Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 658

Xydexx's never all that well fastened mask of false bonhomie finally slips:

I notice the incident at Texas FurryCon got brought up as an example of how not to react to goons, and I must admit, sitting on goon's cars and preventing them from leaving until they signed something was pretty lame. The goons just laughed about that afterwards and it just showed them they have nothing to fear (although, I watched the video of the incident and the panic in that one goon's voice was pretty evident) from doing this again.

What should have happened, IMHO, was that the furries should have surrounded the car and pelted it with rocks, or even dragged them out of the car and beaten the holy fuck out of them. It's one thing to tell goons "stop fucking with us," but, as the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words.

Of course, the fact that these particular goons weren't actually fucking with anyone is totally irrelevant. Nor is the fact that they were actually getting on pretty well with the fans they'd met, and beginning to revise their preconceptions about furries. No, none of matters in the fucking slightest because since when did MERE MUNDANE FACTS ever matter in furrydrama?

Bah.

Edit: reconstructed copy of the thread including deleted posts here

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 708

What kind of screen name is "Xydexx"?

SLaitila · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 490

What kind of screen name is "Xydexx"?

Actually not much without the "Squeakypony" following it.

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 625

Xydexx neighs, "OMG goonsecution."

Xydexx, in his infinite wisdom, says we're "taking the internet too seriously" and we have an inability to laugh at ourselves. -:D.

And people wonder why I advocate concealed carry...

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Most of the folks Something Awful are picking on do nothing other than simply exist. All it takes to get a goon's panties atwist is for them to know you're a furry. Furries aren't making themselves targets, Something Awful is.

What's really hypocritical funny is how SA goons seem to get furries' "panties atwist" just by existing.

Nah.. I still vote furries make targets of themselves. Funny how a group that predominanty fancies themselves as predator species make themselves such easy prey.

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

What was absolutley precious is when he used AOL-speak in his entry.

Doesn't he know the OMFG WTF IS DIS PLZKTHNX mockery originally started at SA?

It's sad that the fandumb's hyperdefensive nature makes it suck a target. I mean hell, SA and PoE have moved onto Juggalos at least. The furries still rag on the two forums for fucks sake.

I'd like to see a ratio of furries trolling on anti-furry sites in comparaison to vice versa. I gaurentee you will see the furries are worse than their alleged fursecutors.

Gargoyle · Vociferator Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 455

Today's ALOD is about a Furry Juggalo.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

Today's ALOD is about a Furry Juggalo.

...so which one considers him "bringing down the status quo" :?:

Computolio · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 865

Let's remember that Xydexx is, above all else, the genius who exploded so retardedly on Portal Of Evil four years ago. It's nice to know that nothing has changed a bit.

I mean pelting them with rocks? WAY TO GO MR. INTERNET BIG MAN. I swear to God, every time I start to think that maybe SA's furry - related tomfoolery is getting long in the tooth, someone like Xydexx has to pop up and justify another year or two of it.

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 183

Xydexx is one of the biggest dicks in furry, IMO. I actually knew him through two completely different routes (urban exploration AND through furry gatherings and stuff) and he pretty much just comes off as a snotty, uninformed, braying douchebag.

I found this in his LJ in the comments:

Let's let folks in the fandom know exactly what sort of crowd Steve "Doodles" Gattuso is running with and hold him accountable. No, I'm not suggesting forming a lynch mob or anything, but consider if people have a problem with furries being portrayed as animal fuckers and so-forth, I'd suspect them knowing doodlesthegreat gleefully and unapologetically supports a website that actively and enthusiastically promotes furries being portrayed that way, it would make things just a tad uncomfortable for him socially, wouldn't it?

Um. I don't think Doodles has anything to do with SA thinking furries are dogfuckers. No, its probably the dogfuckers who loudly proclaim their furriness AND their dogfuckery to the world that makes people think furs are dogfuckers.

Doodles, for those that don't know (and this obviously goes for Xydexx as well, since he proves himself to be an ignorant basketcase) is one of about ten furs that have been accepted into the SomethingAwful forums as normal goons. The reason he was accepted was that he did not throw an insipid temper tantrum, (reference: see Xydexx) claim fursecution, or otherwise act like a complete idjit when people pointed out his furriness. Doodles isn't some secret agent that coordinates with the enemy.

SA/POE is not the enemy anyway. People like Xydexx are the enemy. His overreactions, misinformation and blathering foolishness in public only continue to make furries look like raving lunatics and encourages other furs to also look like lunatics. Plus he's a balloon fucker, can't forget that.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Yes, any arguements you may have about anything are quickly nullified in light of the fact that you willfully put your bone in pool toys that look like Flipper rather than Jenna Jameson. Although, the whole blow-up love doll thing eludes me, too. But, when you consider the Love Ewe to be a serious sex toy instead of a gag gift.. yah.. you lose at life AND teh intarweb.

Xarai · Coadjutor Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 87

I was at the Texas Furry Con during this incident. Unfortunately, I was upstairs the whole time, so what I heard was hearsay.

At about 11:00 at night, there was a group of furries in the hall with rather upset expressions on their faces. I asked them what was up, and one of them replied, in a melodramatic tone, "Something Awful was here."

So I asked, "SA? Uh, did they actually do anything?"

The reply was something along the lines of, "They made threats against the con and Aisha . They were going around trying to take pictures in the dealer's room, to post on the Internet." Someone else offhandedly added, "Man, Jim Groat is gonna be upset."

I was a little skeptical, because I knew some SA goons, and, while, my opinion of SA isn't really very high, I knew that the forum regulars are overall much more intelligent than furries. So I responded, "Don't they only attack web sites?"

One of the fat fanboys peered down at me. You know, one of those guys who has been to every convention since CF2 and who's carrying a pile of sketchbooks so thick they could wallpaper a house with their contents. "No. They attack cons too. FC last year, and AC too. Both had Something Awful people making threats."

I didn't feel like drawing it out any further, and more people were starting to show up to this commotion in the hall, so I went to my room. At this point, I predicted what was going to happen pretty accurately:

1. The furries' story would turn out to be bullshit. (FC and AC? I've never heard anything about that.)
2. There was much more going on than what the furries suggested.
3. The con was in trouble. (As it turns out, there will be no more Texas Furry Cons, unless it is taken over.)
4. This would make INTERNET FUNY.

Today's ALOD is about a Furry Juggalo.

The ALoD came from Portal of Evil. What's surprising about her is that she actually doesn't fit the 300 pound Kimbeast stereotype.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

"Man, Jim Groat is gonna be upset."

3. The con was in trouble. (As it turns out, there will be no more Texas Furry Cons, unless it is taken over.)

You know you're hitting the bottom of the bucket if Groat's the guest of honor.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 658

I was at the Texas Furry Con during this incident. Unfortunately, I was upstairs the whole time, so what I heard was hearsay..

One of the Goons' account of it is still online, if you haven't seen it.

MikeyTheCat · Rasophore Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 62

Today's ALOD is about a Furry Juggalo.

Well the internet has sucken to a new low, are there any furry conspiracy sites?

SquareMoogle · Vociferator Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 357

Or we can all watch Nothingkat's classic animation.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

Or we can all watch Nothingkat's classic animation.

Anybody ever figure out who that chick was in that video? Because whoever she is she's Janeane Garofalo-sexy when she's pissed :twisted:

Xarai · Coadjutor Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 87

Anybody ever figure out who that chick was in that video? Because whoever she is she's Janeane Garofalo-sexy when she's pissed :twisted:

The one on the TV screen? That's Aisha or Kuro-Kai, the con director.

And yeah, I've seen all of SA's accounts of the incident. That's how I knew the furries at the con weren't telling the truth about it. That Jim Groat was the GoH was especially sad, but it was quite a small con - the dealer's room was maybe the size of one and a half two-bed hotel rooms. It was held at a Holiday Inn Express, for Christ's sake.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 1006

The one on the TV screen? That's Aisha or Kuro-Kai, the con director.

You know... I think I'd be alright with the idea of making sweet sweet love to her in the back of my car. Girl's got some spunk.

I'm just saying.

Michael Hirtes · Needs to get out more Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 820

The one on the TV screen? That's Aisha or Kuro-Kai, the con director.

You know... I think I'd be alright with the idea of making sweet sweet love to her in the back of my car. Girl's got some spunk.

I'm just saying.

Dude, YUCK! She seems to be taking on buttertroll proportions, and her face is in a permanent scowl, al la Tygger Graf.

SLaitila · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 490

You know... I think I'd be alright with the idea of making sweet sweet love to her in the back of my car. Girl's got some spunk.
I'm just saying.

Dude, it's friday, you need sex, badly. Put your good clothes on and head to the night club to get some. THIS IS AN ORDER!

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 658

Ho ho, Xydexx is really on a roll and beginning to see Goons everywhere. This is from his reply to an assertion by Squnq that Goons aren't showing up at cons.

How did TheNewMeat like Further Confusion 2005? Did he get any funny videotape of the event, or was that another goon? Who was his partner in crime?

So The Meat is a goon! Who knew!?

Squng debunks this, in a reasoned post that demonstrates how few threads about furry have appeared on SA so far this year, and but the Master of Furry Debate deftly counters his accursed logic thusly:

tl;dr

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

Or we can all watch Nothingkat's classic animation.

While we're on the subject of Nothingkat's animations, could someone tell me who on God's green earth is responsible for the abomination of a fursuit seen in this animation? I first saw it in MTV's Sex2k and to me it looks like Minnie Mouse as a horribly done blow up doll.

Michael Hirtes · Needs to get out more Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 820

While we're on the subject of Nothingkat's animations, could someone tell me who on God's green earth is responsible for the abomination of a fursuit seen in this animation? I first saw it in MTV's Sex2k and to me it looks like Minnie Mouse as a horribly done blow up doll.

Ah yes. The infamous "Minnie Mouth". Shawn Keller did a good rip on him/her in his comic. Most disturbing costume ever.

The New Meat · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 933

How did TheNewMeat like Further Confusion 2005? Did he get any funny videotape of the event, or was that another goon? Who was his partner in crime?

So The Meat is a goon! Who knew!?

I sure didn't!

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

I have been one, but I refuse to admit to it, or associate with them. I gave up furries, and goons.. for lent. One retarded fandom is as bad as the next.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

Yes, I spent about 5 minutes on this. I just had to reinstall my PC, so I lost my fonts, and half my memory. Fuck Mushkin - this RAM is going back. :(

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 658

Hahaha! Xydexx trashed his comments in that LJ thread and has this little message for the over-credulous amongst us:

Damn, the CrushYiffDestroy crowd sure get bent outta shape at the drop of a hat, don't they? It's like I could put up a big sign that says

I AM YANKING
YOUR CHAIN

and you'd still go batshit over it. Wow. Just wow.

Maybe you should take your own advice and stop taking the internet so seriously, m'kay? -:)

That was YOUR ADVICE, Mr Squeakypony! And who's taking who seriously, exactly?
:D

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 534

Yes, I spent about 5 minutes on this. I just had to reinstall my PC, so I lost my fonts, and half my memory. Fuck Mushkin - this RAM is going back. :(

Dammit, Rankin.

Backup. And backup often!

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

Dammit, Rankin.
Backup. And backup often!

Well, see, I had just copied that whole disk to an exact clone with Norton Ghost.. and then my new RAM decided to tank, and somehow, everything that was cached wasn't written yet... and I was left with two very broken copies of Windows. :(

This will not be fun to bet back to a useful state.

Dr. Dos · Vociferator Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 718

Backup. And backup often!

like Yerf.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Damn, the CrushYiffDestroy crowd sure get bent outta shape at the drop of a hat, don't they? It's like I could put up a big sign that says

I AM YANKING
YOUR CHAIN

and you'd still go batshit over it. Wow. Just wow.

I'm still waiting for these guys to achieve the enlightenment that will allow them to comprehend the fact that finding something entertaining is a far cry from getting "bent outta shape" about it.

C'mon people... pull your tongues out of Meeko's SPH for a moment and realize this is about as "batshit" over furry antics as MST3K is over bad sci-fi movies.

robot717 · Qualificator Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 26

Squeakypony?

Never mind,I probably don't want to know.

Bloodied · Rasophore Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 53

C'mon people... pull your tongues out of Meeko's SPH for a moment and realize this is about as "batshit" over furry antics as MST3K is over bad sci-fi movies.

Yeah, but MST3K is fairly good natured, whereas you guys tend to come cross as "just fucking drop dead"

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

Yeah, but MST3K is fairly good natured, whereas you guys tend to come cross as "just fucking drop dead"

So? Don't hate us because we have better writers.

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1192

Yeah, but MST3K is fairly good natured, whereas you guys tend to come cross as "just fucking drop dead"

So? Don't hate us because we have better writers.

heres a pic of Crow with a strap-on

SquareMoogle · Vociferator Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 357

NOTHING IS SACRED

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1192

NOTHING IS SACRED

Here, WITH THUMBNAILS !!!

You gotta give it up for the WB picture tho, seeing as how he went to the trouble of doing all the product placement - drawing in both St Ides AND Old E .. (and crack, coke and bongs, and blimpie subs )

I didnt know whether to laugh my ass off or puke.... still dont :?

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 183

Here, WITH THUMBNAILS !!!

GOD DAMMIT

I swear to god, he raped almost everything on IN ONE FELL SWOOP. WTF.

Jesus. Rocko's Modern Life? Family Guy & Futurama?? DAMMIT. He even sodomizes CHRISTMAS!!!@<$$4,,,

angry.

Edit: You know what makes this even sort of sadder? He looks like he has real talent and a very unique style :( I actually really like the background of this spooge peice. In fact, I like the backgrounds and environment of almost all of them. Too bad its got weird copyrighted-character porn all over the place :( I'd probably have made it my computer background if that porn weren't there.

This is exactly what drives me nuts about furry art sometimes:
1. Your fond memories of various shows or characters are raped.
2. Artists with real talent seem to stunt themselves by only drawing porn. Blerf.

SquareMoogle · Vociferator Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 357

Well, I've seen some of those pictures ages ago, on a page that wasn't copywritten in 2004. I doubt he drew all of them, perhaps any of them for that matter.

Bloodied · Rasophore Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 53

Yeah, but MST3K is fairly good natured, whereas you guys tend to come cross as "just fucking drop dead"

So? Don't hate us because we have better writers.

Heh, trust me when I say I don't hate you guys. I don't always (or even usually) agree with you but you do have a knack for being pretty damn funny.

Kadius · Needs to get out more Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 911

NOTHING IS SACRED

*echoing cry of bestial rage*

God damnit, ROCKO, WHY ROCKO?!

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

Here, WITH THUMBNAILS !!!

You gotta give it up for the WB picture tho, seeing as how he went to the trouble of doing all the product placement - drawing in both St Ides AND Old E .. (and crack, coke and bongs, and blimpie subs )

I didnt know whether to laugh my ass off or puke.... still dont :?

My reaction exactly. That unique mix of hilarity and horror only FURRY can deliver. The most amazing thing is the amount of time and care that sems to have been put into those pics... can't figure out if such dedication is commendable or just totally nuts in regards to the content...

Repomancer · Rasophore Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 61

Squeakypony?

Never mind,I probably don't want to know.

Xydexx fucks pool toys and fantasizes about being an inflatable horse.

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

Squeakypony?

Never mind,I probably don't want to know.

Xydexx fucks pool toys and fantasizes about being an inflatable horse.

*whistles inconspicuously*

Michael Hirtes · Needs to get out more Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 820

Here, WITH THUMBNAILS !!!

You gotta give it up for the WB picture tho, seeing as how he went to the trouble of doing all the product placement - drawing in both St Ides AND Old E .. (and crack, coke and bongs, and blimpie subs )

I didnt know whether to laugh my ass off or puke.... still dont :?

My reaction exactly. That unique mix of hilarity and horror only FURRY can deliver. The most amazing thing is the amount of time and care that sems to have been put into those pics... can't figure out if such dedication is commendable or just totally nuts in regards to the content...

Um, I know this may not earn me any brownie points with CYD, but I can vouch for Biohaz. He's not a furry. I've known him for years and I haven't seen a furry bone in his body. He doesn't take part in the type of fanboi politik of the type that retards like Ebony Leopard or ol Sqeakumz wallow in. He just gets a kick out of drawing some really eye-watering satire and out of the uproar it gets out of people when they see it. (and when he reads this thread, he's gonna feel mighty satisfied :lol: ).

Even if there was no furrydumb, Biohazard would still be doing this stuff.

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1192

He just gets a kick out of drawing some really eye-watering satire and out of the uproar it gets out of people when they see it.

well yeah ! I can tell that just by looking at it. I think most of the stuff on there is hilarious

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 183

Um, I know this may not earn me any brownie points with CYD, but I can vouch for Biohaz. He's not a furry. <...> He just gets a kick out of drawing some really eye-watering satire and out of the uproar it gets out of people when they see it. (and when he reads this thread, he's gonna feel mighty satisfied :lol: ). <...> Even if there was no furrydumb, Biohazard would still be doing this stuff.

I don't mean to be obnoxious, maybe I'm missing the grand hilarious joke or something, but how is this satire?

From Mirriam-Webster:
Satire:
1 : a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn
2 : trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly

How is this priceless gem a literary masterpeice of trenchant wit and irony? It looks like a whole lot of the other random furry porn thats floating around out there... I mean, yeah it sure is a lollercoaster of hilarity to draw slobberingly explicit Lola Bunny porn and.. .. No, wait.. No it actually isn't. Its just weird and disturbing.

And the only people he'd be getting into an uproar are people who I guess just don't take kindly to seeing their often-quoted cartoon buddies pinky and the brain in bondage gear.. It's like taking a dump on someone's picture of their beloved aunt and then getting giggly when they get upset.

The only thing funny about this is that it is an excellent example of how fucking weird some stuff is on the internet. And your points about how he doesnt get into furry politics and thus a stand-up guy are completely irrelevant. I'd rather have a hundred more loudmouth goofy fanboys drama-ing up their livejournals (comedy) than having this generic drippy anthroporn (not comedy) as a shining example of furry art (And it is easily classifiable as furry art. It meets the qualifications and is even hosted on a furry server)

I'm going to go out on a radical limb of wild guessing and say that this is just wank material, and he tells people its "satire" when they get fussy.

And seriously man, what is your hangup with Ebonyleopard? He doesnt draw ALF SMUT for christ sakes. Whatever evil thing he said about you back in 1992 or whatever, LET IT GO.

Michael Hirtes · Needs to get out more Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 820

And seriously man, what is your hangup with Ebonyleopard?

I guess you've been on a UFO these past few months and don't get much CYD out there on Glarxx'thul 7, do you?

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 183

I guess you've been on a UFO these past few months and don't get much CYD out there on Glarxx'thul 7, do you?

Hehehe.. OK, Professor, guess so! I'm just going to pretend that he *actually* did something bad to you to get you in a fiery rage and leave it at that. To me he just seems like a casual troller, but again I'm probably missing something.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

Some guys have all the luck

Some guys have all the pain

Some guys get all the breaks

Some guys do nothing but complain

Ah-woo-ohh-ohh-hoo, hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo.

In all honesty, I think this is how Hirtes allows himself to still jerk off to it, if it's satire, or not 'run of the mill pr0n', it's perfectly safe.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

Um, I know this may not earn me any brownie points with CYD, but I can vouch for Biohaz. He's not a furry. I've known him for years and I haven't seen a furry bone in his body. He doesn't take part in the type of fanboi politik of the type that retards like Ebony Leopard or ol Sqeakumz wallow in. He just gets a kick out of drawing some really eye-watering satire and out of the uproar it gets out of people when they see it.

I'll take your word that this guy's not a furry. Not important anyway. And it's perfectly possible that he draws these pics because he enjoys people's reactions to them. But as subversive pointed out... it isn't satire by any meaning of the word. Now, "satire" (as in "fair use") is the defense furries try to use when getting called on their copyright infringing wank pics of Lola Bunny sucking cock. Intent on Biohazard's part aside... how exactly do his pics differ from so much furry wank material on the net?

PS: who's "ol Sqeakumz"?

Michael Hirtes · Needs to get out more Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 820

Some guys have all the luck

Some guys have all the pain

Some guys get all the breaks

Some guys do nothing but complain

Ah-woo-ohh-ohh-hoo, hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo.

In all honesty, I think this is how Hirtes allows himself to still jerk off to it, if it's satire, or not 'run of the mill pr0n', it's perfectly safe.

Whatever. Unless you have any proof that I'm pullin the pickle to this, all you are is full of shit.

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

I suppose I could take the statement that Biohazard is not a furry, but for a man who has a bajillion erotic mice pics, plus pics of other anthro characters, it's going to take a while to convince me that this man is if not a furry then at least has the tendancies of one.

After all, if you were to tell me that this artist is not a furry, I could take this image and easily say "Well you sure had me fooled".

There isn't an individual alive who draws this much smut featuring funny animals without getting off on it.

Computolio · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 865

Um, Hirtes?

The fucker drew SAM & MAX PORN.

NOT forgiveable.

Michael Hirtes · Needs to get out more Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 820

Um, Hirtes?

The fucker drew SAM & MAX PORN.

Couldn't be any worse than the way Lucasfilm treated the characters.

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1192

rather have a hundred more loudmouth goofy fanboys drama-ing up their livejournals (comedy) than having this generic drippy anthroporn (not comedy) as a shining example of furry art (And it is easily classifiable as furry art. It meets the qualifications and is even hosted on a furry server)

Well Im pretty sure the guy is definatly 'a furry' the only reason I seen his gallery there was because he posted a holiday picture to F.A.E. and he had his homepage linked in his signature. And the furry hosted homepage.. oh yeah, and the mostly cartoon animal porn.

And the only people he'd be getting into an uproar are people who I guess just don't take kindly to seeing their often-quoted cartoon buddies pinky and the brain in bondage gear.. It's like taking a dump on someone's picture of their beloved aunt and then getting giggly when they get upset.

<...>

I'm going to go out on a radical limb of wild guessing and say that this is just wank material, and he tells people its "satire" when they get fussy.

Satire was probably the wrong word.. but the pics are obviously designed to piss off people no matter how erotic. At least a llittle bit. The choice of cartoons - IOW ones that typically arn't chosen (...fucking... ALF ?!?! ). Quite a few of them have a corporate logos, trademarks or product in the image somewhere. (Im talking completely outside of the characters, also). For Example, the Crow picture, that symbol at the ..ahem... tip - is Westinghouse's logo. Where's the joke ? There isnt one, not in the sense that there is anything funny about Westinghouse or that its relevant to the picture at all (other than maybe by the largest stretches of the imagination, unless its some inside joke. I doubt it). Its pretty obvious the guy is trying to bring a lawsuit or some sort of cease and desist shit storm down. Which is goddamn funny you gotta admit. Some of the pics you'd think it was some consumer fetish in and of itself.

biohazard · Qualificator Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 3

Hi folks! Nice to see that everyone's still talking about my work after so many years of limited output. As for some of the issues recently discussed:

Backgrounds and props have always been important to me. Most artists seem to fill their settings with bland, generic furnishings, and I prefer classic, recognizable objects; usually Bauhaus styles and '50s-'60s Moderne and Herman Miller. (My house is full of a lot of that crap; mostly knockoffs, 'cause I can't afford the real thing.)

Computolio, you may be interested to know that my characters Alice and Bob were inspired (left-handedly) by The Secret of NIMH; I had cared for several white rats in my early years, and I was tired of seeing cartoon depictions that looked NOTHING like the real thing (facially, anyway). The bow on Alice's head can be traced directly to Teresa Brisby's.

Although I do get a bit of a sophmoric, Howard Sternesque kick out of the way some people are upset by my material, my main goal is still to be funny and/or arousing. When I first posted my Family Guy pics to a.b.p.e.c., every one of the 40-or-so e-mails I received was positive, which always thrills me more than outraged complaints. (I still have a pretty low opinion of my own artistic ability, and I need all the encouragement I can get.)

Concerning "wasting my talent" drawing cartoon porn...what can I say; pornography is my obsession. I have a collection of over 1000 erotic books, comics and magazines + several hundred videos and DVDs. Soft core, hardcore, straight, gay; from tentacle hentai to those old '20s stag-reels with the black socks and garters. And I love animation as much as I love porn. Since I'm no good at drawing realistic humans, cartoon characters are really my only option. Remember, folks, smut is a worldwide multi-billion-trillion dollar industry*; let's all jump on the spooge bandwagon and try to put a dent in it.** (Plus, it makes the Muslims and Christians mad, which is always a good thing....OR IS IT?)

As to whether or not I'm a "furry", that's for you to know and me to find out. I've never been involved in the fandom (except as a market for my folios and commissions), but I will admit that I do have some issues of Omaha with the pages stuck together.

Finally, just wanted to let you all know that I'm working on a new Alice and Bob CD portfolio which will be available this summer at my website, biohazardgraphics.com.

PS (returning to the subject of copyright infringements) I have a large series of Duck Dodgers porn coming soon to a.b.n.t, as well as some Drawn Together material. Watch for THAT.

I'm right naive, me; but happy.

*"The O'Reilly Factor", some day or other.
**Mayor Tommy Shanks, paraphrased.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

In the grand scheme of things, if you're taking the time to Photoshop ALF smut... and do a good job of it... it doesn't really matter if you're furry or not. You still lose cuz you did it.

I'd almost say you lose even bigger if you're drawing anthro porn, and NOT furry.

"He drew Jar Jar Binks porn cuz he's a furry. What's your excuse for photoshopping ALF with a creme horn dong?" :)

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

I demand your address, biohazard. I need somewhere to send my therapist bills.

Honestly, I couldn't tell if it wigged me out because the things I saw you made were more absurd.. or just so mind-bendingly... wrong.

At any rate, thanks for clearing things up. To a point.

Computolio · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 865

Well, I do appreciate your honesty in spite of the fact that we were all GAAH ALF PORN GROSS, and uh, I guess some people have to JARK OFF somehow. But the thing is, you've picked subject matter that tends to totally mind-rape everyone who um, isn't you.

I mean, it has been said countless times that somewhere on the internet there is somebody who masturbates to EVERYTHING, and I have to hand it to you for taking the heat (from being said someone) like a champ. So has pissing people off in this way become part of the allure of this stuff or is it just an amusing side-effect?

Rural Pimp · Rasophore Joined: 25 Dec 2004 Posts: 70

Satire was probably the wrong word.. but the pics are obviously designed to piss off people no matter how erotic. At least a llittle bit. The choice of cartoons - IOW ones that typically arn't chosen (...fucking... ALF ?!?! ). Quite a few of them have a corporate logos, trademarks or product in the image somewhere. (Im talking completely outside of the characters, also). For Example, the Crow picture, that symbol at the ..ahem... tip - is Westinghouse's logo. Where's the joke ? There isnt one, not in the sense that there is anything funny about Westinghouse or that its relevant to the picture at all (other than maybe by the largest stretches of the imagination, unless its some inside joke. I doubt it). Its pretty obvious the guy is trying to bring a lawsuit or some sort of cease and desist shit storm down. Which is goddamn funny you gotta admit. Some of the pics you'd think it was some consumer fetish in and of itself.

It most definitely not satire, in fact it is just vandalism of intellectual property.

aimore · Qualificator Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 12

WOOOOW. these furry Sexual things are out of control. Nothing escape from that....... I think: Nowadays childhood FINISHES at 5 years-old, it's too precocious but in Brazil, poor Child have no childhood.

SOS SOS SOS SOS

RED ALERT RED ALERT

It's GROWING.........
GROWING
GROWING
GROOOOOOOOWING

I remind you: I never was a furry, pleasseessssessssssssssssssssss

Sorry for these capitals. I was wrathful.

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

It's GROWING.........
GROWING
GROWING
GROOOOOOOOWING

Considering the fact that we we're discussing a site with a large plethora of adult art, that phrase could sooo be taken out of context. :twisted:

Computolio · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 865

OH, HE'S GROOOOOWING
SO MUCH
SO STRONG
HE'S GONNA GO GET HIMSELF SOME JUSTICE

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

I'm finding it difficult to get angry at this man, who types pseudo-intellegently (for a furry, regardles if he uses one or two hands) and who doesn't claim we're anti-christs whom only want to rape his sole.

That is, until I see Lois and Brian going at it.

Perhaps this really isn't such a bad thing. I mean, if furries see this and don't get bent out of shape for actual copyright infringment, maybe they'll stop bitching when their own shit is copied.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

...they'll stop bitching when their own shit is copied.

Who's characters are loose ripoffs of Sonic, Balto, SwatKats, Tiny Toons, et al? Have you learned NOTHING?

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

I am sorry for the insolence master.

Biohazard, you're still a sick sick fuck. Nobody needs that much fucking porn. Nobody needs to make alf porn. In fact, you're barely above the dreaded winger.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Timing is definitely everything.. the fact that my last post appears after Bio's kinda makes it look like I'm chewing him out despite his fairly level-headed response. I'll state up-front that wasn't the intent.

I do stand by the idea that.. furry or not... you lose at the Internet when you're drawing ALF porn. But, I certainly won't burn the guy at the stake for it. I won't crucify him for the execution of such material, but I'll give him hash for the very concept of it. :D

Computolio, you may be interested to know that my characters Alice and Bob were inspired (left-handedly) by The Secret of NIMH; I had cared for several white rats in my early years, and I was tired of seeing cartoon depictions that looked NOTHING like the real thing (facially, anyway). The bow on Alice's head can be traced directly to Teresa Brisby's.

I thought it was kind of to tell them apart, aside from anatomy. Not to sound like I'm ripping here, but your own characters all look a lot alike. Without the dongs and pussies, the rats look almost the same aside from the bow. I figured it was to say "Dis is teh gurl!" :)

Although I do get a bit of a sophmoric, Howard Sternesque kick out of the way some people are upset by my material, my main goal is still to be funny and/or arousing. When I first posted my Family Guy pics to a.b.p.e.c., every one of the 40-or-so e-mails I received was positive, which always thrills me more than outraged complaints.

Heh.. well, it is an alt.binaries group we're talking about. I mean, fer Pete's sake... that's a group where people have asked for King of the Hill porn. I dunno about anyone else, but wanting to see Peggy Hill bent over a second-hand couch doesn't exactly qualify one for having a grand sense of taste.

In Bio's defense, though, there was allusion to the whole Brian/Lois thing in an episode of Family Guy when he was piddling because he was in love with her. She briefly impled she'd have to be REALLY drunk to do anything with him, then quickly retracted that statement. So, this is somewhat dismissable in that he's just working with what McFarlane had already set the stage for. Honestly, I bet McFarlane would think it a hoot.

(I still have a pretty low opinion of my own artistic ability, and I need all the encouragement I can get.)

For my own two cents, your style is nice and crisp with good color.. but excessively rigid and unnatural. The poses look forced. Even if the idea of ALF or RML porn didn't simply make me go, "Uh.... okkkaaaaayyyyyy," the whole thing is too static and cold to even approach arousing. That's just my own opinion, though.

Concerning "wasting my talent" drawing cartoon porn...what can I say; pornography is my obsession. I have a collection of over 1000 erotic books, comics and magazines + several hundred videos and DVDs. Soft core, hardcore, straight, gay; from tentacle hentai to those old '20s stag-reels with the black socks and garters. And I love animation as much as I love porn. Since I'm no good at drawing realistic humans, cartoon characters are really my only option. Remember, folks, smut is a worldwide multi-billion-trillion dollar industry*; let's all jump on the spooge bandwagon and try to put a dent in it.**

Well, if your attitude is pirating other's characters into your own work and, while making them recognizable, depicting them in rather stiff and therefore unemotional pornographic images is your only hope of achieving artistic merit, then you're not likely to develop your talent any further than it exists now. The only reason a person can't draw decent humans is simply because they haven't worked at it.

It's hard to say a person is "wasting" their skill if they're doing what they want to do. But, if they're stuck in a rut because they don't think they have any place else to go... it's time to break the mold and maybe take a few classes or something. But, like many things, you have to want to do it for yourself.. and basking in the accolades showered upon you by the sheer fact that you're giving a few people less talented than yourself the cartoon characters they've wanted to see in porn.. rather than pursuing different kinds of art on your own merit.. isn't going to really motivate a person to push the envelope of their skill and style.

And, porn is great and all... but, dude.. get a girlfriend.. or boyfriend.. or at least a Playstation. Erotic works can be often appreciated from an aesthetic point.. but if you're hording tons of porno mags, videos, and DVDs, I'd wager the porn is simply filling a void that needs to be filled with contact with real people and all. Join some clubs. Take some continuing ed classes or something. Porn, like food or booze, is great in moderation, but an obsession with it indicates something is wrong mentally or emotionally.

As to whether or not I'm a "furry", that's for you to know and me to find out. I've never been involved in the fandom (except as a market for my folios and commissions), but I will admit that I do have some issues of Omaha with the pages stuck together.

I mean this mostly good-naturedly but..really.. if you've got the marks of a furry (anthro porn, the old "I can't draw humans" schtick, etc.) and you're not a furry.... that's almost........ sadder. :shock:

Ah well, thanks for sharing your side.

Michael Hirtes · Needs to get out more Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 820

Heh.. well, it is an alt.binaries group we're talking about. I mean, fer Pete's sake... that's a group where people have asked for King of the Hill porn. I dunno about anyone else, but wanting to see Peggy Hill bent over a second-hand couch doesn't exactly qualify one for having a grand sense of taste.

I've found out from personal experience that to buzzkill someone's penchant for a certain cartoon character in a porn situation is to provide said pr0n drawn by the creator himself. One such example was some guy who posted up some porno drawings of Mrs. Oblong (from "The OBlongs", duh!) and asked for more. Little did the guy know that Angus Oblong himself has a gallery which has included a bunch of drawings of his characters being nekkid (and being Angus Oblong, you imagine what sort of depravity that sick fucker had them doing). I posted the pics onto the group, and that seemed to have been the final end to anyone asking or posting any Oblongs porn after that. Talk about aversion therapy from Hell.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

...Angus Oblong himself has a gallery which has included a bunch of drawings of his characters being nekkid (and being Angus Oblong, you imagine what sort of depravity that sick fucker had them doing).

Oddly, I still enjoy 'The Oblongs', and his works, despite this..

Sulu... warped factor... "I HATE GEEKDOM"

...I also hate Star *, too.

aimore · Qualificator Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 12

Sorry for my fault putting capitals and huge letters.
I was wrathful when I saw copyrighted works being violated.

biohazard · Qualificator Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 3

I thought it was kind of to tell them apart, aside from anatomy. Not to sound like I'm ripping here, but your own characters all look a lot alike. Without the dongs and pussies, the rats look almost the same aside from the bow. I figured it was to say "Dis is teh gurl!" :)

That was a factor as well. Here's a little history fer ya; when I created Alice and Bob back in the early '80s, they were two (fairly) naturally proportioned Rattus norvegicus who happened to be bipedal (which is why Alice had no tits); over the years their bodies underwent a gradual mutation into the adolescent Bugs Bunnyish form they have now. Anyway, my first public A&B works were gouache and acrylic paintings which I donated to my local PBS station's "Gallery 33" on-air art auction. (Their names were inspired by "Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice"; not the film, but a color photograph of four unlabeled laundry detergent bottles lying beside a pool which I purchased from the auction in the late '70s.) I wasn't sure if I could get away with works featuring visible genitalia, so in the first pictures I always kept Bob's groin out of view; the bow did help to differentiate the two. As the years went by, I started going further with both Bob's junk and the explicitness of the poses (although Bob's penis, when visible, was only in a flaccid state); the paintings always sold well, although WITF consigned them to late-night showings. I even managed to snag a Judge's Citation award in 1988, and was later given a personal tour of the station by Mike Greenwald, the general manager. Finally, in 1994 I went TOO FAR (at least in the opinion of several elderly viewers), and complaints were phoned in; the rest of my works were pulled and returned to me, and I was told that no more genitalia would be permitted and the poses would have to be toned down. This pissed me off royally (especially considering that year's works were no more outre than previous offerings), and I never donated again; however, my activities live on to this day as an addendum to the Gallery 33 brochure*. Here endeth the lesson.

For my own two cents, your style is nice and crisp with good color.. but excessively rigid and unnatural. The poses look forced. Even if the idea of ALF or RML porn didn't simply make me go, "Uh.... okkkaaaaayyyyyy," the whole thing is too static and cold to even approach arousing. That's just my own opinion, though.

That is (somewhat) by design. I've long had an affinity for the stilted, sterile, highly stylized poses and settings of '20s and '30s modernism, especially the bombastic public statuary of guys like Paul Manship and Arno Breker. Those early TV paintings were very Art Deco-y, with black backgrounds and flat compositions ripped off from Erté. (Of course, that still reads like an excuse for lack of ability.) As for formal training: after high school I narrowed my college choices down to an art or technical major; I thought back to the conflicts with my grade school art teacher Mrs. Partymiller, and chose the latter. I ended up with a Design Drafting degree, and have spent the greater part of the last 20 years creating upper-middle-class kitchens and bathrooms. Which might help to explain the stiffness.

*"The WITF Art Advisory Committee reserves the right to withhold from presentation those works deemed inappropriate for Gallery 33. The art auction is broadcast to a family audience; it is an occasion to make friends and raise funds for the station, and not for creating controversy."

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1192

Anyway, my first public A&B works were gouache and acrylic paintings which I donated to my local PBS station's "Gallery 33" on-air art auction.

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the paintings always sold well, although WITF consigned them to late-night showings. I even managed to snag a Judge's Citation award in 1988, and was later given a personal tour of the station by Mike Greenwald, the general manager. Finally, in 1994 I went TOO FAR (at least in the opinion of several elderly viewers), and complaints were phoned in; the rest of my works were pulled and returned to me, and I was told that no more genitalia would be permitted and the poses would have to be toned down. This pissed me off royally (especially considering that year's works were no more outre than previous offerings), and I never donated again; however, my activities live on to this day as an addendum to the Gallery 33 brochure*. Here endeth the lesson.

hahaha, thats pretty fucking cool, actually !

Ill probably buy your Alice & Bob CD when you start selling it

:shock:

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 658

Anyway, my first public A&B works were gouache and acrylic paintings which I donated to my local PBS station's "Gallery 33" on-air art auction. (Their names were inspired by "Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice"; not the film, but a color photograph of four unlabeled laundry detergent bottles lying beside a pool which I purchased from the auction in the late '70s.) I wasn't sure if I could get away with works featuring visible genitalia, so in the first pictures I always kept Bob's groin out of view; the bow did help to differentiate the two. As the years went by, I started going further with both Bob's junk and the explicitness of the poses (although Bob's penis, when visible, was only in a flaccid state); the paintings always sold well, although WITF consigned them to late-night showings. I even managed to snag a Judge's Citation award in 1988, and was later given a personal tour of the station by Mike Greenwald, the general manager. Finally, in 1994 I went TOO FAR (at least in the opinion of several elderly viewers), and complaints were phoned in; the rest of my works were pulled and returned to me, and I was told that no more genitalia would be permitted and the poses would have to be toned down. This pissed me off royally (especially considering that year's works were no more outre than previous offerings), and I never donated again; however, my activities live on to this day as an addendum to the Gallery 33 brochure*. Here endeth the lesson.

Let's hear more about these auctioned paintings. Do you have any photos of them? I'm cracking up at the thought of them gradually getting more and more explicit until one fine day someone goes "OMFG! This... rat has a boner!"

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

Let's hear more about these auctioned paintings. Do you have any photos of them? I'm cracking up at the thought of them gradually getting more and more explicit until one fine day someone goes "OMFG! This... rat has a boner!"

This is entirely off-topic, but will you hit me up on AIM or something. I want to chat with you about stuff.

Dr. Dos · Vociferator Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 718

somebody's getting an Alf porn commission!

biohazard · Qualificator Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 3

Let's hear more about these auctioned paintings. Do you have any photos of them? I'm cracking up at the thought of them gradually getting more and more explicit until one fine day someone goes "OMFG! This... rat has a boner!"

No, that's what pissed me off! There were never any erections or penetrations visible; it was all 12-certificate stuff. Here's some of the works, in no particular order:

http://www.mindspring.com/~biohazard/gallery33/

There's a few non-sexual paintings in here as well...very cheesy "satirical" stuff mocking PETA, Rush Limbaugh etc.

(I apologize for the photos; non-professional photographer + pre-digital camera + cheap-ass slide scanner)

Sixtail · Coadjutor Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 93

Bio, I must say I've allways liked your work and wondered what you were up to after not seeing much from you from the time I fell into furry (97) till now.
Allright, with that aside..

I also like the fact that somewhere I remember finding some nameless furry's page of angst and some of the porn you did (I think it's Swatkats) caused him a nervous breakdown he said. You've got skills.

Bravo. I also like the Rush painting even though I'm a dittohead. So who would Al Franken be?

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Well, I can kind of see how they might decide they don't want to include stuff like that. It's not explicit per se, but it is anthro rats in sexual situations. That's not exactly the kind of thing most people are going to have a good impression of. I can see how around the '80s and early '90s they might sell, since that was the whole Miami Vice era and erotic artwork like that of Nagel or Olivia was pretty popular. Still, the anthro element kind of puts it outside the realm of even many people that would otherwise purchase a Nagel or such. For those aren't squicked by the depiction of cartoon rats in sexual poses, it's probably viewed, at most, as being akin to Maplethorpe recreating "Dogs Playing Poker."

As the general populace continues to become more easily offended and inclinded to take action under the inflated notion of acting for the "common good," it's unsurprising that semi-explicit poses + anthro rats comes under fire or, at least, is dismissed under the idea of, "Yeah, it's artistic, but is it really art?" Some of them, like the "Blood and Fire" one, are remniscient of the "Sitting Duck" paintings of Michael Bedard... with the theme being comedic, and the anthro element making it kind of offbeat cartoonishness. I think where the more mature pics fall short, however, is that they're too blatant. You can see even Bedard makes some racy jokes with his pictures, but they're low-key. You have to look at them a moment to let the joke fully sink in. Even the image of the two ducks in bed simply implies what happened. IMO, it may not be the idea of rats having sex that is really tripping you up, but that the pictures lack subtlety. Rather than merely implying what is going on.. or has happened.. as the bioart20.jpg image does.. or even bioart02.jpg... the more explicit (even if not **explicit**) nature of many of the images are, at worst, offensive to the bluehair crowd and, at best, somewhat lowbrow to others.

Just a theory...

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

http://www.mindspring.com/~biohazard/gallery33/

I think I like a couple of these better than your newer stuff (although I like your newer stuff too). Or perhaps I should say I'd be more comfortable hanging something like this on my wall as opposed to this.

Michael Hirtes · Needs to get out more Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 820

Let's hear more about these auctioned paintings. Do you have any photos of them? I'm cracking up at the thought of them gradually getting more and more explicit until one fine day someone goes "OMFG! This... rat has a boner!"

No, that's what pissed me off! There were never any erections or penetrations visible; it was all 12-certificate stuff. Here's some of the works, in no particular order:

http://www.mindspring.com/~biohazard/gallery33/

There's a few non-sexual paintings in here as well...very cheesy "satirical" stuff mocking PETA, Rush Limbaugh etc.

(I apologize for the photos; non-professional photographer + pre-digital camera + cheap-ass slide scanner)

Sigh. All we get when watching Iowa public TV during it's donations drives are an occasional appearence by Pat McKenna in his Harold Green getup and a phone bank manned by dozens of Dr. Who fans with their long scarves.

I guess it's not a bad thing with the DW fans. Can you imagine what it would be like if a bunch of fursuiters went to the station to do that, and insisted they wear their suit heads the whole time?

Fursuiter: "mwuh hoe?"

Caller: "Excuse me?"

Fursuiter: "whuhr?"

Caller: "Hello? Can you hear me?"

Fursuiter: "ohm swolluh, ah cawndeer wouh."

Caller: "What?"

Fursuiter: "Wanna yiff?"

*click*

Fursuiter: "mwuh hoe? mhuh hoe?"

Computolio · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 865

http://www.mindspring.com/~biohazard/gallery33/

There's a few non-sexual paintings in here as well...very cheesy "satirical" stuff mocking PETA, Rush Limbaugh etc.

(I apologize for the photos; non-professional photographer + pre-digital camera + cheap-ass slide scanner)

I do have to thank you for documenting your slow slide into insanity. A glimpse into stuff like this made before there was an internet is always valuable and greatly appreciated.

But still, though... I just don't understand how you didn't think some of theose pictures would seriously freak people out.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I don't see it so much as freaking folks out.. except for the Helen Lovejoys of the world ("Oh, won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!").. as most just looking at it and saying "Er, yeah." Putting the whole "art is in the eye of the beholder" arguement aside, rats fucking -- regardless of stylistic inspiration from bauhaus art or such -- is going to be seen by most people as about as artistic as "Dogs Playing Poker."

One of the issues I see is that we're looking at a very, very narrow focus of artistic development here. Of course, we haven't been shown any of bio's work that doesn't involve anthros -- predominantly screwing ones. My impression of bio's work is that he's hit a "happy place" with the industrialized fucking rats and some of his comments, such as the admission of his limited ability to draw humans and resulting penchant for drawing the rats, convey to me a lack of desire.. or willingness to invest the effort.. to really branch out into forms of artistic expression other than two semi-androgynous rats knocking boots. As such, it seems to me he's pinned himself into a rut where the limited focus on his two characters, combined with the admitted love of porn and resulting escalation in the explicitness of his works, puts him on a track where the auctioneers' response of asking him to tone it down and returning his stuff wasn't a matter of if, but when it would happen.

He definitely has a good sense of page layout and design. The colors are typically harmonious and provide a balance on the page while incorporating enough color to keep the work vibrant. Whether this is a product of his intentions, or the rut I perceive him to be in I can't say. It could be he has a good sense of color balance which shows through in all of his works... or it could be that he has limited his subject material and color palette by sheer repetition and, therefore, is relatively incapable of breaking his own mold and doing something different. Since all we see is what he's offered (I poked around the rest of the site.. not much else that appears to be his other than this (NSFW)), that's all I can really go on. Maybe he does those Precious Moments kids on the side or something, I dunno. But, from what we've seen of his offerings, I can only come to the personal conclusion that, while he's a skilled draftsman and appears to have a good handle with color, his art lacks diversity and expression. It has all the "artistry" of a CAD diagram of an HVAC system. It's artistic, but would most really view it as "art?"

That, IMO, is more the issue than his shock factor. It's not like we're seeing dicknippled hermtaurs or foxes shitting on each other (sorry.. couldn't resist :)). Most of it looks like the kind of thing that would primarily offend people that are offended by any display of sexuality.. the kind of folks that fainted in shock when they finally took the fig leaf off of Michelangelo's David. For the bulk of the remaining population, I think the depiction of stiffly-drawn rats screwing in pictures that, while well-done from a page layout standpoint, appear to be trying too hard to mimic the feel of something Warhol or Nagelesque, I think it's going to be largely dismissed as pretty bourgeois... like Elvis on black velvet or sad clowns. When you start upping the ante with more explicit imagery, it's probably going to be viewed more as increasingly lowbrow, rather than erotic modernist cartoon art or something. In the end, it just gets more and more furry.

Maybe it's time to put the rats and dicks aside and branch out into something fresh... something challenging. I hear folks have had good results with Campbell's soup cans. :)

SquareMoogle · Vociferator Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 357

Which reminds me, I have the Christmas Critters episode of Soutpark, any suggestions on codecs / distribution methods? :)

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 183

Which reminds me, I have the Christmas Critters episode of Soutpark, any suggestions on codecs / distribution methods? :)

The wanderings of a thread here..

1. Xydexx brays all over livejournal.
2. Obligatory SA/POE reference relating to Xydexx.
3. Con/furmeet story relating to SA
4. Animated video relating to a furmeet.
5. A fat person is spotted.
6. Mitch tries to get the thread back on track, noting Xydexx is still blathering incohernetly about imaginary SA goons.
7. Mitch's attempt fails, a scary fursuit is spotted.
8. Spontanious discussion about proper backup methods for fonts.
9. Now we're back. Xydexx is pointed out again.
10. A Mexican in a festive hat and MST3K's Crow with a strap-on dildo are entered into evidence.
11. Investigation of the dildo reveals a treasure-trove of Innocent-memory rapery. The Internet is nearly burned down in a forum riot. Somewhere Xydexx is circling ads for inflatable pool toys.
12. M Hirtes randomly jumps into the riot saying the Innocent-memory rapist is actually a fine upstanding citizen who doesn't molest cattle.
13. Doubts are voiced.
14. Innocent-memory-rapist suddenly appears, pleads his case and is judged to be an artist now. He was on PBS and everything.
15. Song breaks out.
16. Finer points are debated with the new artist because he actually stays on topic. :)
17. ADHD strikes again. Everyone wanders off to watch illegal copies of South Park.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

The forums, in a nutshell.

The forums have degenerated to this rate long ago. Mitch tried to circumvent this by creating the "Off Topic" area. I've made a point to usually try to post more on-topic, and create less 'bullshit' threads. Sadly, nothing seems to help this downward spiral.

There's not much you can do about it - My thread regarding this subject has either been ignored, played down, or blatantly told to stop bitching.

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1192

The forums, in a nutshell.

The forums have degenerated to this rate long ago. Mitch tried to circumvent this by creating the "Off Topic" area. I've made a point to usually try to post more on-topic, and create less 'bullshit' threads. Sadly, nothing seems to help this downward spiral.

I kind of like that aspect of these forums, myself.

Its not like topic drift is the end of the world. In case of this thread, its wound up more interesting. How much is there to say about yet another Xydexx seizure ?

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 183

I kind of like that aspect of these forums, myself.

No, I agree. Though I can never remember what is being discussed in each thread on a new visit, since the titles don't give you a hint. :) I always have ot review.

Other than that, yeah.. it does keep things interesting.

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1192

I kind of like that aspect of these forums, myself.

No, I agree. Though I can never remember what is being discussed in each thread on a new visit, since the titles don't give you a hint. :) I always have ot review.

As do I

robot717 · Qualificator Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 26

Squeakypony?

Never mind,I probably don't want to know.

Xydexx fucks pool toys and fantasizes about being an inflatable horse.

I was right.I didn't want to know.

I still have problems believing a lot of these people I see discussed here are real.I just can't see how these people could act as they supposedly do and still function in the real world.Anyone who sees a Care Bear as a viable love interest probably wouldn't have the mental capacity to pay bills and buy groceries and other things neccessarry for survival.

But if they are real and not just pulling your chains,you seriously need to lay off them for claiming not to be human.They're right.They aren't human.Humans would have the common sense to realize you don't go around sticking your dicks in Pound Puppies.Humans would know that they are meant to fuck other humans not dogs and horses.I don't know what these people are but I'd hate to think they share the same species as me.

bobby · Prattler Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 167

Christ there was a whole thread about this?

Hi I'm squnq. :P

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

Hi I'm squnq. :P

No shit. :roll:

bobby · Prattler Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 167

Hi I'm squnq. :P

No shit. :roll:

Hi Rankin. :)

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

Hi Rankin. :)

'sup, Bobby? :twisted:

bobby · Prattler Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 167

'sup, Bobby? :twisted:

Nammuch. Internetting and distributing horrific videos of Icey Kitsune shooting condom-wrapped beanie babies out of his ass.

Iconoclastic · Vociferator Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 338

I love how he put the copyright notice on the Crow T Robot smut. I'm sure Best Brains really appreciates that!

It reminds me of the time I jokingly posted to the Bot Building list that I need help assembling a "lady pleaser" version of crow. Turns out, someone already did :lol:

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

Nothing, and I mean nothing, is sacred when Crow T Robot is turned into a sex object. Everyone knows Tom Servo is the real babe. =)

Yucky.