractors and blue collar construction workers who build his damn casinos.

If you hate an asshole because he's an asshole, you've got integrity, if you hate him because he's just rich off his assholing, you've got jealousy.

All you people cheering ebaum on might want to know that he DDoS'd SA shortly after the shitstorm started. He's an asshole, period.

Counterpoint: This is indeed the internet. Assholes and tough guys here are kind of a given. He is an asshole, but that doesn't mean there is a serious lawsuite potential here.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

As heelarious as this e-attack and his responses to it are (CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS HAVE BEEN VANDALIZED GUYS), the complaints about him soul raeping everyone he takes funny pictures from just makes my soul die a little. If somebody cares that much about their flash or photograph then they should have gone through the same copyright process that everyone else has to. If they didn't then it's their own damned fault.

For the record, you don't don't need to go through any "copyright process". You automatically have the copyright to any published, tangible creative work you make. In the US (and only in the US) you can also register your work with the copyright office, but that's just something that gives you better proof if you ever need to go to court, it doesn't change the nature of your copyright.

That said - that it's a stolen YTMND of all things that got this retard-o-rama drama started is the epitome of stupid. YTMNDs are almost invariably made of other people's photos, art and music, and are, as such, copyright violations.

EBAUM STOLE MY YTMND THAT I MADE UP FROM ART & MUSIC I STOLE FROM SOMEONE ELSE!!! OMG LAWSWEET!

LoKi is right, what EBaum steals isn't freely distributed, but it's also not something that represents a source of income for the authors. Copyright law is about money, not SOUL REAP. If EBaum stealing your flash does not mean you suffer an actual economic loss, you do not have a case.

Like AngryPuritan said, Bauman is a clever asshole who makes money off other people - but they can't do a damn thing about it legally.

In conclusion: LOL.

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

In conclusion, Eric Bauman should be shot. Eat the riches! Red Faction!

nopedestrian · Prattler Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 142

I don't think most people understand how much money Bauman makes off his website. :<

Sounds like Loki's lost his Yiddish cup. :(

nopedestrian · Prattler Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 142

For the record, you don't don't need to go through any "copyright process". You automatically have the copyright to any published, tangible creative work you make. In the US (and only in the US) you can also register your work with the copyright office, but that's just something that gives you better proof if you ever need to go to court, it doesn't change the nature of your copyright.

Well, as I understand it technically if you can prove beyond a doubt that someone stole your great creation and used it in order to make money, this is against the law. But in reality this never holds up in court because registration is such a simple part of being professional. IMO, it's stupid to make a video of your cat licking himself in some amusing manner, distribute it all over the forums that you frequent, then act like a sore loser when someone posts it on a big site.

If YTMND and the whole gang really wanted to destroy Eric, they would stop raiding his forums, pool their money and take him to court as a group. But ahh, internet. Never change. :roll:

Barry Scott · Prattler Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 165

For the record, you don't don't need to go through any "copyright process". You automatically have the copyright to any published, tangible creative work you make. In the US (and only in the US) you can also register your work with the copyright office, but that's just something that gives you better proof if you ever need to go to court, it doesn't change the nature of your copyright.

You can do it in the UK too and all the countries that signed up for this. While copyrights and patents carry the same legal weight in these countries, like I've mentioned before, it's stupidly easy to them passed in the US, so everyone registers there.

Beauty of Nature · Venter Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 246

Ebaum, hero of capitalism.
There are far bigger assholes in the industries of this world.
What he did has not cost anyones job or financial future.
So it is ok in my book.
I would have done the exact same thing in his situation.
If I had to choose between money and some idiots being mad at me on the internet, then I would go for the money.
Even if it was a few dollars.

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 287

I don't think most people understand how much money Bauman makes off his website. :<

Sounds like Loki's lost his Yiddish cup. :(

I swear to god if you're the same guy who said that in GBS........................

Octan · Coadjutor Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 95

The fact that they broke into a fucking office over a .gif file is stupid.

In fact, it's beyond stupid. If anyone can think of a less intelligent crime, by all means, let me know, because I'm drawing blanks.

Ask and you shall receive.

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

http://www.infoshop.org/graphics/latuff/McDonalds.jpg

Barry Scott · Prattler Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 165

I loled:

http://baumanletters.ytmnd.com/

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

I loled:

http://baumanletters.ytmnd.com/

That was sexy.
But, who the hell uses internet acronyms in a cease-and-desist notice?

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1267

I loled:

http://baumanletters.ytmnd.com/

Best YTMND ever. You're the man now, Neil.

But, who the hell uses internet acronyms in a cease-and-desist notice?

Folks who obviously haven't the first clue about intellectual property and copyrights.

Lim-Dul · Coadjutor Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 77

I loled:

http://baumanletters.ytmnd.com/

This is awesome, one of the best Y.T.M.N.Ds I've listened to/seen.

While listening to the letter, a question came to mind, how liable is YTMND for its users actions? Ebaum makes the concept of liablity (in this case) seem like this; If a person is murdered with a gun, then the gun manufactor must charged with that crime, regardless of the person who actually executed the murder.

All in all, the great internet war must becoming to a close...
Everything is exaggeration now, the causes, the effects, the backlash, the death threats, and lawsuits.

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1193

This whole BS sounds, to me, like jealousy. EBaum was smart enough to capitalize on work that was being freely distributed. That might make him an asshole, but it also makes him a crapload of cash.

The Goons and YTMNDers are just pissy because they didn't think of it first.

At least nobody is yelling LAWSUITE. Yet.

TNT outta make a TV movie about it called Pirates of the Rust Belt

I can see it now

"EBaum: You dont get it, Lowtax... that doesn't MATTER! :shrugs, gestures at the computer:"

<...>

"Ebaum: Hi Rich! I think its going to be really interesting... I mean, you and me, together..."

aaaand freeze!

subtitle: Ebaumsworld.com now owns part of SomethingAwful.com

or substitute Max/YTMND in here.. who cares :)

I stopped going to YTMND as soon as I saw the ad space being advertised on individual sites

Barry Scott · Prattler Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 165

Max's response is here:

http://www.ytmnd.com/news/?news_id=17

I don't think you understand the extent of this situation. People have been attacking me and my ISP just for making public statements NOT to attack you. You obviously overestimate my involvement, but I guess you have to be paranoid when you are so widely hated.

<3

Dejan · Prattler Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 104

My two cents regarding this drama-fest is that it's basically a clash of mindsets.
Dotcom "internet as a new amazing market" versus Freakazoid "internet as an insane living organism".

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

For the record, you don't don't need to go through any "copyright process". You automatically have the copyright to any published, tangible creative work you make. In the US (and only in the US) you can also register your work with the copyright office, but that's just something that gives you better proof if you ever need to go to court, it doesn't change the nature of your copyright.

You can do it in the UK too and all the countries that signed up for this. While copyrights and patents carry the same legal weight in these countries, like I've mentioned before, it's stupidly easy to them passed in the US, so everyone registers there.

Um, I don't know what you mean by "signed up to this". The Berne Convention is what the majority of the world's countries have signed up to regarding copyright. Berne states that copyright is automatic; no explicit registration is required.

The Berne Convention dates from 1886, but the USA did not sign up until 1989 because that required big changes in US copyright law. Until then, US copyright law was pretty tricky, requiring general registration of copyright works and the inclusion of very specifically phrased copyright notices on the published work. Both requirements were removed from US law in 1989.

AFAIK no countries beside the US even have copyright offices; certainly no EU country, including the UK, has it. The UK Patent Office offers authoritative information on copyright issues, but you need not and can not register a copyright there. (While trade marks and patents do require registration.)

Barry Scott · Prattler Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 165

AFAIK no countries beside the US even have copyright offices; certainly no EU country, including the UK, has it. The UK Patent Office offers authoritative information on copyright issues, but you need not and can not register a copyright there. (While trade marks and patents do require registration.)

Heh, I was pretty sure you could do it here, but I won't be shocked if I'm wrong.

Mr. Nobody · Qualificator Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 2

What a beautiful ytmnd, gods that was pure comedy indeed. Great gift for a cold nite!

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 287

Bauman threatens ebaumsworldsucks.com, legalcondom is really Azure, and altf4 engages bauman on AIM

Even if it is GBS, this thread is god damn beautiful.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

Person who helps make disgruntled well-informed claims about how horrible company X is used to work for company X? OMG! Like that ever happens...

I just love how quickly they go from praising him to flaying him for taking too weak a stance... and then right back to praising him. Essence of SA right there, a mass of individuals that all contribute to one giant Zergish mind.

nopedestrian · Prattler Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 142

I love how when someone points out something relevant to copyright law and backs it up well, everyone ignores them. YEAH FUCK ERIC AND HIS MOM AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON IGNORE HIM.

It seems like 5 million people have come out of the woodwork on GBS to inform everyone that the new "no annoyance on the internet" law has nothing to do with annoyance. Yet they're still prattling on about it tards even after that article was proven to be exaggerated and false weeks ago. No one reads anything on SA. The only good part of that site is their fascination with Silent Hill.

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 287

Person who helps make disgruntled well-informed claims about how horrible company X is used to work for company X? OMG! Like that ever happens...

I just love how quickly they go from praising him to flaying him for taking too weak a stance... and then right back to praising him. Essence of SA right there, a mass of individuals that all contribute to one giant Zergish mind.

Naw, that's just GBS. FYAD FYAD LOL