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Seraph · Apocrisiary Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 50

It would definately be the top ten annoying furry art cliches. Like drawing the exact same (body part) on all animals regardless of species.

Erdwolf_TVL · Qualificator Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 31

Whatever you write, it's likely to be considered favorably...

Articles don't come along very often.

If it does not get printed, it's way off mark.

But don't ask me, I'm not the publisher :p

TheBobSays · Venter Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 260

Whatever you write, it's likely to be considered favorably...

Agreed. You don't have to be here for ages before you can post an article, and frankly, it would be a refreshing change of pace, to have something where you can even, possibly, laugh with as well as laugh at. And it's something where you wouldn't have to hit google for names of the e-famous. (No, I'm not talking about the overrated series.)

I say go for it.

vanilla rin · Apocrisiary Joined: 03 Jul 2005 Posts: 45

That would be interesting. Just make sure to include picture examples of all, so we're all on the same page.

peppersprayed · Vociferator Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 420

It would definately be the top ten annoying furry art cliches. Like drawing the exact same (body part) on all animals regardless of species.

well I suppose they could just cop out and say they are all part human.... but yeah that's definitely a common thing.

Seraph · Apocrisiary Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 50

well I suppose they could just cop out and say they are all part human.... but yeah that's definitely a common thing.

Being part human makes putting things like boobs on a bird or reptile logical, but putting dog feet on a 'rabbit' and then putting the same dog feet on a 'squirrel' and then putting the same dog feet on a 'raccoon'...? Humans don't have dog feet last I checked, heh.

peppersprayed · Vociferator Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 420

well I suppose they could just cop out and say they are all part human.... but yeah that's definitely a common thing.

Being part human makes putting things like boobs on a bird or reptile logical, but putting dog feet on a 'rabbit' and then putting the same dog feet on a 'squirrel' and then putting the same dog feet on a 'raccoon'...? Humans don't have dog feet last I checked, heh.

touche

yeah it's generally hey guyz I changed the head and fur patern/color now it's totally different

Seraph · Apocrisiary Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 50

Of course, the problem with writing an article like that, is that there's two sides to the coin... As an artist, I want the right to try to defend the term 'artist' from being used by people who should have a court order keeping them away from all drawing implements. But then, on the other side, why exactly is what I do more valid than what they do, just because I (think I) have a higher skill level? And do I really have the right to nitpick and complain about something other people do for their own gratification just because it makes me and my work look bad by association?

... If I don't, I should. Heheh.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

When in doubt, be an ass.

TheBobSays · Venter Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 260

When in doubt, be an ass.

It works so well, here!

Also, I am reminded of BTAF's Bob's quick guide to the apostrophe, you idiots. The solution is simple: Don't blast the 'artist' that does it.

Make all the samples, what to do and what not to do, where it's obvious that these samples are nobody but your own. That way, you can do do an, 'Figure A is the proper foot. Notice that they differ from animal to animal. Figure B is a case of anatomous reuse-is. If you draw like figure B, WHY? ARE YOU STUPID? EVEN IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN OUTSIDE, THERE'S GOOGLE PICTURES!' all you want, and nobody can claim OMGFURSECUTION and SUOL RAEP on who you're picking on. You never named names, you never placed pictures.

Seraph · Apocrisiary Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 50

Actually, since I can draw at least comparatively well, it might be funny to do it sarcastically.

raygirl · Prattler Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 198

A good friend once told me about art critique. I was concerened about givcing critique to artists who were odviously more tallented than I with regards to anatomy and pencil skill etc. And she said

'It's ok to critique or dislike a piece of music by, say, Atomic Kitten even if you can't sing. It's personal taste, and if what you're saying is a well founded critique and not just 'OMG YOU SUXXORS' then you can critique away without fear of having your skill dragged into the frey'

Or words to that effect

It doesn't matter how well someone can draw a furry if that's ALL they can draw. So what if you can draw bunny legs that look so realistic you can touch them. If that's all you can draw then you're fucked if you want a good job in the real world.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

It doesn't matter how well someone can draw a furry if that's ALL they can draw. So what if you can draw bunny legs that look so realistic you can touch them. If that's all you can draw then you're fucked if you want a good job in the real world.

That's true, but also a bit irrelevant. I'm fairly sure most furry artists are just drawing as a hobby.

Which is not to say you mustn't make a critique of their work. I'm of the opinion that a good litmus test for an artist is that he/she should be able to draw anything. In his/her own style, which may or may not be stylized, weird and twisted, of course, but still. Most furry artists, even quite a few who make truly well-drawn cartoon animals, fail miserably when going outside their wont subject matter.

raygirl · Prattler Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 198

That's true, but also a bit irrelevant. I'm fairly sure most furry artists are just drawing as a hobby.

Which is not to say you mustn't make a critique of their work. I'm of the opinion that a good litmus test for an artist is that he/she should be able to draw anything. In his/her own style, which may or may not be stylized, weird and twisted, of course, but still. Most furry artists, even quite a few who make truly well-drawn cartoon animals, fail miserably when going outside their wont subject matter.

You're absolutely right, I appologise :) I've been berated about adapting to all forms of art thanks to my art course XD I forget about this thing called 'fun' once in a while XD

I think you can allways tell when people are drawing in a 'wacky' style because they choose to (and they can draw beautifully), rather than because that's the only way they can draw

'OMG he has deformed feet because...I designed him that way!!! Yeah!'

MissMab · Qualificator Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

I remember seeing an artist who did artwork for one of the various animes(to be honest I lost track of which) and while he was well-known for his anime style and such, he had in his portfolio some of the most amazing realistic figure drawings. True he preferred his more-popular and wellknown style, but he had the ability to draw very realistically...which is something I think many people who try to learn to draw "just like him" never realize as they were more or less trying to mimic his stylize anime.

Seraph · Apocrisiary Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 50

I think I have a truly irrational psychosis where I want people, who have generally acted as if they were better than me, to at least have the decency to be as intelligent as I am.
It also strikes me as kind of screwed up when someone goes 'I'm a ferret!' or something, but they have no clue about what ferrets are actually like.
And the third part of why bad furry cliche pisses me off is that this is the -internet-, where pictures and information on almost anything are readily available, and nobody has any excuse not to just look it up. Meaning that their ignorance must then be deliberate or else sheer laziness. And that reflects badly on those of us who bother to do what they won't.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

In all fairness, many people aren't interested in learning to draw properly. They have an interest in one specific thing, like Sonic the Hedgehog or whatever, and would like to draw just that. Fair enough, but if they they claim they're OMG ARTISTS and put their crap on the internet for public perusal, and on top of that get lolleriffic fantard comments like "OMG YUOR ART IS TEH AWESOME!!!1!1"... then I do get an itch to point out that the emperor's not wearing any clothes.

raygirl · Prattler Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 198

I remember seeing an artist who did artwork for one of the various animes(to be honest I lost track of which) and while he was well-known for his anime style and such, he had in his portfolio some of the most amazing realistic figure drawings. True he preferred his more-popular and wellknown style, but he had the ability to draw very realistically...which is something I think many people who try to learn to draw "just like him" never realize as they were more or less trying to mimic his stylize anime.

I concur. The people who draw Sailor Moon don't draw like that because that's all they can draw...those animators can draw

Which is what pisses me off about those 'How to Draw Anime' books...they don't tell you the fundamental rule which is DRAW REALISTIC STUFF AS WELL...it WILL help you improve...and a lot of little fankids who want to draw anime don't understand that

MissMab · Qualificator Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

I think the biggest complaint I have with "but its my STYLE" is that there is a difference between having a style and being unable to draw anything but that.

True I have a particular style and even if I do draw other things a bit of that style will likely follow into other art. But if needed I can bust out the charcoals and work still-drawings and realism...albeit somewhat more suckily than I'd prefer.

Cartoon and comic characters tend to have a very particular format to building them because its required if you are going to have to draw the same figure over and over again. But its not something that should be used to try to draw EVERYTHING. And most people who are designing the characters in the first place do so because they already know how to draw and are simply tinkering with the formula. Some how-to-draw Manga/whatever books can be useful when you are stumped on a particular thing like how a particular dress folds when sitting or a minor effect, but most people really do use them as a crutch rather than a reference.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

You can get a lot from some "learn how to draw" books, but the one way to really improve drawing skill is drawing from life. Preferably take classes. Drawing is so much about how to observe. I think where many wannabe-artists fail is that they don't learn - or more precisely don't know how to learn - to go beyond simple copying.

Of course, you can still use reference materials - most professional artists have lots of books, not the "learn how to draw" type, but books with photos of nature and machinery and buildings and whatnot. Still, it pays to know how to observe these materials, so you can make your own interpretation of a fold in a dress and not rely on somebody else's interpretation.

I'm not saying any artist should draw anything and everything, but knowing your basics will make it so much easier to become good at whatever subject that interests you.

ChildEatingMonster · Prattler Joined: 08 May 2005 Posts: 107

I want to write an article for CYD, someone tell me how to do it

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 732

I want to write an article for CYD, someone tell me how to do it

Write your article in in something like Microsoft Word. Insert dirty pictures and whatnot. Afterwards (be sure to save!), you can e-mail Mitch with the document as an attachment. Later you'll find out that he can't get the attachment because the e-mail client is being a bitch, so you'll probably have to PM him with it, increasing both of your workloads. Fuss and worry like an old maid before throwing yourself off of a tall building.

Recently it seems Mitch can't even get anything as a PM. Is it just me? Am I crowding you Mitch? Am I annoying? Needy? It is me, isn't it? Tell me what's wrong; I want to make this relationship work! Don't hate me! Please, I just want to be loved; is that so wrong? :(

Seraph · Apocrisiary Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 50

I'm still thinking over if I actually WANT to write one.

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 639

It'll earn you lots of e-points. Triple word score for making someone 'reboot' their life. Any artists this is directed at or applicable to will take offense and write about you in their FurAffinity journal. The jaded fringe will get a kick out of it.

We have really no standards for quality, so you'll automatically look good by comparison.

Iconoclastic · Vociferator Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 361

At one time I considered dropping a drama bomb titled "The Furry's Guide to Getting Your Shit Together." It would be in the style of one of those Dummy books and focus on social reintegration and self improvement (with enough snarkiness to ire all the right furverts).

Instead of setting up an entire website alone, perhaps I should just write installments and offer them here.

Monkey King · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 488

While it would probably be a wasted effort, we should always strive to make a positive impact in our passing. If you can get even one furry to quit being a loser and get his life together, it'll be worth it. Ever the idealistic hippy, me.

ChildEatingMonster · Prattler Joined: 08 May 2005 Posts: 107

actually, I change my mind, I just want to make a comic for CYD, is that okay? dont tell me I cant.

MissMab · Qualificator Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

Do eeeet. Do the comiiiic...

I had a couple ideas for articles and things, but mostly I'm too farging lazy to go out and find various references for it and even lazier to draw my own at the time. One day though...one day...

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 547

I doodled a couple of things a while ago (here and here), so I'm showing them hoping they motivate you folks enough to draw something better.

Heck, I guess I'd draw some more too.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

I doodled a couple of things a while ago (here and here), so I'm showing them hoping they motivate you folks enough to draw something better.

Whee! Those comics are great! :D

I'd like to contribute an article or a comic or whatever, but I don't really have anything that needs writing about...

... and I already owe Mitch a text I've been sitting on for a year now. Oops. I out-lazify MissMab by far.

raygirl · Prattler Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 198

I doodled a couple of things a while ago (here and here), so I'm showing them hoping they motivate you folks enough to draw something better.

Heck, I guess I'd draw some more too.

Oh the SCORN XD I love the second one :D

Comicizing forum events is allways good for a laugh...I used to make these fake magazine covers featuring the most recent and funniest posts, comments and situations brough up on this forum I used to go to. It was great :D

here we go. Bear in mind these are old so they're not that great...and they were for the AD vision forums and not here

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/RaygirlROL/ADPicklepost.jpg