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Dr. Mojo
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Posted: 2/27/2005 3:59:58 AM     Post subject: HEY GUYS  

http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/show-article.php?file=brobear

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Posted: 2/27/2005 5:18:50 AM     Post subject: Re: HEY GUYS  

http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/show-article.php?file=brobear

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I don't see anything wrong here.
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Posted: 2/27/2005 2:23:49 PM     Post subject: Re: HEY GUYS  

http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/show-article.php?file=brobear

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EXPLAIN YOURSELF DAMMIT

Right off the bat, we see that Brother Bear contains three of the necessary ingredients for a furry transformation story:

1) Transformation into a random animal for no logical reason. The choice of animal depends more on the author’s favorite animal than on which animal it would make sense in the situation. Which is why, no matter whether a human is chopping down trees or draining wetlands, the spirits of the forest will always punish him by turning him into a fox. (4)

2) Worship of “pure nature,” completely ignoring its real life brutality. All species of animals, excluding humans, can communicate in some common tongue. Predator and prey live together peacefully. No one eats each other. (5)

2) Idealized depiction of Native Americans as all-knowing stewards of the land, despite an almost complete lack of understanding of their culture and history. I know that whatever sins Native Americans may have commited against nature by hunting the megafauna into extinction are dwarfed beside those later commited by the white man with his forked tongue and his industrial empires, but, still, Native Americans were far from the lovey dovey peaceniks you see in furry stories.


Notice the mistake here? That's right, he listed them 1-2-2 instead of 1-2-3 :roll:

By which I mean that Keeneye meets up with a spunky, street-wise bear cub named Koda. Since Keeneye’s sudden transformation into a bear has also inexpliccably altered his personality from that of a brash young kid to that of a grouchy old man he Will Keeneye learn to love and appreciate his new comrade despite himself? It’s questions like that that will have you on the edge of your seat.

Okay, this one is little more grevious, if only for the fact that I'm dying here thinking that maybe I'm missing a whole section of another scintilating New Meat article :evil:

(In case you don't see it, Meat wrote it as "...grouchy old man he Will Keeneye learn to love...")

On the one hand; big fucking whoop.

On the other; see this is why you people should make me a mod, at least to give me the power to exercise my grammer-fagosity to proofread these articles.
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Posted: 2/27/2005 3:51:39 PM     Post subject:  

Well, before someone forgot to add a </table> and the entire thing had a painful blue background and size 24 white text.
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Posted: 2/27/2005 4:39:58 PM     Post subject:  

see this is why you people should make me a mod




Well, before someone forgot to add a </table> and the entire thing had a painful blue background and size 24 white text.

Well, a </div> tag had inexplicably disappeared. Thanks for the heads up!
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Posted: 2/27/2005 5:38:33 PM     Post subject:  

see this is why you people should make me a mod



I don't mean to be anal, but as a fan of the Divine Comedy I must point out that according to Dante, within the ninth and inner most circle of hell lies the frozen river of Cocytus in which Satan himself resides frozen in the river up to his torso. The flapping of his wings causes the river to freeze even harder and it is this realm where the treacherous meet their fate to be forever frozen in Cocytus. Therefore to say "a cold day in hell" is fallacious.

Which means that Skunkfuckers should be a mod. :)
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The New Meat
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Posted: 2/27/2005 8:47:59 PM     Post subject:  

Actually, you've missed the biggest mistake of all! As a helpful eskimo pointed out to me:

DON'T YOU EVER INSULT MY CULTURE LIKE THAT! Who gives you the right to say such crap, when you no nothing yourself about the INUIT culture. You know nothing of the totem bear, so you have no right to criticize it. You should study things before judging them. Oh and by the way most of us Inuits are Christians. I think the only stereotypes are comming from you.


Thus initiating the following long and illuminating email exchange:

Dear Mr. Dogmusher,

Hello, this is the New Meat, author of the Brother Bear review. Thank you
for your comments. I find reader feedback to be an invaluable asset.
Unfortunately, you have failed to convince me that Brother Bear did not
suck. Please try again.

Huggles!^__________^

The new Meat


You just keep proving my point that you assume things, and most of the time when you do assume things, you're wrong. First off it's Ms. not Mr. Second off I wasn't trying to say that Brother Bear was a good movie, because that's up to the viewer to decide, there is no right or wrong, it's only opinion, I was trying to tell you not to judge my culture because you think it's a different way, for instance the Totem bear, when the movie said Bear of Love you thought that was stupid because bears are supposedly predators, and that why would Inuits call it the bear of love if it's trying to kill them. You just assumed that, and didn't do any research yourself. You should try reading about the Legend of the Thunderbird (it's a type of totem pole, the bear is normally located under the thunderbird, and the bear was not evil (or looking for people to kill). I didn't fail to do anything, and if there's anything that sucks it was your review. Good reviews also contain real life FACTS, not just OPINIONS. Facts can back up an opinion, but you failed to research any true facts. Hence forth, you failed not me. Your review failed.


Dear Mr. Cooper,

I am sorry, but now I am thoroughly confused. So you didn't like the movie?
Then we are in agreement. I do not see what the problem is then. Because
there certainly is a right and wrong answer to whether that movie sucked.
The right answer is that it did. I'm glad that we can agree on something.
Take care!

Huggles! ^______^

The New Meat


YOU IDIOT! Did you even read a single word I said. First of it's MS. not MR. I never said I didn't like the movie, and I never said I did. The movie was better than your review. Your review sucked. I'm not agreeing on anything with you. You're just some dumb kid who doesn't know what he's talking about.


Dear Mrs. Cooper,

First, I think that name-calling is totally inappropriate to a modern
civilized medium like email. In my country, we consider name-calling to be
very rude.

I'm sorry, obviously I misunderstood your last email. I apologize for that.
I thought that you were saying that you did NOT like the movie.
Apparently, you DID like the movie. I cannot agree with this at all,
because I found the movie to be lacking in many respects. I understand that
most people do not have PhDs in film like I do, so they may not pick up on
some of the more subtle narrative errors in Brother Bear, but, I assure you,
I am trained to notice these things.

Also, I reread your previous email but I am still confused. I may be
mistaken on this, but I believe that the thunderbird is a bird, not a bear.
I do not understand its relevance to this movie. I didn't see any birds at
all in this movie. Please correct me if I'm wrong, because this could be
very important in revising my review.

Huggles! ^______^




When will you understand. Ms. means not married, Mrs. means married, I said MS. By the way I recall in your review you used a swear/curse which is worse than name-calling I believe. And I consider the word Eksimo name calling if you dont know our true culture name, Inuit.

Trained to notice these things. Whoever trained you, must have wasted their time because you failed to do any research yourself. You are full of opinions and no facts.

The Thunderbird is a bird, and you did not read my e-mail that well, because I had stated that the bear is normally included in a Thunderbird totem pull, it usually resides just below the thunderbird. If you had researched Inuit mythology and totemic animal meanings you would have known that. Since you failed to do the research yourelf, I guess I have to tell you, in totemic stories, the BEAR was a caring figure and was not to be insulted/cursed. I would give you the entire thunderbird story, but I highly doubt that you would even borther to read it considering you have trouble reading what I write in a normal e-mail.


Dear Mrs. Cooper,

So the thunderbird is NOT a bear? I think I understand. I do not see why
you mentioned the thunderbird at all then, unless you were deliberately
trying to confuse me, which I do not think is at all in keeping with the
spirit of reconciliation. ANd you are saying that the bear IS a totem of
love? I find this very perplexing. Your culture seems strange and alien to
me. However, let us not dwell on our differences. Like you, my people have
also suffered under centuries of white oppression during which we forgot our
heritage and native crafts. I think it is admirable that you work so hard
to keep your culture alive and in the present.

In my culture, we do not differentiate between Mrs. and Ms. so I apologize
for making this error.

I was trained in the cinematic and theatrical arts at Trinity University and
I do not think my mentor would approve of your flippant tone! He taught us
that true inspiration comes from within and should not be diluted by outside
research, so you see why it is unacceptable to do research prior to writing
a review.

Huggles! ^______^

The New Meat


I mentioned the thunderbird because the bear is part of thunderbird totem pole. A Totem pole consists of many totemic creatures. On some thunderbird totem poles from top to bottom this is the order, Thunderbird, Bear, and than the Whale. When you are looking at the totem bear, you can't think of a bear itself, but think of it as more of a symbol. All cultures usually ,seem strange to other cultures.

Without outside research you may be creating stereotypes yourself.

Oh and I honosltly wouldn't care what your mentor would think, I find it really pointless to spend time wondering what others think of you, or even caring what others think.


Dear Mrs. Cooper,

So, if the bear is indeed a totem of love, I will forward a notice of this
change of situation to our administrator so that he can begin the petition
process to our constituents in the CYD listing. Once this process is
completed, I will see if it meets our needs to ammend the site from the
bottom.

However, I warn you that but by insulting my mentor's teaching ability, you
have gravely insulted a great man. He was trained in the world famous city
of London, well known for its stage and theatrical productions.

Huggles! ^______^

The New Meat


I think of no one as a great man, and I never will. I'm sick and tired of people who think they're above everyone else, and that everyone should respect them. I'm also tired of people who don't do any work themselves, like you not researching things before you wrote. That is what creates stereotypes. The creators of Brother Bear researched Inuits, they did their research but you didn't do yours. Maybe you should try picking up a book and reading it some time. You judge people before even trying to learn about their culture. You're like the people who think we live in igloos (people who do no research and assume everything)


Dear Mrs. Cooper,

Your unkind words shock me deeply. I have already explained that research
is an unacceptable tool under the teachings of my London professor. Today
he is the head of the London Theatrical Works and also a knight in her
majesty's royal order. He did not get there by doing research, but rather
by following the dictates of the mind. The mind communicates through an
unknowable system of synapses which are fired during dreams not waking
research. My people call this a vision quest. When you receive such a quest
you must not dally but must write it down immediately lest it be forgotten.
Thus researching these questions can never achieve the full result.

I know that your people never lived in igloos. That is an urban legend
propogated by the dominant paradigm.

Huggles ^______^

The New Meat


I don't care about your stupid ways, but once you start creating stereotypes about my culture, it makes me angry, because you don't do any research. It's not that its part of your teaching, IT'S BECAUSE YOUR LAZY! You have absolutely no idea what the Inuit culture is like, or was like, so you create stereotypes yourself.


Dear Mrs. Cooper,

It is a very rude person indeed who believes their culture merits
consideration but who belittles that of other peoples as "stupid ways."
Perhaps it is not I who needs to learn more about eskimo culture but you,
since I very much doubt that rudeness is a quality much valued by your
forebearers. If I am incorrect in this assumption then I apologize but my
latest quest has indicated that this is not the case. I have communicated
with my mentor to ask his advice on this new situation, and he has strongly
cautioned against beginning down the path of scholarly research, since this
is a tool more suited to those in academia and the sciences than to those
engaged in pursuits of the mind. He has also expressed curiosity as to
whether there are as has been said actually 100 words in the eskimo language
for snow, but I informed him that this too is an urban legend born of the
dominant paradigm.

Also, I feel I must call your attention to the fact that you indeed partake
in the same assumptions that you accuse me of: for while I assumed you to be
a man, you assumed me to be a" kid" in a previous email when I am, in
actuality, 37 years old.

Huggles! ^______^

The New Meat


Now how would you know about Urban Legends without reading it in a book, or seeing it on the internet, or just hearing it from someone. You need to learn more about the Inuit culture before you create stereotypes for us. I find creating stereotypes very rude, so indeed it is you that has been rude, not I. My forebeares did not have to deal with so much stereotypes, we were at least respected by many people. People who would learn about our culture before judging us. The Russians took advantage of us, and destroyed many of our traditions. It's very sad, that you can't seem to think for yourself. Your quest as you call it, is not a quest of your own. It seems you do not have a mind of your own, but a mind of your mentor. Eskimo language? There is no such thing as "Eskimo language". Perhaps if you would have known more about my culture you would have known that we speak different dialects, and have different forms of our language. Depressing as it is for me, my culture's language is dieing.
I did not assume you to be a "kid". However, you're assuming what I assume, but I assume nothing. The reason I e-mailed you in the first place was because I wanted you to understand a culture before you write about it. But I see you are one that does not like to change their opinions or way of thoughts, as am I. My culture is different from yours, and I believe in research and studying so that I can understand another's culture. I only wanted you to seek that same understanding of another's culture, so that these stereotypes do not continue to be made. Good day,
SC


Daer mrs cooper,As you deny your past assumption, you posit an alternative
past that did not happen. This, combined with the facts obtained during my
most recent quest, cause me to doubt the veracity of your claims to be an
eskimo, since I have it on good authority that prevarication is not an
endemic trait to your peoples. Although I informed my nentor that he was
mistaken in his belief that Eskimos have 100 words for snow, you took
offense to this. Was I then incorrect? I find it more plausible than your
preposterous claim that eskimos do not have the ability to speak. This
further speaks to your fibbing. In this case, why do you claim to be an
eskimo? Whatever your true identit is, you should not be ashamed of it, for
every culture and tradition has its own ricjness not just Eskimos. I await
an appropriate apology for your legacy of fibs.

Huggles! ^______^

The New Meat


You question my statement of being an Inuit? That's too bad because I am part Inuit and Athabascan on my dad's side. You seem to think all Inuits are alike. By the way are you able to read, or do you just like twisting and revising people’s words. I never said that Inuits do not have the ability to speak, I had said exactly “There is no such thing as "Eskimo language". Perhaps if you would have known more about my culture you would have known that we speak different dialects, and have different forms of our language.” Apparently you couldn’t understand this, but it means that we speak different dialects, though most of us now speak English. When I had said that our language is dieing, I meant that barely any of us speak our original language. I also doubt that you are anywhere near 37, or at least you don’t act like an adult. Do you know why I claim to be an Eskimo/Inuit, it is because I am, and I am not afraid of others who mock my culture or my people. I don’t hide my ancestor’s past traditions. Where I live there are kids who make Eskimo jokes, which I hate, but at least I stand up for my people. I am Inuit by blood, but I am also Inuit by soul. I have not fibbed, as you claim. Though I may not live in Canada or Alaska now, I still have faith in the preservation of my culture. (By the way you don’t ever read over your own reading do you? You should check your spelling.) Oh and you say you gathered facts in your most recent quest, then may I say congratulations you have just done some research.


I'm glad that you were able to admit that you are in fact Athabascan. There
is no shame in being Greek. I accept your apology and am glad that we could
end this discussion on an amiable note.

Huggles! ^____^

The New Meat


You are in fact weird, and you sure do like to change people's words. I never apologized for anything. You should be the one apologying for lying. In case you didn't know, Athabascan is not Greek.
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Posted: 2/27/2005 9:40:27 PM     Post subject:  

You reaalllly like to screw with everyone's mind? =)

Do you always ask what the caller is wearing, when they try to sell ya sumfin via phone, too?
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Posted: 2/27/2005 9:47:23 PM     Post subject:  

What a shithead.
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Posted: 2/27/2005 10:25:00 PM     Post subject: Re: HEY GUYS  

On the other; see this is why you people should make me a mod, at least to give me the power to exercise my grammer-fagosity to proofread these articles.


It is 'grammar-fagosity'. :wink:
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Posted: 2/27/2005 11:35:39 PM     Post subject:  

The email exchange cracked me up. When I was in Canada I laughed when some Canadian cursed about the "damn eskimos." Then I realized they were serious. Apparantly they have these roving gangs of Inuits that break into cars and whatnot and it is a big annoyance.
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Posted: 2/28/2005 10:12:36 AM     Post subject:  

Ha! Seems the persecuted, misunderstood, minoritites take advantage of their protected status all around!
Isn't it a serious hate crime even to think these eskimos would do something criminal...

The Mu-seum teaches us tolerance.. tolerance... tolerance....
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Posted: 2/28/2005 3:00:56 PM     Post subject:  

I don't mean to be anal, but as a fan of the Divine Comedy I must point out that according to Dante, within the ninth and inner most circle of hell lies the frozen river of Cocytus in which Satan himself resides frozen in the river up to his torso. The flapping of his wings causes the river to freeze even harder and it is this realm where the treacherous meet their fate to be forever frozen in Cocytus. Therefore to say "a cold day in hell" is fallacious.

Which means that Skunkfuckers should be a mod. :)

See? I should have already been a mod long before our mortal coils were spun, and should remain a mod long after they've been reduced to cold ash. IT IS WRITTEN.
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Skunkfuckers Inc.
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Posted: 2/28/2005 3:04:06 PM     Post subject:  

Actually, you've missed the biggest mistake of all! As a helpful eskimo pointed out to me:

DON'T YOU EVER INSULT MY CULTURE LIKE THAT! Who gives you the right to say such crap, when you no nothing yourself about the INUIT culture. You know nothing of the totem bear, so you have no right to criticize it. You should study things before judging them. Oh and by the way most of us Inuits are Christians. I think the only stereotypes are comming from you.

What a fucking tool.

I'll just bet her fursona is a huskie, too.
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Posted: 2/28/2005 3:10:35 PM     Post subject:  

It always amazes me how some people cling to minority bloodlines, even when there is barely anything left, your great-great-great grandfather was a Native American, why you must also be a native american, ignore the amount of Caucasian bred into your bloodline since then.
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Posted: 2/28/2005 3:12:59 PM     Post subject:  

DON'T YOU EVER INSULT MY CULTURE LIKE THAT! Who gives you the right to say such crap, when you no nothing yourself about the INUIT culture. You know nothing of the totem bear, so you have no right to criticize it. You should study things before judging them. Oh and by the way most of us Inuits are Christians. I think the only stereotypes are comming from you.

You know, it takes a person that is truly wrapped up on themselves to read a movie review that uses heavy doses of sarcasm -- not only to point out where the movie is the perfect furry model for how each doggiehumper's destiny should be, but to outline where Disney itself decides to follow urban myth and conventional stereotypes -- and take it as a personal affront to themselves and their culture.

That's like having Jessie Jackson haul you to court because you said Song of the South was lame and Disney had Uncle Remus all but getthing whipped while eating fried chicken and watermelon.

It's also highly amusing that this person began to suspect Meat was screwing with them toward the end of this LLOOONNNGG exchange, but never became fully cognizant of that fact enough to pull up out of her nosedive into the cold, hard ground of stupidity. The fact that she persisted in her tirade for so long after it becomes evident that he's either yanking her chain or just a totally deranged idiot just adds to the comedy value.

I wonder if she gets into hour-long arguments with hobos with tourette's syndrome when they bark something randomly obscene at her.

<many, many rambling emails about -- "blah blah blah, you shouldn't judge other people like I'm judging you by writing about how movies suck and your culture is dumb and you should call people's cultures dumb and you're an infantile kid you big, dumb, stupid doo-doo head and try cracking a book to find out how great eskimo culture is because you were stereotyping when you talked about the stereotypes in a Disney movie and I'm like the eskimo Kimmaugh and hey, wait are you screwing with me or do I like beating my head against a wall to make myself feel better by insulting someone who insults others to make themselves feel better and why am I persisting with this because I am a glutton for suffering or because I realized you're just yanking my chain too late to save face and now have to yell louder at you to cover up the fact that I've been had>

Dear Esteemed Reader:

GET OVER YOURSELF
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Posted: 2/28/2005 4:55:41 PM     Post subject:  


GET OVER YOURSELF


If only these powerful words of truth could ring out over the internet. The world would be better. A lot better.

What ever happened to being carefree and laid back, eh? People just need to calm down about shit, man.
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Posted: 2/28/2005 5:25:20 PM     Post subject:  

As it has often been sagely stated, the anonymous nature of the internet.. even with handles and email addresses.. makes people far more inclined to voice their crackpot opinions.

This site is a perfect example. :)

Jocularity aside, not only does it allow people to just gather in a forum and bullshit about their opinions on things, but it makes people like this Ms. Cooper far more inclined to not only assault you with their opinions, after they willfully chose to read yours, but also instills them with this notion that you must be educated on the error of your ways.

I think the next big step in internet technology should be a device mounted on the side of the monitor pointed directly at your face. This device is several units housed in one. First, it is a camera. When sending an email to someone, the related software will scan your text for inflammatory statements, harsh language, etc. If it determines your email or message to be simply a knee-jerk reaction to someone else's opinions.. which you didn't have to read, but did... you will be required to send a photograph of yourself simply to further break down the sense of anonymity.

In the event that you actually commit to heckling the intended recipient with your opinions, a novely spring-loaded boxing glove will burst from the device the moment you hit SEND, thereby punching you in the face.
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Posted: 3/1/2005 9:00:17 PM     Post subject:  

One thing that people need to remember about Brother Bear IMO is that, it's a fairy tale. Think about the audience they were probably aiming for; I would guess young children.

Of course animals don't hang out and talk to each other, ride other animals as though they're a carnival ride etc. This is the world of make believe. We need to remember that movies like this tend to use symbolism to portray issues in a way that child can understand.


A child may have trouble understanding racism and the way people tend to dehumanise (please correct me if I'm using this term incorectly) other races, religions, nationalities etc rather then trying to understand them. However, they can probbaly understanding a kid saying a bears are evil and unfeeling, so he gets turned into a bear and learns what it means to be one and sees they have feelings just like us, they have families etc. Don't take the movie litterally, take it as symbolism written in a way that a kid can understand.

I never saw the movie but if I did, I'd prefer to go into with that frame of mind instead of expecting a realistic portrayal of nature and humans of that era and location.

Taking this movie litterally would be like taking Pinnochio litterally (as opposed to viewing what happenes a symbolic). In that movie, most people tend to remember the infamous pleasure island scenes most vividly. The way I interpret it is, pleasure island = temptation, and temptation = a bad thing, and perhaps even evil, which = the devil. (yes, there are other interpretations here, so you don't need to neccessarily use a biblical type, but it works well enough). Temptation brings out the beast in (hu)man. Those kids were tempted into making a deal with temptation, it of course tempted them by saying no consiquences for it, do whatever you want. They made a deal with evil (ie, made a deal with the devil symbolism) and as a result became beasts of burden.

(although, this movie and it's symbolism are worthy of an article on their own)

The whole point (as least as far as I see) is to use imagry a child can understand and relate to in order to portray important real life issues; hence the idea of the movies having a theme/morale to them.

If brother bear came out twenty years ago, I doubt anyone would have had a problem with it. Now however, everyone has a fit over it, saying that it's a furry movie just because of certain elements it uses (elements fairy tales have used for centuries). In my opinion, if people would just calm down and accept the movie as what it is and stops trying to nitpick it using standards based on something it isn't; they'd probbaly enjoy the movie and could have a lot of interesting intelligent conversations about it.
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Posted: 3/1/2005 9:14:04 PM     Post subject:  

I haven't seen Brother Bear either. That said, it looks as gay as the Charmin bear. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? It's hard to take a shit with that prissy bear staring back at me and padding around with his little boo-boo buddies just oozing gay-cuddles.
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Posted: 3/2/2005 8:56:56 AM     Post subject:  

Temptation brings out the beast in (hu)man. Those kids were tempted into making a deal with temptation, it of course tempted them by saying no consiquences for it, do whatever you want. They made a deal with evil (ie, made a deal with the devil symbolism) and as a result became beasts of burden.


In other words: NOW HE GAY FROM YIFF
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Posted: 3/3/2005 2:34:57 PM     Post subject:  

If brother bear came out twenty years ago, I doubt anyone would have had a problem with it. Now however, everyone has a fit over it, saying that it's a furry movie just because of certain elements it uses (elements fairy tales have used for centuries). In my opinion, if people would just calm down and accept the movie as what it is and stops trying to nitpick it using standards based on something it isn't; they'd probbaly enjoy the movie and could have a lot of interesting intelligent conversations about it.

Having seen the movie, the review wasn't saying "OMG! It's a furry movie cuz it has fuzzy talking animals!" The movie basically has many elements common to fairy tales that furries glomp onto, such as the "hy00mans are bad and mean to animals" and the ending aspect of "Whee.. my life's purpose is realized by staying a bear." Plus, you just have to see the whole bear hippie commune scene to understand how it likely had evey fat, hairy gay furry (i.e., "bears") wriggling his toes in delight at it as an idealized vision of life. Obviously the movie wasn't intended to be furry, but it's just as easily a model for the grand furry vision as The Lion King -- the presence of humans and not-so-"noble" animals being the stars one of the primary reasons it wasn't likely snapped up as a new furry banner to wave like TLK or Balto.
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BeanBall
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Posted: 3/3/2005 9:35:22 PM     Post subject:  

Oh, I agree that his deciding to stay a bear was the wrong decition.

The way I look at however, is however (from the description of the commune scene) it's just a fun idealised version of life in general, not just life as a bear. I see it as a harmless little fantasy that as long as one realises it's a fantasy that they're not hurting anyone if they want to daydream about being one of those bears.

I know it's annoying how if anything, it feels as though furries have ruined movies like this and how seeing such a scene, it's hard not to think of ones that have gone for such a lifestyle in real life that perhaps feel vindicated by it.

It is kinda sad that these sorts of what would normally be fun movies where one could turn their disbelief off and just enjoy them for what they are for an hour or two are in many ways ruined by people that have perverted it.
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RailFoxen
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Posted: 3/3/2005 9:41:23 PM     Post subject:  

Furries don't ruin movies.

Movie studios ruin movies.

The fact that some group of people use a children's movie to support their lifestyle reflects poorly on the group, while the movie must be judged on its own merits.

Regardless, the movie does blow. Infinite blowage.
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